Why do theologians say the USA isn't mentioned in prophecy? See Rev 12
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All I did was demonstrate just how much and how our Father has given us to understand the nations at end times.
Now, concerning prophecy and dthe Word, I await understanding from the Holy Spirit. At present I have awaited much for a half century without speculating on just how important one nation is over another…...……..enjoy your study and always wait on the Lord. God bless you.
Now, concerning prophecy and dthe Word, I await understanding from the Holy Spirit. At present I have awaited much for a half century without speculating on just how important one nation is over another…...……..enjoy your study and always wait on the Lord. God bless you.
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Angela53510 said: "If it is mentioned, show us where! Then we can exegete the passage and discuss it!"
After reviewing your remarks on this thread my previous offer to share links with you is withdrawn.
After reviewing your remarks on this thread my previous offer to share links with you is withdrawn.
That would be really S-T-R-E-T-C-H-I-N-G it.
Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
SHEBA ---> LOCATED IN ARABIA
DEDAN ----> LOCATED IN ARABIA
TARSHISH -----> LOCATED IN EITHER SOUTHERN SPAIN OR TURKEY
Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
SHEBA ---> LOCATED IN ARABIA
DEDAN ----> LOCATED IN ARABIA
TARSHISH -----> LOCATED IN EITHER SOUTHERN SPAIN OR TURKEY
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no, not those. one of the young lions of Tarshish.
how that interpretation goes, is that Tarshish, the lion seafaring merchant power, is identified with England, the lion seafaring merchant power, and her young lions, with the colonial nations that sprang from her.
you've never heard that before?
and how it may play out is that, Russia/Iran invades and threatens Israel, and the UN passes a resolution condemning it, but doesn't actually take any action. notice in the scripture, these nations spoken of in v. 13 make some noise and complain - but no one actually intervenes.
not saying i'm married to this interpretation, just mentioned it because it's the most plausible example of the USA actually being mentioned in scripture i know of.
how that interpretation goes, is that Tarshish, the lion seafaring merchant power, is identified with England, the lion seafaring merchant power, and her young lions, with the colonial nations that sprang from her.
you've never heard that before?
and how it may play out is that, Russia/Iran invades and threatens Israel, and the UN passes a resolution condemning it, but doesn't actually take any action. notice in the scripture, these nations spoken of in v. 13 make some noise and complain - but no one actually intervenes.
not saying i'm married to this interpretation, just mentioned it because it's the most plausible example of the USA actually being mentioned in scripture i know of.
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1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Interesting, creating... but can you make any further connections to the USA?
Instead:
I see that there are two women in Revelation 12:
Rev 12:5 "She gave birth to a son, a male child"
Rev 12:13 "the woman who had given birth to the male child.
A male child is Joseph, son of Rachel.
The male child is Jesus, son of Mary.
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I see that there are two women in Revelation 12:
Rev 12:5 "She gave birth to a son, a male child"
Rev 12:13 "the woman who had given birth to the male child.
A male child is Joseph, son of Rachel.
The male child is Jesus, son of Mary.
The land that is seen with the eye as rudiment of this corrupted creation are used as metaphors. The kingdom of God is not of this world never was never could be. We walk by faith the unseen
Like earthly Jerusalem as a shadow it represents the unseen bride of Christ the new Jerusalem not seen . All nations are used in that way.
The woman in Revelation 12 is the church or bride of Christ she is identified by a number no man could count 144,00O. The literal number is not revealed. We are not to number rather than walk by faith .
Like earthly Jerusalem as a shadow it represents the unseen bride of Christ the new Jerusalem not seen . All nations are used in that way.
The woman in Revelation 12 is the church or bride of Christ she is identified by a number no man could count 144,00O. The literal number is not revealed. We are not to number rather than walk by faith .
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You know I love you posts, most of the time. But this sounds like British-Israelism nonsense. Maybe not quite the same, but the same error!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
Definitely NOT a good support verse for America in the Bible!
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well it would be British Tarshish-ism, not Israelism. 
i don't think that position i described takes the British empire to literally be displaced descendants of Tarshish, like some 'lost tribes' nonsense, so much as a 'type' in the same way Revelation 11:8 calls Jerusalem 'spiritually' Sodom & Egypt. it's an attempt to make sense of of Ezekiel 38, a prophecy yet to take place, given that most of the nations mentioned in it are not around anymore under the names they are mentioned by in that chapter.
i'm not going to put much effort into defending it, because i'm not sold on it myself - just mentioned it because it's something iv'e heard before that seemed a lot more plausible than the OP as a reference to the USA in the Bible, however oblique it might be.
i don't think that position i described takes the British empire to literally be displaced descendants of Tarshish, like some 'lost tribes' nonsense, so much as a 'type' in the same way Revelation 11:8 calls Jerusalem 'spiritually' Sodom & Egypt. it's an attempt to make sense of of Ezekiel 38, a prophecy yet to take place, given that most of the nations mentioned in it are not around anymore under the names they are mentioned by in that chapter.
i'm not going to put much effort into defending it, because i'm not sold on it myself - just mentioned it because it's something iv'e heard before that seemed a lot more plausible than the OP as a reference to the USA in the Bible, however oblique it might be.
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is it better i actually post some interpretation, even if it's a weird one likely not right,
or is it better i make a handful of posts just to say 'i know the secret truth but i'm not going to tell' ?
@RickStudies
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