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I am proud of the Lord when I say He never moved me to memorize Holy Scripture rote, but rather to read and understand. I will always go back and review when asked about specific stories, even about the idol of Nebuchadnezzar, the creation, everything, however when asked to answer I do often answer from knowledge of the Word on a given subject without directly quoting the Word. As for Uzziah, are you talking about the good he did or the evil? He was punished for what he did, like the sons of Aaron who offered strange fire upon the alter. The only thing I have to offer Yahweh is thanksgiving, and always in the name of His Only Begotten Son. Uzziah lived out his days as a leper because of his egotistical deed, however he is remembered as having done good in the sight of Yahweh. I believe he suffered more than enough having been stricken with leprosy, no?
Forgive me, I did not see the question you posed. I believe God is not impressed by the status of individuals, they are all equal in His perfect esteem, while people will oft time be very impressed by the status of others. When I use the word status, I do not refer simply to upper or lower economic class, I mean any status. Goodness, how could we respect and love a god that was impressed by any aspect of His own creation, outside of creating all in Love?
The Old Testament, a total misnomer, is referred to most often because there is a lot more of it. It is Moses, the Writings and the Prophets, and all talk of Jesus Christ. How could anyone be versed in the Word without knowing the Word as well as given to know from the beginning to the end. I always restart reading the Word from Genesis and continue to Revelation, although many times I read Revelation and Daniel one after the other since they both speak extensively of the same times. Is there fault in this? I should think not. We are told to be as learned as possible by God, Himself.
It is obvious you did not understand the term offered "strange fire" upon the alter as did the sons of Aaron in finding it necessary to say it in a different manner "he was not eligible to as God's commands."
Once more the laws are used by those who claim to believe in grace. These are ceremonial laws and only apply if there is a Temple. You probably already knew this but apparently you were willing to overlook this in order to support your wishes. This is not of Yeshua.
So when convenient you say the Old Testament is rescinded by the New, and when convenient you quote what you believe to be laws, never realizing we are to obey the commandments of Yahweh, there are only ten. It boggles the spirit and mind how people who say they see either do not or cannot. You see, so I cannot undo what you say.
Once more the laws are used by those who claim to believe in grace. These are ceremonial laws and only apply if there is a Temple. You probably already knew this but apparently you were willing to overlook this in order to support your wishes. This is not of Yeshua.
So when convenient you say the Old Testament is rescinded by the New, and when convenient you quote what you believe to be laws, never realizing we are to obey the commandments of Yahweh, there are only ten. It boggles the spirit and mind how people who say they see either do not or cannot. You see, so I cannot undo what you say.
This is a classic incidence of projection, projecting what you do on to others. Hear the teachings of the Lord.
So you are saying there are laws in the New Testament and no grace in regard to sharing the Word of God. This is contrary to the teaching of the Holy Spirit and contrary to how some of you seem to try to force on others grace.
Are you a teacher of the law now, your laws on who can be what, or are you a teacher under the grace of the Blood of the Lamb?
Are you now the one who makes the laws? Are you confused? I know some people come to this forum to stir up trouble and make people feel very bad........they are not in Yeshua, and do not come back saying this is not in love this is because of love for the true family in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.
Next you are going to tell me that a Paulian Assembly exists, and that is also another lie. There is no one true church today. As the Word delineates clearly the people of learning in the latter times will be scattered. You, and people like you are trying to put people under frightful laws of your own making and at the same time claiming to believe in grace. Women can share the Word as well as anyone else today because there is no true assembly of Yahweh, but there are body members all around this old world.
Go ahead, ridicule all of this, do not just pick and choose a part as it seems is the habit of you and other trolls or whatever you are who come in this room, but stop stalking the believers who trust Jesus, you are now exposed.
So you are saying there are laws in the New Testament and no grace in regard to sharing the Word of God. This is contrary to the teaching of the Holy Spirit and contrary to how some of you seem to try to force on others grace.
