Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[Mediate]

My, my, my. I am going on a judge.


Everyone is so sure of themselves that there's no waychristianity is even christianity most of the time.

50 different views = fifty different God's.

There's one bible. And that one bible says women arent to teach, or have authoprity over men. Feminists - stick that in your pipe.

That's the way it is.

Be christian, or be a feminist.

 

[Mediate]

By the way he entered 'shoel', it means 'the grave'. King James' bible, is, in his words, 'a poetic masterpiece'. Read Hebrew. Eternal fire doesn't exist. Death of sin, not death of soul.

 

[GreenNnice]

OK. Let's keep it simple.

Joyce Meyers:

Not only has Meyer taught the “little gods” doctrine and the prosperity message of the Word Faith Movement, but she has also taught that Jesus paid the price for redemption in hell. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, beneath the caption “What Should You Believe,” she writes:

“Believe that Jesus did what the Bible says. Believe He is indeed the Son of God, born of a virgin. He took man’s sin Himself. He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. During that time, He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.”14 (emphasis added)

Word Faith teachers conclude that Jesus died spiritually on the cross when he took man’s sin upon Himself (thus becoming a sinner in need of redemption), was ushered into hell where for three days He strove to win his own redemption and man’s, and by earning this redemption became a born-again man and thus could legally offer redemption to man as well.

Without question, Meyer is familiar with this distortion of the gospel message. In her book The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she proclaims that,

“He [Jesus] was resurrected from the dead—the first born-again man.”17

Under the caption “What Happened on the Cross,” she asserts that,

“His [Jesus] spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. . . . Jesus went to hell for you. He died for you. He paid for your sins.”18


Joyce Meyer - What Joyce Wants, Joyce Gets



Any issues with the above?

Doesn't change anything, just a generalization, you still have a few hundred (USA) ordained women preachers to refute the doctrine of, Eddie. The Lord leads, of which there can be no argument, God has SAVED many souls through women preachers. Why would you want disengenufy what God did through women. Ultimately, everything and everyone goes through God's Son, who came via Holy Spirit seed of God who lit on Jesus' shoulder at baptism, who became man's helper, AND WOMAN's at God's giving us His 'Helper,' which was God's giving of Himself one more way to His who receive and believe and receive and follow and obey.

Did I stutter? Uktimately, our lives are Holy Spirit led and it is NEVER for you or I to say--man or woman-- is made a called pastor to people. We just don't know all the circumstances and reasons of why God does what He does, EVEN trump what is,said is the way TEACHING should be done .

The Lord leads, and, forgive me IF it's not fair to you, Chridt bro, but no matter how many USA way women pastors were falsely teaching becauxe I KNOW most are, indeed, preaching and teaching the Word of God to congregations in USA, of that there is no doubt and that MUST go for you to, Eddie, IF you believe in the,almighty endearing, speaking power of God through Jesus through the Holy Spirit all witking, greatky,, in EACH individual's life, for His glory, following his/her plan made PERFECTLY for he/she for Life. Do NOT, I exhort you, to discredit God's annointed.

 

[edward99]

Doesn't change anything, just a generalization, you still have a few hundred (USA) ordained women preachers to refute the doctrine of, Eddie. The Lord leads, of which there can be no argument, God has SAVED many souls through women preachers. Why would you want disengenufy what God did through women. Ultimately, everything and everyone goes through God's Son, who came via Holy Spirit seed of God who lit on Jesus' shoulder at baptism, who became man's helper, AND WOMAN's at God's giving us His 'Helper,' which was God's giving of Himself one more way to His who receive and believe and receive and follow and obey.

Did I stutter? Uktimately, our lives are Holy Spirit led and it is NEVER for you or I to say--man or woman-- is made a called pastor to people. We just don't know all the circumstances and reasons of why God does what He does, EVEN trump what is,said is the way TEACHING should be done .

The Lord leads, and, forgive me IF it's not fair to you, Chridt bro, but no matter how many USA way women pastors were falsely teaching becauxe I KNOW most are, indeed, preaching and teaching the Word of God to congregations in USA, of that there is no doubt and that MUST go for you to, Eddie, IF you believe in the,almighty endearing, speaking power of God through Jesus through the Holy Spirit all witking, greatky,, in EACH individual's life, for His glory, following his/her plan made PERFECTLY for he/she for Life. Do NOT, I exhort you, to discredit God's annointed.

