why i don't believe in hell and I've never been happier

[Timeline]

Indeed, grace isn't a license to sin, and to make such an accusation against grace or grace preachers shows the ignorance one has on the grace of God. "Sin shall not have dominion of you, for you are not under law but grace.''

Also, grace teaches us:

Titus 2:11-13

King James Version (KJV)

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

I think maybe you saw an accusation where there was not one. I was actually referring to the original post that said she was always worried about going to hell. I think that people can sometimes be rendered inactive because Satan puts fear into them that grace will not be enough to save their "great sins". They give up because they feel hopeless. I was not accusing anyone.

 

[didymos]

But based on facts.... never met Jesus, thousands of years ago a small number of people did.....you can't say God had infinite love....that wouldn't change no matter what happened....in that sense his love is not infinite

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, [SUP]5 [/SUP]who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. [SUP]6 [/SUP]In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. [SUP]7 [/SUP]These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, [SUP]9 [/SUP]for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

(1 Peter 1: 3-9)

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And Ben i understand the facts like you said but no religion can prove they are the right one, ours just not possible when its all faith

Christianity proves itself the only true religion for the fact it is based in Truth and Facts. This is something no other religion can claim today or throughout history.

Now it might be fairer for you to say you do not believe in Truth, but that doesn't change the Truth.

 

[laceylacey]

How is it based in truth and facts tho? What truth?

 

[laceylacey]

Past ac, tin tin I'm not trying to convert anyone I'm just staying what i believe.......everyone is trying to convert me.....just accept me.....if Jesus is real he would.....why can't you? Grow up

 

[BenFTW]

I think maybe you saw an accusation where there was not one. I was actually referring to the original post that said she was always worried about going to hell. I think that people can sometimes be rendered inactive because Satan puts fear into them that grace will not be enough to save their "great sins". They give up because they feel hopeless. I was not accusing anyone.

I was making an observation/point and also clarifying in case there was any form of accusation/misunderstanding (in regards to God's grace and/or my message to the OP). And, you're right, satan is considered to be the "Accuser of the brethren." He points to the Law to show us how we've fallen short, but we get to point to the cross and the finished work of Christ. We get to point to Jesus. Imagine the Word says the law or written ordinances were nailed to the cross, disarming principalities and powers.

 

[pastac]

How do you think twisting this to seek sympathy will make you look. Of Course Jesus love you and so do I. I just love you enough to tell you the truth. Jesus has a way that is mighty sweet but he's no pushover and I'm his son so I'm not either. I can be kind and loving and firm. But you first have to admit your flaws.You have a right to reject that truth as you do. I have a right to stand for it which I do. So who needs to grow up? You need to grow up in the understanding of the Jesus you speak of.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Look the fact is you are deluded your focus is augmentative from the word go. You start this wildfire then its starts burning you start screaming. No one is out of control but you. This is kingdom work not dumb work. did you get that?If you want to have an adult conversation on a Christian Chat site do it that's fine if not so be it. To have an adult conversation as an adult one has to think like and adult. To commit adultery one has to be and adultery Just a thought

Pastac, I know your passion for God is bigger than the stuff of earth.
But she shouldn't be called dumb
She's just misinformed.
She's searching for truth to correct that.
We should try to remember to deliver that truth with compassion.
No disrespect to you here, as I know I have to try to remember the same for myself at times when I feel God is being attacked or disrespected.
God bless brother.

 

[laceylacey]

Thank you thank you

 

[pastac]

Pastac, I know your passion for God is bigger than the stuff of earth.
But she shouldn't be called dumb
She's just misinformed.
She's searching for truth to correct that.
We should try to remember to deliver that truth with compassion.
No disrespect to you here, as I know I have to try to remember the same for myself at times when I feel God is being attacked or disrespected.
God bless brother.

Dumb means inability to speak keep it in context don't word play. Her inability to speak due to ignorance. I never called her dumb I alluded to the facts that her statements were.She is playing with words not me, Compassion comes at a price Did not Jesus when in the temple turn over tables and confront the dove sellers? She is only being confronted and compassion is really being used!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

How is it based in truth and facts tho? What truth?