Are you a teacher of the law now, your laws on who can be what, or are you a teacher under the grace of the Blood of the Lamb?
Are you now the one who makes the laws? Are you confused? I know some people come to this forum to stir up trouble and make people feel very bad........they are not in Yeshua, and do not come back saying this is not in love this is because of love for the true family in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.
Next you are going to tell me that a Paulian Assembly exists, and that is also another lie. There is no one true church today. As the Word delineates clearly the people of learning in the latter times will be scattered. You, and people like you are trying to put people under frightful laws of your own making and at the same time claiming to believe in grace. Women can share the Word as well as anyone else today because there is no true assembly of Yahweh, but there are body members all around this old world.
Go ahead, ridicule all of this, do not just pick and choose a part as it seems is the habit of you and other trolls or whatever you are who come in this room, but stop stalking the believers who trust Jesus, you are now exposed.
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The most important status God is impressed with is that we Love Him, like He Loves us, like He first Loved us, that we forgive others because Christ forgave us the moment His Son died on The cross for us, that is great Love, great forgiveness.
Whatever your views, my Christ peeps, speak it in Love.
The Lord leads.
Whatever your views, my Christ peeps, speak it in Love.
The Lord leads.
This is a dead horse. Timothy and Paul are extremely clear on this matter. If you say 'but women should be allowed to do all the same things as men', well, in all it's seeming harshness, that simply isn't what God says. You mix the worldly view with the religious view and as a result the religion itself becomes flawed. If one law can be willingly broken, then why not them all??
It makes no sense to say 'but' and 'what if' on this occasion. As the bible it's extremely blunt and clear on several occasions about this matter. The matter is settled, 'I do not permit a woman to have authority over a man, but to be in submission, silent'.
The bible speaks in many roundabout ways and metaphors at times, but that ^^ is no metaphor. Whether the argument continues depends on how willing people are to see the blatant rule laid out and live by it.
There is much difference between a woman who personally knew Jesus giving his messages to Jesus' male students, than for a man to be submissive to an actual woman preacher in a modern day church.
The idea of feminism and sexism didn't exist in the days of Jesus to the extent it does today, because women (and men) who were around Him and followed Him would have automatically submitted to the rules and laws. Today we like to say 'But I want to do it my way'.
Timothy and Paul were prophets. What came from their mouths and onto paper, was what god wanted out of their mouths and onto paper. If you deny them that status, then you deny it for ALL the gospels and prophets and as such the whole bible becomes 'subjective'.
It makes no sense to say 'but' and 'what if' on this occasion. As the bible it's extremely blunt and clear on several occasions about this matter. The matter is settled, 'I do not permit a woman to have authority over a man, but to be in submission, silent'.
The bible speaks in many roundabout ways and metaphors at times, but that ^^ is no metaphor. Whether the argument continues depends on how willing people are to see the blatant rule laid out and live by it.
There is much difference between a woman who personally knew Jesus giving his messages to Jesus' male students, than for a man to be submissive to an actual woman preacher in a modern day church.
The idea of feminism and sexism didn't exist in the days of Jesus to the extent it does today, because women (and men) who were around Him and followed Him would have automatically submitted to the rules and laws. Today we like to say 'But I want to do it my way'.
Timothy and Paul were prophets. What came from their mouths and onto paper, was what god wanted out of their mouths and onto paper. If you deny them that status, then you deny it for ALL the gospels and prophets and as such the whole bible becomes 'subjective'.
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Is it not very odd how so many will pick and choose in the New Testament what they wish to support what they decide is the way things are as commandments, yet many deny the commandments of Yahweh, I do not refer to laws and statutes, but to His commandments? Jesus, Yeshua, teaches us anyone who diminishes even one of these will be dimished in the Kingdom.
We know what commandments to observe by the Example of Yeshua, those who say they see and do not see this are not quite yet in the Way. Jesus, Yeshua, is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and those are not just nice names or titles they are teaching, meditating on each is a wonderful learning experience in Yeshua. Know them and learn by them.
