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That word "debate" is found in the negative in scriptures like Rom.1:29 and 2Cor.12:20.
A serious discussion is something entirely else. Something you proved that you were not into (at least not about this issue).
I suspected early on (from your repeated questions about the same thing and not wanting to stop arguing, like a "continual dropping" Prov.27:15 as well as your dishonesty) that your motives was not a serious discussion at all, but trolling, which was later to be demonstrated. You have now joined other such users in my iggy bin.
However, our convo was not all time flies, it surfaced an important cloak that some women use to justify a role as teachers while yet outwardly professing to denounce female teachers.
A serious discussion is something entirely else. Something you proved that you were not into (at least not about this issue).
I suspected early on (from your repeated questions about the same thing and not wanting to stop arguing, like a "continual dropping" Prov.27:15 as well as your dishonesty) that your motives was not a serious discussion at all, but trolling, which was later to be demonstrated. You have now joined other such users in my iggy bin.
However, our convo was not all time flies, it surfaced an important cloak that some women use to justify a role as teachers while yet outwardly professing to denounce female teachers.
And then we have someone who talks about being rude. A person who teaches the heresy of universalism (i e literally "all" of mankind will be saved).
Such people would have hated Paul and Jesus when they rebuked the filth of the pharisees and false prophets.
No wonder tho, as they even judge God in their hearts for not being "pious" enough.
Such people would have hated Paul and Jesus when they rebuked the filth of the pharisees and false prophets.
No wonder tho, as they even judge God in their hearts for not being "pious" enough.
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And this is what makes it such a tricky situation because "Church" doesn't just simply apply to a building.
G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah) n.
1. (properly) a "calling out"
2. (concretely) a called out assembly of citizens
3. (specifically, of Christ) the community of the Redeemed of Christ whether being on earth or in heaven or both
{used only of people, not a location, structure, etc. Of Christ, used only of the Redeemed, not of the unredeemed in their midst}
[from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564]
KJV: assembly, church
Root(s): G1537, G2564
Compare: G4864
See also: G2822
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G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah) n.
1. (properly) a "calling out"
2. (concretely) a called out assembly of citizens
3. (specifically, of Christ) the community of the Redeemed of Christ whether being on earth or in heaven or both
{used only of people, not a location, structure, etc. Of Christ, used only of the Redeemed, not of the unredeemed in their midst}
[from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564]
KJV: assembly, church
Root(s): G1537, G2564
Compare: G4864
See also: G2822
[?]
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I havent come to the conclusion that this assembly is a "church" necessarily. When you consider the fact that a church isn't limited to just a building it does make things a little tricky. I don't see any chain of spiritual authority here in the forums though. There is not one man who begins to preach and the rest of us just sit and listen. Its basically a free for all were everyone can chime in. I dont really have a problem with women giving their doctrinal views in this setting.
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Hey what happened to the topic?
Isnt it about preaching and overseers of the church?
Has anyone brought up the two reasons the answer is no?
cultural relevance is squashed by the Holyspirit through Paul
Anyway this is a discussion place....all can discuss...i might even learn something from a woman
I did this morning.
Lighten up and have a cookie with milk
Isnt it about preaching and overseers of the church?
Has anyone brought up the two reasons the answer is no?
cultural relevance is squashed by the Holyspirit through Paul
Anyway this is a discussion place....all can discuss...i might even learn something from a woman
I did this morning.
Lighten up and have a cookie with milk
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I'm glad. For one thing, if this were a church, there would be one man preaching the Word of God - as being from God - and everyone else would be in submission to him. Yes, including all the men who like to have their say on here. Robo has not used this website as a church. And he is not the one trying to say women on these forums are preaching. If you - people - want to stretch it to say women cannot express their view using scripture online - as someone said 'masquerading preaching for discussion' - because THIS is a church ... then let's all decide who the preacher is. Bearing in mind, the congregation can vote him out. Or else, be happy you still get a say on here and quit belittling women. ^
And..... I am chilled.... I am just direct.
And..... I am chilled.... I am just direct.