God does not anoint preachers to preach Jesus Christ paid our sin debt to SATAN.

I'm not gonna waste either of our time on this GnN.

 

[GreenNnice]

God does not anoint preachers to preach Jesus Christ paid our sin debt to SATAN.

I'm not gonna waste either of our time on this GnN.

There is no argument of which we can argue on this, Eddie, IF you believe in the power of God to use both men and women for His express purposes. The Lord leads, His Spirit leads you, me, every body who believes and to think Joyce Meyers or Elizabeth Elliott or Paula Whit is not called by God, having heard His call, is not a judgment, I assure you, no one who Loves and follows and obeys and believes and knows the power of God will want to give a verdict. Sure, maybe one, maybe, two, several even, high-profile women pastors in usa are preaching the wrong words of The Word that will NEVER void the MANY Holy Spirit women preaching, and, I know you just chomp at the bit to say, 'but, but, but, green,'

But what?
But nothing, God's called are annointed and divinely appointed by Him, probably a 100 is a low number of pulpit women pastors at churches around the country. God will carry out His purposes BEYOND our mere mortal understanding, and, following Him is what we neec to do above all else.


Worry NOT about others' walk, worry about your own Life, Jesus said to Peter when Peter wondered why Judas the betrayer was allowed to follow Him upon Jesus arisen
Peter: 'Lord, who is the one who betrays you.'
Jesus: ' If I will that he remained till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

YOU worry about you AND let God worry about women preachers.
No 'ifs,' 'ands,' or....

 

[edward99]

There is no argument of which we can argue on this, Eddie, IF you believe in the power of God to use both men and women for His express purposes. The Lord leads, His Spirit leads you, me, every body who believes and to think Joyce Meyers or Elizabeth Elliott or Paula Whit is not called by God, having heard His call, is not a judgment, I assure you, no one who Loves and follows and obeys and believes and knows the power of God will want to give a verdict. Sure, maybe one, maybe, two, several even, high-profile women pastors in usa are preaching the wrong words of The Word that will NEVER void the MANY Holy Spirit women preaching, and, I know you just chomp at the bit to say, 'but, but, but, green,'

But what?
But nothing, God's called are annointed and divinely appointed by Him, probably a 100 is a low number of pulpit women pastors at churches around the country. God will carry out His purposes BEYOND our mere mortal understanding, and, following Him is what we neec to do above all else.


Worry NOT about others' walk, worry about your own Life, Jesus said to Peter when Peter wondered why Judas the betrayer was allowed to follow Him upon Jesus arisen
Peter: 'Lord, who is the one who betrays you.'
Jesus: ' If I will that he remained till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

YOU worry about you AND let God worry about women preachers.
No 'ifs,' 'ands,' or....

He already made it clear. No ifs ands or buts.
But you don't believe what the scriptures says.

In case you haven't noticed, the church has some apostasy going on.
Most rampant where pastrixes are in charge.

1 Timothy 2
A Call to Prayer

1First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

8Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and dissension.

Women Instructed

9Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, 10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. 11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint

 

[JaumeJ]

Hi GreenNnice.
Are we allowed to examine what they teach?
Will they teach false doctrine if God called them?

I'll post some of what they teach and you tell me if it's sound doctrine, ok?
That would decide it, wouldn't it?

Growing up on the West Coast, my sister and I, the youngest of five children, were sent off to summer Bible school from our trailer, our home. I won a plaque for remembering scripture with a poem inscribed on it called, "Overheard in an Orchard."

As the familial plight improved we moved to rental homes, many, and with each move, my sister and I would go to the nearest church with a cross on the top with the restriction from my father not to attend Catholic or Jewish services.

By the time I was 13, and having attended many churches due to our many moves, I realized they were all different protestant denominations. From the pulpit I heard some pretty bad things "taught" about non-whites and about other religions and cultures. In school I heard talk just as bad from those representatives of churches I was forbidden to attend.