We know what commandments to observe by the Example of Yeshua, those who say they see and do not see this are not quite yet in the Way. Jesus, Yeshua, is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and those are not just nice names or titles they are teaching, meditating on each is a wonderful learning experience in Yeshua. Know them and learn by them.
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Absolutely, true, Eddie, all 3 , judge not lest YOU be judged .
Why we even argue this is beyond understanding, except PROOF Satan is alive and well, working overtime even, to deceive the many that can't see--and this is symbolism for women preachers most DEFINITELY called by God, like Ellliott, et al--the NOSE PLAINLYONTHEIR FACE .
Why we even argue this is beyond understanding, except PROOF Satan is alive and well, working overtime even, to deceive the many that can't see--and this is symbolism for women preachers most DEFINITELY called by God, like Ellliott, et al--the NOSE PLAINLYONTHEIR FACE .
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Absolutely, true, Eddie, all 3 , judge not lest YOU be judged .
Why we even argue this is beyond understanding, except PROOF Satan is alive and well, working overtime even, to deceive the many that can't see--and this is symbolism for women preachers most DEFINITELY called by God, like Ellliott, et al--the NOSE PLAINLYONTHEIR FACE .
Why we even argue this is beyond understanding, except PROOF Satan is alive and well, working overtime even, to deceive the many that can't see--and this is symbolism for women preachers most DEFINITELY called by God, like Ellliott, et al--the NOSE PLAINLYONTHEIR FACE .
Are we allowed to examine what they teach?
Will they teach false doctrine if God called them?
I'll post some of what they teach and you tell me if it's sound doctrine, ok?
That would decide it, wouldn't it?
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OK. Let's keep it simple.
Joyce Meyers:
Not only has Meyer taught the “little gods” doctrine and the prosperity message of the Word Faith Movement, but she has also taught that Jesus paid the price for redemption in hell. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, beneath the caption “What Should You Believe,” she writes:
“Believe that Jesus did what the Bible says. Believe He is indeed the Son of God, born of a virgin. He took man’s sin Himself. He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. During that time, He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.”14 (emphasis added)
Word Faith teachers conclude that Jesus died spiritually on the cross when he took man’s sin upon Himself (thus becoming a sinner in need of redemption), was ushered into hell where for three days He strove to win his own redemption and man’s, and by earning this redemption became a born-again man and thus could legally offer redemption to man as well.
Without question, Meyer is familiar with this distortion of the gospel message. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she proclaims that,
“He [Jesus] was resurrected from the dead—the first born-again man.”17
Under the caption “What Happened on the Cross,” she asserts that,
“His [Jesus] spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. . . . Jesus went to hell for you. He died for you. He paid for your sins.”18
Joyce Meyer - What Joyce Wants, Joyce Gets
Any issues with the above?
Joyce Meyers:
Not only has Meyer taught the “little gods” doctrine and the prosperity message of the Word Faith Movement, but she has also taught that Jesus paid the price for redemption in hell. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, beneath the caption “What Should You Believe,” she writes:
“Believe that Jesus did what the Bible says. Believe He is indeed the Son of God, born of a virgin. He took man’s sin Himself. He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. During that time, He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.”14 (emphasis added)
Word Faith teachers conclude that Jesus died spiritually on the cross when he took man’s sin upon Himself (thus becoming a sinner in need of redemption), was ushered into hell where for three days He strove to win his own redemption and man’s, and by earning this redemption became a born-again man and thus could legally offer redemption to man as well.
Without question, Meyer is familiar with this distortion of the gospel message. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she proclaims that,
“He [Jesus] was resurrected from the dead—the first born-again man.”17
Under the caption “What Happened on the Cross,” she asserts that,
“His [Jesus] spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. . . . Jesus went to hell for you. He died for you. He paid for your sins.”18
Joyce Meyer - What Joyce Wants, Joyce Gets
Any issues with the above?