Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[GreenNnice]

What in the world are you saying? I just told her I was wrong? I don't get what you are saying or what you are reading into what is posted. She was right in being confused on the issue, and I posted that I should have posted it with better grammar. What are you saying here? Again, I simply do not get it.

No worries, she's over it, I'm over it, but, for future reference, I just would compliment someone on helping you get your wording clearer, humble thyself in the sight of Him, that's all, Christ bro, God bless, and, sorry, if I upset you. Forgive me, Jj , I didn't see your grammar unclarity apology, again, we just all here to serve the Lord. Thy will be done, right

 

[cenallen]

Again each INDIVIDUAL is a UNION of the man (body) and the woman (spirit).

gnosticism at its finest.
no offense angelofmercy, but this is unbiblical, and the emergent church (among others) likes to use it to excuse homosexuality, as did the early gnostics.

 

[Abiding]

wait a minute cenallen i thought gnosticism was the new democratic christian religion.
apparently you didnt get the memo

 

[cenallen]

wait a minute cenallen i thought gnosticism was the new democratic christian religion.
apparently you didnt get the memo

that's funny, Abiding!!
and isn't it the truth!

 

[von1]

The main thing is to share Gods message to others.

 

[Tru2JHWH]

We as Christians have to follow the Bible as a whole....you can't pick and choose what scriptures to obey...its either all or nothing.

 

[JaumeJ]

The woman at the well spoke directly to the Master and then took His Word to the men of the village, and after the men of the village heard Him, they no longer needed to hear the woman for the Presence of Jesus, Yeshua, convinced them. The woman did take the message to them first. Now this did not bother our Master at all.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

The answer to your question is simply NO. The Bible, God's word does not authorize women to be pastors.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:11-15


1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. - 1 Timothy 3:1-7

In 1 Timothy 3, there is no mention of a woman at all in this passage of Scripture. It says if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desiretha good work. I did not see woman or she in this passage of Scripture at all.

Of course most of the modern translations remove the word "Man" from this passage of Scripture. That is why it is so important to stick with the King James Bible which is God's perfect word. If you do not have a King James Bible, you are going to be pretty much confused about true doctrine and these kind of issues.

 

[Tru2JHWH]

But the crazy thing is that people are looking at the evil world as an example of why they think that women can be preachers...they see these women evangelists and just because they are speaking these great things from the greatest book ever written that God must approve. But you have to do things in the order he has ordained everything. We can't do things our way and expect him to just accept it. Matt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. People need to take these verses more serious because best believe me that's not a threat, that's a promise!

 

[Tru2JHWH]

The answer to your question is simply NO. The Bible, God's word does not authorize women to be pastors.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:11-15


1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. - 1 Timothy 3:1-7

In 1 Timothy 3, there is no mention of a woman at all in this passage of Scripture. It says if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desiretha good work. I did not see woman or she in this passage of Scripture at all.

Of course most of the modern translations remove the word "Man" from this passage of Scripture. That is why it is so important to stick with the King James Bible which is God's perfect word. If you do not have a King James Bible, you are going to be pretty much confused about true doctrine and these kind of issues.

That's great info to know about other translations. I know to be careful when reading them but didn't realize that they was taking out the word "man" in some of them.....not surprising tho!

 

[Tru2JHWH]

The woman at the well spoke directly to the Master and then took His Word to the men of the village, and after the men of the village heard Him, they no longer needed to hear the woman for the Presence of Jesus, Yeshua, convinced them. The woman did take the message to them first. Now this did not bother our Master at all.

Plz use scripture so people reading this thread can go to their Bibles and following along with what you are saying...Thx! Also a lot of people seem to get confuse with a woman talking to others about God's word and a woman standing up in front men and women and preaching God's words. There is a difference. No where in the New Testament did you see a woman stand up and preach. Yes they mentioned women do God's work but not one example of them giving a sermon like Paul or Peter.

 

[GreenNnice]

The answer to your question is simply NO. The Bible, God's word does not authorize women to be pastors.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:11-15


1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. - 1 Timothy 3:1-7

In 1 Timothy 3, there is no mention of a woman at all in this passage of Scripture. It says if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desiretha good work. I did not see woman or she in this passage of Scripture at all.

Of course most of the modern translations remove the word "Man" from this passage of Scripture. That is why it is so important to stick with the King James Bible which is God's perfect word. If you do not have a King James Bible, you are going to be pretty much confused about true doctrine and these kind of issues.

