Why the king james?

[John146]

I was not using OT conversion to claim anything about the KJV. I'm not really sure how that topic got started.

Why you still going on about OT conversion to prove King James.... .Seriously that is messed up if you need to do that, just prove the King James is perfect version of all time.

 

[KJV1611]

That is simple...it's obvious from the context that the Lord is talking about protecting people from evil doers..the Hebrew word for "him" is relating to the Lord keeping the godly and faithful man safe through His word..

Context is always king

Psalm 12:1-8 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Help, LORD, for the godly man ceases to be, For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] They speak falsehood to one another; With flattering lips and with a double heart they speak.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, The tongue that speaks great things;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who have said, "With our tongue we will prevail; Our lips are our own; who is lord over us?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Because of the devastation of the afflicted, because of the groaning of the needy, Now I will arise," says the LORD; "I will set him in the safety for which he longs."
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] You, O LORD, will keep them; You will preserve him from this generation forever.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The wicked strut about on every side When vileness is exalted among the sons of men.

You're right context is king and those verses aren't talking about preserving needy people. Go back to verses 4 and 5. Proud boastful religious people are lording over the true believers... like trying to convince them that the bible is full of errors.

In Verse 5 God puts a stop to it and puts them in safety. How does he put them in safety? By the pure inerrant word of God that God promised to preserve forever. Somebody tells me my bible is full of errors and I just go to Psam 12 and lay that lie to rest. Done deal!

 

[4enlightment]

These disciples of KJV are most likely those that follows the same daily routine from birth that they cannot branch out on their own, they have to follow a certain pattern or else they can get lost. I noticed about their behavior is sort of like those that are having problems of concentrating on different problems that they only can stay focus on one, like the elderly. Like that saying, you cannot teach an old dog new tricks and which that phrase which I believed that it wasn't really meant to be taken as a metaphor but as when a person becomes older, that they start to lose some memories that they need to follow a pattern so in case, if they forget, that they will be pattern to follow a certain routine even if they are unaware of, that they'll still be conditioned to perform the same duties daily eventhough if they are not aware that they are . Like an Alzheimer patient, you cannot take them away from an certain environment or routine or else that they will be really confused. And so no one should not switch a certain routine of people that has short term memories or else they will be lost. And I know that there are some that are young on this site, but the Alzheimer disease are affecting the younger crowd as well as the older, probably from environmental pollution or whatever. That is why I am against GMo's because I believes that it is causing brain fog, people are doing and saying inappropriate things that it seem as if they are not aware of, especially that they are on a site that is being viewed by other members and viewers but not knowing that their behavior is not appropriate in front of others, especially in front of teenagers that pass on by.

Memory Loss and Confusion | Caregiver Center | Alzheimer's Association

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=164

 

[Agricola]

Here's two versions of the copies, which one is the true word of God, what did God promise to preserve forever, "him" or his words?

Psalm 12:6-7New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 The words of the Lord are pure words;
As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.
7 You, O Lord, will keep them;
You will preserve him from this generation forever




Psalm 12:6-7King James Version (KJV)

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

its all very well posting this, but how does this prove that this applies to the King James Bible and not another version? How does this even apply to any Bible version. It does not, so I await your irrefutable evidence.

 

[KJV1611]

its all very well posting this, but how does this prove that this applies to the King James Bible and not another version? How does this even apply to any Bible version. It does not, so I await your irrefutable evidence.

I wasn't trying to prove the inerrancy of the KJV. I'm trying to understand how the word is preserved in the copies as you said. I would like to know if God said he preserved his word or "him".

 

[fredoheaven]

I wasn't trying to prove the inerrancy of the KJV. I'm trying to understand how the word is preserved in the copies as you said. I would like to know if God said he preserved his word or "him".

Hi,

Here's how the Bible usage for the word "preserved" that is His Word not "him". It is the God's word that are keep, endures, shall not pass away, cannot be broken, the basis of God's judgement in the last day, more sure word, and is incorruptible. That's what the Word of God as evidence in the following passages of below scriptures.

Psa. 12:6, 7 The WORDS of the LORD . . . Thou shalt KEEP them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER.
Psa 100:5 For the LORD is good . . . and HIS TRUTH ENDURETH to all generations.
Ps 119:160 . . . every one of thy righteous judgments ENDURETH FOR EVER
Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. (Matt. 5:18)
John 10:35 . . . unto whom the word of God came, and the SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD that I have spoken, the same SHALL JUDGE HIM in the last day.

1Pe 1:23 -25 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth FOR EVER. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER, And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. (Isa. 40:7, 8)

God bless

 

[KJV1611]

Hi,

Here's how the Bible usage for the word "preserved" that is His Word not "him". It is the God's word that are keep, endures, shall not pass away, cannot be broken, the basis of God's judgement in the last day, more sure word, and is incorruptible. That's what the Word of God as evidence in the following passages of below scriptures.

Psa. 12:6, 7 The WORDS of the LORD . . . Thou shalt KEEP them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER.
Psa 100:5 For the LORD is good . . . and HIS TRUTH ENDURETH to all generations.
Ps 119:160 . . . every one of thy righteous judgments ENDURETH FOR EVER
Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. (Matt. 5:18)
John 10:35 . . . unto whom the word of God came, and the SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD that I have spoken, the same SHALL JUDGE HIM in the last day.