Truth is what is true.

How the Bible and Christianity is based in Truth is enormous! We have hard archaeological and historical facts, and that's just the secular proofs. Then we have prophecies verified to have happened after their witing against insurmountable odds, which if the prophecies be true, and are proven true, therefore the one whom gives prophecies to the prophets, God, is also Truth. Even many miracles both in the Bible and in the times after the writing of the Bible, yea, even today, are very much verifiable.

One can only build Truth off of Truth. It may be fair to say we don't know everything, but agnosticism is not a possibility, it's an absurd religion. Just by knowing one thing is Truth then therefore agnosticism is not possible since agnosticism claims you cannot know.

I don't hate ye or nothing, so don't view this as an attack. My advice to you be leave the contradictory philosophy of agnosticism behind and come join the Christians if ye seek after Truth. You don't have to be all-knowing, you just have to know that you can know Truth and pursue the Truth and the Spirit of Truth is with Jesus, so start simple as one that wants to learn.

 

[laceylacey]

Jezzzx.now your attacking this guy, just chill

 

[pastac]

How do you think twisting this to seek sympathy will make you look. Of Course Jesus love you and so do I. I just love you enough to tell you the truth. Jesus has a way that is mighty sweet but he's no pushover and I'm his son so I'm not either. I can be kind and loving and firm. But you first have to admit your flaws.You have a right to reject that truth as you do. I have a right to stand for it which I do. So who needs to grow up? You need to grow up in the understanding of the Jesus you speak of.

Did anyone not see this

 

[MidniteWelder]

Actually by biblical definition it means one who hates correction
Proverbs 12:1

 

[pastac]

Actually by biblical definition it means one who hates correction
Proverbs 12:1

I was referring to speech inability!!

KJV Dictionary Definition: dumb

dumb

DUMB, a. Dum.
1. Mute; silent; not speaking.
I was dumb with silence; I held my peace. Psalm 34.
2. Destitute of the power of speech; unable to utter articulate sounds; as the dumb brutes. The asylum at Hartford in Connecticut was the first institution in America for teaching the deaf and dumb to read and write.
3. Mute; not using or accompanied with speech; as a dumb show; dumb signs.
To strike dumb, is to confound; to astonish; to render silent by astonishment; or it may be, to deprive of the power of speech.
DUMB, v.t. To silence.
dumbness

DUMBNESS, n. Dumness.
1. Muteness; silence or holding the peace; omission of speech. This is voluntary dumbness.
2. In capacity to speak; inability to articulate sounds. This is involuntary dumbness.

 

[laceylacey]

But you don't know tho, your faith is all you have, same as me... There's no proof your religion us the truth....none

 

[GodIsSalvation]

But you don't know tho, your faith is all you have, same as me... There's no proof your religion us the truth....none

Yet there is a mountain of proof though for the religion of Christianity and none whatsoever for any other religion. Again, perhaps it be fairer for you to say you do not accept the Truth, but that does not change the Truth.

 

[pastac]

Whatever you are searching for you cant find unless you get out of your own way. reading the bible from cover to cover is not impressive if it was just a book to you. It becomes impressive when you start living by it. I'm not trying to do anything but get you to see your approach on a Christian site will get Christians attention. If information is truly what you seek allow people to give you what you need and don't be so defensive about a position you are unsure of. Remember you said you are seeking .

 

[danalee]

Tintin.......you don't need a God to know right from wrong

Yep, this statement proves the heart of what's going on with you right now.

"You don't need a God to know right from wrong."

This is your inherent nature and what is going so terribly wrong with you that you needed to come here. Stick around and open yourself up to the positive messages.

 

[laceylacey]

Dana everyone knows right from wrong you don't need a holy book to help you with that, terribly wrong with me? Wow really nice, you know nothing about me, you know nothing of my heart or my inherent nature, you know nothing about me.....like i don't know the same about you, i could say you are pretty cold for what you just said but i have alittle more tolerance and respect and i understand not everyone will see the world through my eyes