Although I stopped attending any church due to the venom preached from varied pulpits, I always remembered the song from Bible School, "Jesus Loves Me, This I KNOW." This was my religion until one night with a broken heart, I prayed to God having refused to eat until He would help me. He did, that night, and the following day in wonderous ways, and since then I have been convinced of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as taught by His Word.

The Word, Yahweh, is true though every man be false. James tells us what religion that is true is, while all of the Word, ALL, is our theology, any other theology is comparative, therefore is false.

 

[Bea22]

You realise most of the arguments on these forums are all because someone doesn't read the Word for what it says AND what it is meaning, and either compromises, or reasons, or says It is for another day / age. We all know where reasoning originated... and Eve fell for it.

Well I'm sad to see that more women have agreed with the view that women preachers are okay. As someone mentioned before, God can speak to women through gifts of tongues, prophecy, dreams, interpretations... God can even use women for their testimony, their encouraging words, etc.
But to preach the Word behind a pulpit to a congregation? There are NO accounts of that happening and no scriptures to back that view up. Rather, there are scriptures to directly go against it.

Side note: I am not a feminist but I do appreciate that today I have more rights than women in times past.

 

[JaumeJ]

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

When the word "man" is used in reference to many, it includes all human flesh, so the people addressed above are the congregation, all. There is a great debate in the forum about whether or not Paul is to be believed, even if he is an apostle. There has never been great question in my own mind, however there seems to be in many's here. This teaching explains in simple and straightforward words the calling of men and women, and it also shows what they may do. It is foolishness in these very dark days to say or teach that any person is disallowed to share the Word of God when the Holy Spirit is speaking though through that person.

 

[GreenNnice]

You realise most of the arguments on these forums are all because someone doesn't read the Word for what it says AND what it is meaning, and either compromises, or reasons, or says It is for another day / age. We all know where reasoning originated... and Eve fell for it.

Well I'm sad to see that more women have agreed with the view that women preachers are okay. As someone mentioned before, God can speak to women through gifts of tongues, prophecy, dreams, interpretations... God can even use women for their testimony, their encouraging words, etc.
But to preach the Word behind a pulpit to a congregation? There are NO accounts of that happening and no scriptures to back that view up. Rather, there are scriptures to directly go against it.

Side note: I am not a feminist but I do appreciate that today I have more rights than women in times past.

The Holy Spirit, read, read, read about HOW powerful IS the Holy Spirit upONman, upONwoman, too

_________

Absolutely jaumeyellowbird, absolutely HS, HS, HS, awww, alas!, @hhhhh, the power of the Holy SpiritONourlife.

On , on, on, on and on, and, I assure you, I have complete belief in Paul's God-breathed scripture but the Holy Spirit works in all, and, women, too, best not deny the Spirit when He calls.

 

[Bea22]

I think it clearly shows in the particular chapters in relation to the roles of men and women, 'man' 'men' 'woman' 'women' are separated and not classified as 'man' or mankind.
Big difference. And pretty straightforward. No reading into it necessary of what it is meaning when it says 'not a woman to teach or usurp authority'.

 

[Bea22]

Unless you suppose that 'woman' there is meaning something else

 

[Bea22]

I assure you, I have complete belief in Paul's God-breathed scripture but the Holy Spirit works in all, and, women, too, best not deny the Spirit when He calls.

Now who is saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work in women? Not I. Did you read what I wrote about how God can use women. That isn't belittling the place of women, nor the ways they can be used.
It is, however, staying in line with the scripture. Whereas, your opinion is discounting scripture.

 

[GreenNnice]

I think it clearly shows in the particular chapters in relation to the roles of men and women, 'man' 'men' 'woman' 'women' are separated and not classified as 'man' or mankind.
Big difference. And pretty straightforward. No reading into it necessary of what it is meaning when it says 'not a woman to teach or usurp authority'.

That's right, it is what it is, says what it says, 'women don't teach or take over, usurp, authority over a man,' but God has (obviously) used women on the pulpit to teach men, unless you deny reality. I don't want to but I can FIND over 50 USA women pastors in charge of churches, plus MAJOR televangelist preachers and syndicated radio pastors and teachers like Elizabeth Elliott.

So, who you gonna judge? Whose judhment? God's bad judgment having MANY women in USA preaching. I would hope not, for your own 'judged' consequences.

