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sorry, the beast is mentioned in the chapter 13, the eagles wings/US in chapter 12. I think they both represent that God uses the US for a time.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.
Notice the dragons' pursuit is relentless.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.
Notice the dragons' pursuit is relentless.
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No, it was not then. That is the nature of prophecy it is not just written or spoken with words but the very events from the past are allegorical pointing to future events. Out of Egypt have I called my son - speaks then of Israel coming out of Egypt & is prophetic of Jesus being brought up in Egypt then brought back to Israel. As God brought His people to Himself then, He did it again & all these things point to the ultimate fulfillment of prophecy - the second coming of Christ when He will establish His throne in Israel.
Just as Pharaoh tried to kill the males, this was prophetic & the final fulfillment will be when the anti - Christ is revealed & he tries for the last time & God, Himself will stop him.
Just as Pharaoh tried to kill the males, this was prophetic & the final fulfillment will be when the anti - Christ is revealed & he tries for the last time & God, Himself will stop him.
oh for crying out loud.
it's now known people who identified as jews were slave TRADERS.
as for the Black African jewish ancestry theory, other jews don't accept it:
The term "Black Jews" is sometimes used to describe Black Hebrews, groups of people mostly of Black African ancestry situated mainly in the United States who believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites. Black Hebrews adhere in varying degrees to the religious beliefs and practices of mainstream Judaism. They are generally not accepted as Jews by the greater Jewish community, and many Black Hebrews consider themselves — and not mainstream Jews — to be the only authentic Jews. Although cordial relationships exist between some of these groups and the mainstream Jewish community, they are generally not considered to be members of that community, since they have not formally converted nor do they have Jewish parents.[5]
History of the Jews in the African diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
will the real jews please stand up?
like it matters RACIALLY?
come on!!
it's now known people who identified as jews were slave TRADERS.
as for the Black African jewish ancestry theory, other jews don't accept it:
The term "Black Jews" is sometimes used to describe Black Hebrews, groups of people mostly of Black African ancestry situated mainly in the United States who believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites. Black Hebrews adhere in varying degrees to the religious beliefs and practices of mainstream Judaism. They are generally not accepted as Jews by the greater Jewish community, and many Black Hebrews consider themselves — and not mainstream Jews — to be the only authentic Jews. Although cordial relationships exist between some of these groups and the mainstream Jewish community, they are generally not considered to be members of that community, since they have not formally converted nor do they have Jewish parents.[5]
History of the Jews in the African diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
will the real jews please stand up?
like it matters RACIALLY?
come on!!
[h=3]Isaiah 3:18-26[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, [SUP]19 [/SUP]the earrings and bracelets and veils, [SUP]20 [/SUP]the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, [SUP]21 [/SUP]the signet rings and nose rings, [SUP]22 [/SUP]the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses [SUP]23 [/SUP]and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
instead of beauty, branding.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Your men will fall by the sword,
your warriors in battle.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The gates of Zion will lament and mourn;
destitute, she will sit on the ground.
it implys everything being taken from the jewish woman, bauld head, etc
i think it comes close to the topic.
okay...but why future events?
Jesus came 2000 years ago...Spiritual Israel was enlarged as the Gospel went to the nations (gentiles) following Pentecost....and the Gospel goes out today.
all who receive it are transferred to His Glorious Kingdom. The Stone is becoming a Mountain covering all the earth.
next up - New Heaven and New Earth...New Jerusalem.
Jesus came 2000 years ago...Spiritual Israel was enlarged as the Gospel went to the nations (gentiles) following Pentecost....and the Gospel goes out today.
all who receive it are transferred to His Glorious Kingdom. The Stone is becoming a Mountain covering all the earth.
next up - New Heaven and New Earth...New Jerusalem.
[h=3]Isaiah 3:18-26[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, [SUP]19 [/SUP]the earrings and bracelets and veils, [SUP]20 [/SUP]the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, [SUP]21 [/SUP]the signet rings and nose rings, [SUP]22 [/SUP]the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses [SUP]23 [/SUP]and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
instead of beauty, branding.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Your men will fall by the sword,
your warriors in battle.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The gates of Zion will lament and mourn;
destitute, she will sit on the ground.
it implys everything being taken from the jewish woman, bauld head, etc
i think it comes close to the topic.
and then the Desolation and horror of 70AD?
doesn't what's written count for anything?
I believe too that Spiritual Israel is adding to its numbers everyday, but Spiritual Israel as a whole has not come out of Egypt and will not until the very last days. The coming out is an end time prophecy. When the Church is separated from world influence. Then Yashua's prayer that we all be as one will be realized.
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There was no abomination of desolation 70 AD. The people of the prince whi is to come destroyed the temple in 70 AD. the prince himself commits the abomination. But this does not occur until after the time determined for wars and desolation to occur. In all of daniels prophesies there was a gap. The gap is the time Isreal is not in Jerusalem. All during the time from babylon to Rome up to 70 Ad. Isreal was still in Jerusalem. They just did not have supremecy over it, the gentile kingdoms who ruled her did.
The prophesies were concerning Isreal in Jerusalem,. If Isreal is not in Jerusalem. there is no need to prophesy about that time period.
people must remember when your looking forward at prophesy, your looking at a straight line., Any gaps would not be seen, because your looking at the beginning to the end. Unless you assume EVERYTHING which happens in-between is stated, There is no reason not to believe a gap can occure.
Look at the first vision.