1Pe 1:23 -25 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth FOR EVER. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER, And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. (Isa. 40:7, 8)

God bless

Good post Fred and that's exactly what I'm trying to show these people... Gods word will never pass away. We have the preserved inerrant word of God today in our own language. It's so sad how people have been duped by liars like James White who claim God's pure inerrant word doesn't exist today.

 

[Agricola]

Good post Fred and that's exactly what I'm trying to show these people... Gods word will never pass away. We have the preserved inerrant word of God today in our own language. It's so sad how people have been duped by liars like James White who claim God's pure inerrant word doesn't exist today.

LOL you totally avoided the question AGAIN! How can you prove that the King James Bible qualifies for this. Where is the proof that King James is perfect Inerrant. WHy do you think this? Evidence please. I lost count number of times I have asked this, yet you lot continue to reply with rubuttles and same rhetoric. Seems to me there is no hard evidence or proof to support this claim about the King James.

 

[Dino246]

It's so sad how people have been duped by liars like James White who claim God's pure inerrant word doesn't exist today.

You may call him whatever you like, but until you present evidence clearly demonstrating that he is a liar, you are no better than a liar yourself. Your undocumented slander is worthless.

 

[KJV1611]

LOL you totally avoided the question AGAIN! How can you prove that the King James Bible qualifies for this. Where is the proof that King James is perfect Inerrant. WHy do you think this? Evidence please. I lost count number of times I have asked this, yet you lot continue to reply with rubuttles and same rhetoric. Seems to me there is no hard evidence or proof to support this claim about the King James.

What are you even asking man? What do you mean "how can you prove the KVB qualifies for this".... Qualifies for what?

 

[KJV1611]

You may call him whatever you like, but until you present evidence clearly demonstrating that he is a liar, you are no better than a liar yourself. Your undocumented slander is worthless.

From James Whites website. Here James states the inerrant word of God does not exist today, it only existed in the original manuscripts which no longer exist... This is a lie, he totally contradicts God's promise to preserve his word forever. Enough said, the guy is a deciever and a liar.

Article X
We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.
We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

 

[John146]

If we don't have the originals (which were preservation copies of what God had originally said), how do we really know what God has said? Where's the final authority Mr. White and whoever else?

From James Whites website. Here James states the inerrant word of God does not exist today, it only existed in the original manuscripts which no longer exist... This is a lie, he totally contradicts God's promise to preserve his word forever. Enough said, the guy is a deciever and a liar.

Article X
We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.
We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

From James Whites website. Here James states the inerrant word of God does not exist today, it only existed in the original manuscripts which no longer exist... This is a lie, he totally contradicts God's promise to preserve his word forever. Enough said, the guy is a deciever and a liar.

Article X
We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.
We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

Actually, White's web site clearly references the source of this material (at the top of the page you linked) as “The Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy” taken from Inerrancy edited by Norman Geisler, Academie Books, 1980, pages 493-497. They aren't even White's words, yet you call him a liar. That makes you a liar by your own logic, and White is vindicated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we don't have the originals (which were preservation copies of what God had originally said), how do we really know what God has said? Where's the final authority Mr. White and whoever else?

would not God be the final authority..

If the english KJV is the only authority, and no other bible ein ANY LANGUAGE says the exact same thing the KJV has, Has not God kept his word from all people of the earth except those who can understand Old English? What kind of God is that?

 

[Grace777x70]

I know..the whole idea is nonsense.. God preserves His word for all languages and people in all the earth. The KJV is not the only true "Word of God"...that's complete foolishness. The scriptures taken from the manuscripts can be translated in any language and is being done now. The KJV as well as every other translation have bias when the people translated it. It behooves us to study everything out.

The Lord has made available now to any common person the ability to look at how a word was used back in the greek and Hebrew times when the letters was written so that we can go and by the Holy Spirit reveal what the mind of the Spirit is in any verse when taken in context.

would not God be the final authority..

If the english KJV is the only authority, and no other bible ein ANY LANGUAGE says the exact same thing the KJV has, Has not God kept his word from all people of the earth except those who can understand Old English? What kind of God is that?

 

[John146]

What language was the originals preserved in? You mean God kept His words from all those people on the earth who didn't speak Hebrew or Greek? The argument is flawed. If God wants His words translated into another language, He can do that. The argument here is the English language. Has God preserved His words in the English language? If not, where are they?

would not God be the final authority..

If the english KJV is the only authority, and no other bible ein ANY LANGUAGE says the exact same thing the KJV has, Has not God kept his word from all people of the earth except those who can understand Old English? What kind of God is that?

 

[John146]

If God were going to give us His words in our language, wouldn't there be but one Bible? Wouldn't there be only one Bible in Spanish? etc...

 

[gb9]

If God were going to give us His words in our language, wouldn't there be but one Bible? Wouldn't there be only one Bible in Spanish? etc...

o.k now you are throwing stuff out there. when you stop making sense, time to stop talking.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What language was the originals preserved in? You mean God kept His words from all those people on the earth who didn't speak Hebrew or Greek? The argument is flawed. If God wants His words translated into another language, He can do that. The argument here is the English language. Has God preserved His words in the English language? If not, where are they?

You did not get my question at all. And what you said here does not make any sense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If God were going to give us His words in our language, wouldn't there be but one Bible? Wouldn't there be only one Bible in Spanish? etc...

if There is not an equivilent bible in the spanish language that states word for word what the KJV says in english..

that would destroy your argument would it not?