Get over it, despite what Paul wrote, God has USED many, many, did I say 'many?' women to relay His Word to people, and, assuredly, I have NO doubt, Joyce Meyers, Elliott, White have been VESSELS saving many, many, many, many....souls from the depths of damnation. Hooray for God, belieVe in His plans, for alll, you only THINK you know better than God how to accomplish His great plans. So, get over it, 'women,' are 'pastored' into His plans.

 

[Bea22]

That's right, it is what it is, says what it says, 'women don't teach or take over, usurp, authority over a man,' but God has (obviously) used women on the pulpit to teach men, unless you deny reality. I don't want to but I can FIND over 50 USA women pastors in charge of churches, plus MAJOR televangelist preachers and syndicated radio pastors and teachers like Elizabeth Elliott.

So, who you gonna judge? Whose judhment? God's bad judgment having MANY women in USA preaching. I would hope not, for your own 'judged' consequences.

Get over it, despite what Paul wrote, God has USED many, many, did I say 'many?' women to relay His Word to people, and, assuredly, I have NO doubt, Joyce Meyers, Elliott, White have been VESSELS saving many, many, many, many....souls from the depths of damnation. Hooray for God, belieVe in His plans, for alll, you only THINK you know better than God how to accomplish His great plans. So, get over it, 'women,' are 'pastored' into His plans.

Hmm, so you would rather go with a woman's idea about her rightful place to preach - which is against scripture - rather than what Paul said? Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ? Whom God used to write books of the Bible?
You judge yourself. In the end, it is the Word that will judge what is right and wrong... But a warning - God has already spoken, if He wanted to change it to include women preachers, He would have SAID so

P.S. You might need to "get over" the Word for your view to stick - but I think you somehow have...

 

[JaumeJ]

Each of the epistles are addressed to specific groups with varied customs and traditions. As it is written some traditions of man are harmless. If anyone today believes this advice about women keeping their mouths shut in a specific group from a man who states it is HIS custom not to permit them to speak is valid to all groups, then women should cover their heads, remain behind a screened partition in the assembly, and walk paces behind each's husband.
Also teaching this as commandment seems to come easiest to those who claim we are free of all laws, using this claim to profane God's Sabbath. Either there are rules or there are not, and when there are rules, I will listen and obey the Father first, and not those who pick and chose new laws and commandemnts from an apostle.
Paul is addressing a specific congregation with its particular customs. Customs and traditions of man, though harmless, are not commandments from on High.
Does not the fact that woman are saved by the same Holy Spirit with the same wisdom for all teach that when necessary a woman may share the Word of God?
I confess, when I have come across a woman preaching, I balk, and I am very wary, however the instant the Holy Spirit is evident in the teaching or preaching, I stand at attention. Also, and this cannot be stressed enough, there is not one single congregation on the face of this earth today that practices all that is written in the Word from Acts through Jude inclusive. Where do you see people living together worshipping and holding all things in common having sold all their belongings? Would this too not be a commandment according to the faith of these great thinkers? And if you do find such a group it lacks in the other areas taught in the epistles.
In these dark times, and I must repeat, it is foolishness to bar anyone who is guided by the Holy Spirit to share the Word of God, men or women.
Thus all who would teach this practice that Paul admits is his way as commandment do as is written in all of the epistles. It is always good and sure to go to the Master to know how our conduct in the sight of God should be, and His yoke is light.

 

[Bea22]

Each of the epistles are addressed to specific groups with varied customs and traditions. As it is written some traditions of man are harmless. If anyone today believes this advice about women keeping their mouths shut in a specific group from a man who states it is HIS custom not to permit them to speak is valid to all groups, then women should cover their heads, remain behind a screened partition in the assembly, and walk paces behind each's husband.

Can you show me where in the scriptures it says a woman must walk behind her husband, remain behind a screened partition and covered head? Which I suppose you are speaking about with the interpretation of it being some shawl or something, and not long hair - as stated clearly within that chapter.

Also teaching this as commandment seems to come easiest to those who claim we are free of all laws, using this claim to profane God's Sabbath. Either there are rules or there are not, and when there are rules, I will listen and obey the Father first, and not those who pick and chose new laws and commandemnts from an apostle.

