Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

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MEN & WOMEN: Agree or disagree with women preaching & leading in churches.

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tribesman

tribesman

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Bea22 said:
...So to debate is to discuss. And that is what we women are doing on these forums. Not teaching or usurping authority.
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Nonsense. You are just trying to justify that women are teaching on these forums, re-naming and masquerading it as "discussing". Online anything goes, eh?

Why not be honest about that from the start? Why give the impression that you agree that women are not to teach men (period) when in reality you don't?

That has to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Wellknown root.
 
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Bea22

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tribesman said:
Nonsense. You are just trying to justify that women are teaching on these forums, re-naming and masquerading it as "discussing". Online anything goes, eh?

Why not be honest about that from the start? Why give the impression that you agree that women are not to teach men (period) when in reality you don't?

That has to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Wellknown root.
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Discussion is exactly what we are doing, you say your opinion and I say mine. Good grief.
 
Red33

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Bea22 said:
I'm glad FINALLY you've shown your real point of view... ;)

So the question is then, is it teaching, or is it a discussion?

And what is a discussion to you?

And if it IS teaching, maybe my first post to you IS smart.

Sigh.
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This poster has a troubled heart and will only cause you trouble. Let him get over his own troubled heart but not at your expense. You have too much going for you then to tangle with those that remain troubled about many things. You are free and God has put His grace in your heart as He has done for many others. Enjoy that freedom and continue to express it in terms of your love for God and for others in the manner you already have. God has been good to you and His goodness has lead you to have a mature understanding of His word with good fruit to follow.
 
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Bea22

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<3 thanks Red .... I will leave this discussion because it's getting nowhere and .... well it doesn't need to reach a consensus lol
 
tribesman

tribesman

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Bea22 said:
Discussion is exactly what we are doing, you say your opinion and I say mine. Good grief.
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You mark words and refuse to go the meaty part of it all. It is not about what we are doing now. I don't say you are teaching, you are just arguing.

Many women at these boards (inclusive of CC) are teaching or furthering/propagating teaching to a mixed audience. Some of them happen to teach things that are good while others spawn heresies and mumbo jumbo. But they all go against Paul's instruction. They come with an aim not to learn but to teach. Their attitude is not one of seeking answers to "how is it?" but wanting to teach others "how it is!". These women are not minding what Paul and the other apostles said about a woman's place in general. Some of them maybe think they have a cloak to do what they do because they are online or that it is somehow justified. Others are in open rebellion and proudly resist Paul. Sad, but true.
 
tribesman

tribesman

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Bea22 said:
<3 thanks Red .... I will leave this discussion because it's getting nowhere and .... well it doesn't need to reach a consensus lol
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There will not be any consensus anyway as long as you think women teaching online is OK. That word "teach" was used in post #508 which you "liked". Your stance is thereby clear to me and I don't agree with it. Mildly said.

Cheers.
 
tribesman

tribesman

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Bea22 said:
<3 thanks Red .... I will leave this discussion because it's getting nowhere and .... well it doesn't need to reach a consensus lol
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Maybe no surprise that you "liked" a post of a user who likes to turn against person, speaking lunacies out of the blue about them, rather than staying on-topic when his points are disproved.
 
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Bea22

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[Here to edify and be edified - not to argue. Won't entertain debaters.]

God Bless, over and out
 
Dude653

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oldhermit said:
It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.
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No...what it boils down to is pulling scriptures out of their context and forming a doctrine on them
 
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abair

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the real question is why the bible Select the category that can not preach on the basis of sex
And not on the basis of ability or knowledge or age
why the bible should prevent anyone from preaching if the person knows and have a knowledge
And why the bible did not prevent the ignorant or who committed a crime before or the young
why just women ?
some people Avoid thinking about why the prevention based on sex ??????
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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abair said:
the real question is why the bible Select the category that can not preach on the basis of sex
And not on the basis of ability or knowledge or age
why the bible should prevent anyone from preaching if the person knows and have a knowledge
And why the bible did not prevent the ignorant or who committed a crime before or the young
why just women ?
some people Avoid thinking about why the prevention based on sex ??????
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The Bible tells you why

1 Timothy 2:12-15 (KJV)
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
 
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rainacorn

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I'm so thankful God doesn't judge us the way men do.
 
Mediate

Mediate

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tribesman said:
This your comment is neither as smart nor as humorous as you might think it is.

If you can't see the difference between discussing and teaching then I guess you have to work on that, to start with.

Btw, noone here has suggested that women be categorically dead silent. Which should go without saying in most cases, doubtful in this case.
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'The difference between teaching and discussing', as your own interpretation of the bible leads you to believe the difference is . . . others have different views on what this place actually is anyway.

This isn't a church. Nor are any of these women pastors. This site is akin to sitting in the site owners home discussing, and the only way a woman is going to have any authority over you here is if you let it personally. There's a difference between a woman having unhinged authority over men in taeching (ie. at the pulpit) thatn discussing in a thread to be debatable. The same with any man having authority over you, it only happens when you let it.

Your profile, with all its terms and 'isms', clearly shows you have a very specific view on EACH AND EVERY verse of the bible. Anyone who does not believe what you believe exactly, is not automatically wrong, however.

You did the same thing to me in a previous post then informed me that I was not worth any of your time. Somehow, I think you get the impression I am below you, which is fine. But Bea, I'd consider a friend (at least someone with the ability to speak with civility until spoken to in an offensive manner). I don't mind you being rude to me, but if you could speak to her without the rudeness I'd appreciate it. In your wilfully propagated view of women being lesser to the point of having to sit in silence, you might then consider them being due more forgiveness and patience than men.
 
oldhermit

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Dude653 said:
No...what it boils down to is pulling scriptures out of their context and forming a doctrine on them
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Please explain to me how my post on 1Cor. 14:33-38. is "out of context." Exactly what did I say that cannot be found in the context? What exactly do you think the context is?
 
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Tru2JHWH

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Closemyeyes2cU said:
Something I was just thinking about...

How would you feel about a Christian woman writing a book and teaching doctrine in it?
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I don't think there is nothing wrong with a Christian woman who is an author of a book and teaches a doctrine. The Bible is specifically talking about the roles women play in churches from 2000 years ago to the present.
 
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Bea22

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Mediate said:
'The difference between teaching and discussing', as your own interpretation of the bible leads you to believe the difference is . . . others have different views on what this place actually is anyway.

This isn't a church. Nor are any of these women pastors. This site is akin to sitting in the site owners home discussing, and the only way a woman is going to have any authority over you here is if you let it personally. There's a difference between a woman having unhinged authority over men in taeching (ie. at the pulpit) thatn discussing in a thread to be debatable. The same with any man having authority over you, it only happens when you let it.

Your profile, with all its terms and 'isms', clearly shows you have a very specific view on EACH AND EVERY verse of the bible. Anyone who does not believe what you believe exactly, is not automatically wrong, however.

You did the same thing to me in a previous post then informed me that I was not worth any of your time. Somehow, I think you get the impression I am below you, which is fine. But Bea, I'd consider a friend (at least someone with the ability to speak with civility until spoken to in an offensive manner). I don't mind you being rude to me, but if you could speak to her without the rudeness I'd appreciate it. In your wilfully propagated view of women being lesser to the point of having to sit in silence, you might then consider them being due more forgiveness and patience than men.
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<3 Mediate thanks for standing up for me- and for the right of women to express their views on here. I'm glad some men have the balance right.. God bless :)
 
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