This verse has word for 'authority' with much closer-to-real-meaning Truth from the 1st century Greek original writings, and, that word is 'authenteo,' which carries a completely different meaning than YOU THINK, I think

Authority >> authenteo >> originator .

Authority = originator < this speaking of the original Greek.


This then is what Paul is trying to say in verse 12 that perfectly contexts to verse 13 for 'authenteo' meaning 'origination' or, want another word, how about 'order.'

1_timothy/2-12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Does Paul really SUFFER, this is KJV version, which I like, incidentally . No! Paul does not like itvwhen a woman teaches origination, or, usurp , which means swallow up.' So these Ephesus church women had a SERIOUS problem with this happening.

Men are formed first then women, Adam then eve, verse 13 goes on to say, and, what does this verse here speak of? Order Just like in the home, Christ is head, then, man, then women.

The bible does nor say, Christ the head, then, man, and, NEVER woman. It says Christ...man and THEN woman
'They are first, superior in power) over the man

Paul is not saying he suffers a woman to ever preach or teach , he just says he suffers them CONSIDERING THEM FIRST IN THE ORDER AS NOT ACCORDING TO GOD'S DESIGN, 'Adam formed first and then eve, and, further proof of man BETTER (not only ever) to be in order for church positions first is that Eve was deceived , not Adam. But , let's not be naive! Adam was spoken to in garden too, and, Scripture states he was by Eve when eve was deceived. So, WHY did not Adam speak up and take the position of leader instead of letting eve eat fruit? Adam was a coward? Or, ??

Anyway, my point's been made a zillion times in this thread, and, it's earliest Scripture writings for my Truth, and, surely there is some lógic in there too.

As far as Timothy 3 , Paul just got done scolding the Ephesus women should not be thinking they aré better (origined) over/before men, so, Paul doesn't mention them. And died or doesn't read whatever you want ínto It, but, I pray the Lord leads you and I to all Truth.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Green, do you know how to read an ordered list?

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Christ is the head of every man


God - -> Christ
Christ --> man
Man ---> woman

Same rule applies in the Church.

 

[Tru2JHWH]

Green, do you know how to read an ordered list?

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Christ is the head of every man


God - -> Christ
Christ --> man
Man ---> woman

Same rule applies in the Church.

EVEN A CAVEMAN CAN DO IT! LMBO! TOO FUNNY!

 

[JaumeJ]

Plz use scripture so people reading this thread can go to their Bibles and following along with what you are saying...Thx! Also a lot of people seem to get confuse with a woman talking to others about God's word and a woman standing up in front men and women and preaching God's words. There is a difference. No where in the New Testament did you see a woman stand up and preach. Yes they mentioned women do God's work but not one example of them giving a sermon like Paul or Peter.

This story is so well known, it does not need to be specified by verse and number. I am certain everyone here knows the account very well.

 

[JaumeJ]

OK, I did copy it, and here it is below, pasted. It should be so well known that no one who believes would need it, but here it is anyways..............


Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Joh 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Joh 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
Joh 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Joh 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24Godisa Spirit: and they that worship him must worshiphimin spirit and in truth.
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee amhe.
Joh 4:27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
Joh 4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
Joh 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
Joh 4:30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
Joh 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.
Joh 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
Joh 4:33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Joh 4:35Say not ye, There are yet four months, andthencometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
Joh 4:36And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.
Joh 4:37And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
Joh 4:38I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.
Joh 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
Joh 4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
Joh 4:41 And many more believed because of his own word;
Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

 

[GreenNnice]

Green, do you know how to read an ordered list?

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Christ is the head of every man


God - -> Christ
Christ --> man
Man ---> woman

Same rule applies in the Church.

Do you realize you just said what I said, as long as you realize on earth it's important that Jesus submitted to the will of of His Father.

Why the Geico caveman?

Did the 'water' in you cause you to post that pic, jimdig??

Order in the church is being set forth by Paul, truly, I wonder why you can't see God's instruction through Paul teaching this abomination of origination of women thinking they are FIRST over men.

Simple, Adam formed first then Eve.

What's so hard to git?
Don't you believe the original Hebrew ?

C'Mon, Honduras, even a caveman can get that ?

EVEN A CAVEMAN CAN DO IT! LMBO! TOO FUNNY!

Even a cave woman should be able to rightly decipher Paul's true meaning, yahtru.


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Excellent, jaume, we who are His ALL have been given this 'water' that God calls us to do great things through it's provisional Spirit, which means women, indeed, have access to this 'water' too.