Whose teachings are you following by following any of the OT or NT Word, God's or a man's? It's either God's Word, the whole thing, or it is not.

Paul is addressing a specific congregation with its particular customs. Customs and traditions of man, though harmless, are not commandments from on High.
Does not the fact that woman are saved by the same Holy Spirit with the same wisdom for all teach that when necessary a woman may share the Word of God?

As per my previous comments, women can be used in many ways without going against scripture.

I confess, when I have come across a woman preaching, I balk, and I am very wary, however the instant the Holy Spirit is evident in the teaching or preaching, I stand at attention.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

And what IS the Will of the Father in Heaven? Did He not make it known through His Word? Do you think He spoke for no reason? Do you think that He allowed a writer of a book in the Bible to write something which He did not approve of?

Also, and this cannot be stressed enough, there is not one single congregation on the face of this earth today that practices all that is written in the Word from Acts through Jude inclusive. Where do you see people living together worshipping and holding all things in common having sold all their belongings? Would this too not be a commandment according to the faith of these great thinkers? And if you do find such a group it lacks in the other areas taught in the epistles.
This, again, is some wrong interpretation of what the scriptures were saying. And off topic.

In these dark times, and I must repeat, it is foolishness to bar anyone who is guided by the Holy Spirit to share the Word of God, men or women.

Thus all who would teach this practice that Paul admits is his way as commandment do as is written in all of the epistles. It is always good and sure to go to the Master to know how our conduct in the sight of God should be, and His yoke is light.

In these dark times, would it not be wise to follow the scriptures even more, rather than going ahead with your own understanding? I don't know how much clearer you can get than saying "not a woman to teach or usurp authority"? Unless you have more solid evidence to discount what Paul is saying there being TRUTH, you are going against God's Word to add anything to it.
"These dark times, it is foolishness to bar anyone who is guided by the Holy Spirit to share the Word of God, men or women."
I must reiterate, God can use women in many ways without contradicting His Word.

 

[JaumeJ]

In these dark times, would it not be wise to follow the scriptures even more, rather than going ahead with your own understanding? I don't know how much clearer you can get than saying "not a woman to teach or usurp authority"? Unless you have more solid evidence to discount what Paul is saying there being TRUTH, you are going against God's Word to add anything to it.
"These dark times, it is foolishness to bar anyone who is guided by the Holy Spirit to share the Word of God, men or women."
I must reiterate, God can use women in many ways without contradicting His Word.

Breaking down and pretending to have understood gives the appearance of having read the post, but what is questioned demonstrates it has not been understood.........

 

[Bea22]

Breaking down and pretending to have understood gives the appearance of having read the post, but what is questioned demonstrates it has not been understood.........

is that all you can answer with? Please use scripture to back up your argument, like I have, and address the things I have pointed out.

 

[Red33]

You realise most of the arguments on these forums are all because someone doesn't read the Word for what it says AND what it is meaning, and either compromises, or reasons, or says It is for another day / age. We all know where reasoning originated... and Eve fell for it.

Well I'm sad to see that more women have agreed with the view that women preachers are okay. As someone mentioned before, God can speak to women through gifts of tongues, prophecy, dreams, interpretations... God can even use women for their testimony, their encouraging words, etc.
But to preach the Word behind a pulpit to a congregation? There are NO accounts of that happening and no scriptures to back that view up. Rather, there are scriptures to directly go against it.

Side note: I am not a feminist but I do appreciate that today I have more rights than women in times past.

You have a good balance in your understanding but these others will not hear what you are saying as a woman who has good conviction. There are those on this site that believe that they have an understanding from the Holy Spirit and anything you say contrary to that understanding is contrary to the word or they will accuse you of not reading or understanding their posts. They are very subjective individuals that are easily offended and they often retaliate with belittling comments to make you feel ignorant of foolish with what you have been given by God. There are only a few on this site that are like that but they are consistent and they have a mutual admiration for one another that is very noticeable. So don't let these few individuals bother you, just walk in the light you have been given and hope that others will walk in the same light that glorifies God in the truth. You are a good champion of the faith in this area of truth and stay steadfast.