The church of Corinth had written Paul a letter stating that the Corinthian church was out of order and that the women were being disruptive. Paul responds and gives them his advice on how to get the church back in order. He was adressing the Church of Corinth specificaly. I say again, every mouth you silence is a victory for the enemy. To say that a woman is less than a man in the Kingdom of God, does not reflect the character of God.
I am well aware of the historical and cultural context of 1 Corinthians.
What I want to know is when Paul says "...as in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized, how does this not fit the context. It wold seem that many have a problem recognizing this. I did not intrepret anything. I mearly quoted the passage. This statement is NOT historically or culturally contengent. This, just like all other scripture, is equidistant to both time and culture. Scripture must be allowed to stand over and above time and culture or it is a meaningless document.
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Yes, it does, because the greatest word in question is 'authority,' from 1 Timothy 2:12
”I suffer not a woman to teach or (to) have authority over a man, but to be in silence.”
This verse, unlike the oft compared verse of 1 Cor. 14:35, IS speaking of 'origination.'
Or wait? Hmmm, what is the word Paul uses in verse 36, what, it can't be 'original..'
But, yes, it is because JUST LIKE IN 1 Timothy 2:12 speaks of Paul stating that women are NOT first originated, but 'Adam formed first then Eve,' this 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Paula telling of women to be quiet , says in 14:36 what?
”Or, did the word of God come ORIGINALLY from you.” 1 Cor. 14:36.
Then, in 14:39, God speaks of 'order,' just like God did in 1 Timothy 2:13-14.
Christ peeps, God does not authorize ANYWHERE in scripture that women can not speak, just that there is an order of hierarchy, and, men are FIRST choice, women SECOND.
'Course, this all has order BELOW God's Holy Spirit CALL on your life, and, He calls men, women, BOTH into the ministry to TEACH and to preach.
The original Greek word for our English word of 'authority,' is 'authenteo' or, as the Greek word, 'authentikos,' in truest meaning, and, 'origination,' is the word that Paul most mean-t when saying....
” I suffer not a woman to teach or to have ORIGINATION over a man, but to be in silence.”
Then, the very next verse speaks of ORDER. Paul CLEARLY is speaking of a woman NOT to say they are BETTER than a man, that they are not to think themselves SUPERIOR to a man. This verse, sorry my Christ bros, who want to use the evolved 'dominate' verb for 'authority,' it just is NOT right, YOU have the wrong source of origination for your favorite scriptural word....
But take heart, my traditionalist men out there hat meditate on this word day and night of late (and early too ), be of good cheer, I have overcome the world
God bless you, men and women, teach and preach on
”I suffer not a woman to teach or (to) have authority over a man, but to be in silence.”
This verse, unlike the oft compared verse of 1 Cor. 14:35, IS speaking of 'origination.'
Or wait? Hmmm, what is the word Paul uses in verse 36, what, it can't be 'original..'
But, yes, it is because JUST LIKE IN 1 Timothy 2:12 speaks of Paul stating that women are NOT first originated, but 'Adam formed first then Eve,' this 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Paula telling of women to be quiet , says in 14:36 what?
”Or, did the word of God come ORIGINALLY from you.” 1 Cor. 14:36.
Then, in 14:39, God speaks of 'order,' just like God did in 1 Timothy 2:13-14.
Christ peeps, God does not authorize ANYWHERE in scripture that women can not speak, just that there is an order of hierarchy, and, men are FIRST choice, women SECOND.
'Course, this all has order BELOW God's Holy Spirit CALL on your life, and, He calls men, women, BOTH into the ministry to TEACH and to preach.
The original Greek word for our English word of 'authority,' is 'authenteo' or, as the Greek word, 'authentikos,' in truest meaning, and, 'origination,' is the word that Paul most mean-t when saying....
” I suffer not a woman to teach or to have ORIGINATION over a man, but to be in silence.”
Then, the very next verse speaks of ORDER. Paul CLEARLY is speaking of a woman NOT to say they are BETTER than a man, that they are not to think themselves SUPERIOR to a man. This verse, sorry my Christ bros, who want to use the evolved 'dominate' verb for 'authority,' it just is NOT right, YOU have the wrong source of origination for your favorite scriptural word....
But take heart, my traditionalist men out there hat meditate on this word day and night of late (and early too
), be of good cheer, I have overcome the world God bless you, men and women, teach and preach on