4 kingdoms, chronological order. Final kingdom in power, destroyed by the return of Christ. Christ has not returned yet. so there must be a gap between the 4th and 5th kingdom
Second vision the same. Final beast (the most power kingdom of man ever known, which is worldwide in scope) destroyed by Christ, So there must be a gap.
third vision. 70 weeks. Up to 69th week to the day, Messiah enters jerusalem. Literally fulfulfilled you could say to the second of when Daniel was told 500 years earlier it would happen.
Everything which happens after takes many years (at least 40 before city destroyed, Many wars and desolations etc etc) Then the abomination of desolation, Then the great tribulation, Then the return of Christ. Again, there must be a gap.
I love ya sis. But I can not see how you do not see this
The prophesies were concerning Isreal in Jerusalem,. If Isreal is not in Jerusalem. there is no need to prophesy about that time period.
people must remember when your looking forward at prophesy, your looking at a straight line., Any gaps would not be seen, because your looking at the beginning to the end. Unless you assume EVERYTHING which happens in-between is stated, There is no reason not to believe a gap can occure.
Look at the first vision.
4 kingdoms, chronological order. Final kingdom in power, destroyed by the return of Christ. Christ has not returned yet. so there must be a gap between the 4th and 5th kingdom
Second vision the same. Final beast (the most power kingdom of man ever known, which is worldwide in scope) destroyed by Christ, So there must be a gap.
third vision. 70 weeks. Up to 69th week to the day, Messiah enters jerusalem. Literally fulfulfilled you could say to the second of when Daniel was told 500 years earlier it would happen.
Everything which happens after takes many years (at least 40 before city destroyed, Many wars and desolations etc etc) Then the abomination of desolation, Then the great tribulation, Then the return of Christ. Again, there must be a gap.
I love ya sis. But I can not see how you do not see this
I believe the called out ones ( Spirit Israel) will gothrough most of the Tribulation. This will purify the church and anyone who isnot willing to put everything on the line for Yeshua will get out of the church.Those who want the worlds goods will try and keep but those who look for a citywhose builder and maker is god will stay the course come what may. The tribulation is the last chance for peopleto make their choice. It will be clear in those last days who is on what sideof the line.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did notreally belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remainedwith us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did notreally belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remainedwith us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us
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I agree. But the true church will endure to the end. Only the fakes would get out.. There are many in the church today who are not part of the true church. It will just become more evident who in those days.
But they (the church) will not be separated from worlds influence. they will still be deep into it. thats why I asked
But they (the church) will not be separated from worlds influence. they will still be deep into it. thats why I asked
EG - the last kingdom of the toes was Rome & Herods.
ALL those kingdoms in THE IMAGE were about Israel's enslavements/overlords due to transgression(s) and the old Covenant coming to an end.
their Final King would and DID come, they would/WILL never be given another.
The Stone that was cut without hands was Jesus and He ended captivity and the rule of others for WHOEVER BELIEVED.
the others said "we have no king but Caesar!"...so they have Caesar to this day.
all the Apostles called Jesus King.
we call Jesus King.
Jesus is King. for whoever is His servant/subject/friend.
for anyone else, He is still King, but they reject Him....so?
Psalm 2
The Reign of the LORD’s Anointed
1 Why do the nations ragea
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”
7 I will tell of the decree:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall breakb them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son,
lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Acts 4
27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the peoplee of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
31After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
what supremacy?
over what?
Jerusalem?
Jerusalem above is our mother - anyone's mother who will be saved.
no gaps.
Galatians 4
Sarah and Hagar: Two Covenants
21Tell me, those of you who want to be under the law, don’t you hear the law? 22For it is written that Abrahamz had two sons, one by a slaveaa and the other by a free woman. 23But the one by the slave was born according to the impulse of the flesh, while the one by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24These things are illustrations,ab for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinaiac and bears children into slavery — this is Hagar.ad 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabiaae and corresponds to the present Jerusalem,af for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem aboveag is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:ah
Rejoice, childless woman,ai
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those
of the woman who has a husband.aj, ak
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac,al are children of promise.am 29But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit,an so also now.ao 30But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.
31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
i don't think Paul was joking.
no gaps.
no loose ends.
Old Covenant over.
ALL those kingdoms in THE IMAGE were about Israel's enslavements/overlords due to transgression(s) and the old Covenant coming to an end.
their Final King would and DID come, they would/WILL never be given another.
The Stone that was cut without hands was Jesus and He ended captivity and the rule of others for WHOEVER BELIEVED.
the others said "we have no king but Caesar!"...so they have Caesar to this day.
all the Apostles called Jesus King.
we call Jesus King.
Jesus is King. for whoever is His servant/subject/friend.
for anyone else, He is still King, but they reject Him....so?
Psalm 2
The Reign of the LORD’s Anointed
1 Why do the nations ragea
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”
7 I will tell of the decree:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall breakb them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son,
lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Acts 4
27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the peoplee of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
31After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
what supremacy?
over what?
Jerusalem?
Jerusalem above is our mother - anyone's mother who will be saved.
no gaps.
Galatians 4
Sarah and Hagar: Two Covenants
21Tell me, those of you who want to be under the law, don’t you hear the law? 22For it is written that Abrahamz had two sons, one by a slaveaa and the other by a free woman. 23But the one by the slave was born according to the impulse of the flesh, while the one by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24These things are illustrations,ab for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinaiac and bears children into slavery — this is Hagar.ad 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabiaae and corresponds to the present Jerusalem,af for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem aboveag is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:ah
Rejoice, childless woman,ai
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those
of the woman who has a husband.aj, ak
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac,al are children of promise.am 29But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit,an so also now.ao 30But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.
31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
i don't think Paul was joking.
no gaps.
no loose ends.
Old Covenant over.
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