This 1 Timothy 2:12 Scripture is greatly misunderstood, proper context shows an ordered list with absolutely no saying in its Truth structure that women are not to teach or preach men.

I 'suffer' , says Paul.

Does Paul really suffer of women teaching men.
'Oh, this is terrible, even a (cave)boy could preach better than a woman.'

Does Paul really say that? Don't be naive. No, he does not.

Paul suffers, 'hurts inside' when a woman teaches or preaches to a man , and, isn't this what 'suffer' really means? Again, Paul suffers when women misuse their authority (order) marking, which is MAN FIRST, WOMAN SECOND, in assignment of church positions, including not just prophesying as praying ok (1 cor. 11:5) but teaching and preaching in right order OK.

PAUL SAYS same thing in 1 Cor. 14:39 essentially, saying everything has a rightful order .

39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

And, what kind of POWER does 'prophesying' by woman have over men? Plenty.
Paul states that tongues speaking is for unbelievers but prophesying for believers. Prophecy better than speaking tongues unless interpreter.

What does prophecy do for believer to believer? 'Strengthen, encourage, comfort.' 1 Cor. 11:3

To be speaking words to encourage, strengthen, comfort, that sounds to me like even a cqveman can recognize the power in that 'wheel' of Truth.

Maybe, there are some cavepeople on here, not mentioning any names, who need to ask 'the water' inside them IF they are patching His Truth with lies, and parching the throat of God with their silly little commercialism.

Come, Holy Spirit, I need you.
Come, Holy Spirit, I pray.
Come, Holy Spirit, I Love you.
Come in Thy own special way.

 

[christianbound]

Politics have nothing to do with God's will. Women can preach or lead a church as long as it is an all female congregation or teaching children. But we are not to lead man. Man is to lead us as Christ does. God made a woman, a helper, for Adam. Not the other way around. God made woman from man. This is not a subject to get huffy about because you do not think it is fair. A lot of things are not fair. Was Jesus being crucified for our sins fair to him? I don't think so. So why can you not just obey what the Bible teaches? I do not think the Bible asks too much or anything too hard of us. I think Jesus being sacrificed was much harder than opening our eyes live by what the Bible teaches.

 

[GreenNnice]

If 'authenteo' is used one time in the New Testament for defining 'authority,' which it is, ONCE, by Paul, and, 144 times as another Greek word, like, for instance, 'hipeiko,' or 'exouisia' which is a different meaning, then what do you think Paul is trying to say here?

Something different, you think ?

Indeed !

And, the word 'authenteo' IS used one time in verse 12 of 1 Timothy .

Authenteo's meaning is what?

'Originator,' in the original Greek. So be it, you don't think a woman should preach or teach over a woman per 1 Timothy 2:12 . So be you wrongly interpreting Scripture.

It's nothing to get huffy over, just pointing out it's simple as 'caveman find wheel' to understand

What difference does it make IF God calls a woman to priesthood ?

What does Jesus tell Peter on the road to Emmaus?

"If I will that he remains (someone Peter does not like) what is that to you? You follow Me.'

You follow Him, Christ peeps. The Spirit leads and it, indeed, does speak of Paul speaking of women not preaching of origination. He uses Adam and Eve for an example of speaking of this 'orderly list,' albeit a short list, it is true.

And, Christ is over man and man over woman. What is hard to understand about that? Scripture just NEVER speaks of women NEVER to preach and teach in church, just that there is a order to things.

Why blanket statement the word 'teach,' too. Really, a woman can never lead a Sunday School where men sit in the class? How naive is that ? Repudiating and repulsive thought, isn't it. It is DIVISIVE and of the idea of what man did in splitting up denominations, just like Israelites split from the Lord's leadership and got a man in charge who, we all know, treated them much WORSE than God. And, in fact, God never treated them 'worse,' or even 'bad' for one second, for God is Love, He only knows Love.

YOU are learning from the Lord, too, you know that, when a woman speaks too, because she is speaking with the Spirit of Christ. Can't God use a woman to preach to a man who is MAD at men, maybe, abused by one? Why not? He can, and, will, especially when no man leadership checks in when He calls. God will accomplish His will done, even if it HAS to be by a woman because NO man will 'step up' as he is called by God.

 

[Tru2JHWH]

This story is so well known, it does not need to be specified by verse and number. I am certain everyone here knows the account very well.

Plz use book chapter and verse. Just because it's well known by you doesn't mean everybody on this website knows their Bible that well. You should do that no matter what anyway.