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Cee

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Good point.

God was gloried when Lazarus was made well.

God's glory is connected to His goodness. We see this when Moses asks to see His glory, and God declares His goodness. And I've already discussed how His gifts in Scripture shows us His goodness.

Same as the blind man seen here:

John 9:1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud 7and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.

God's work is to loose people from darkness, including physical blindness as seen here. Yes, He also removes spiritual blindness as well. But His work as seen in this Scripture is connected with this man seeing and God's glory being displayed in him through it. And then He commissioned believers to do the same so the world might know the glory of God.

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Lazarus died from sickness. Healing is not only physical. Some people get spiritual healing because of their illness. When we pray about healing from illness, we just have to trust God's answer whether it's a yes or no because He knows what He is doing and we don't.


4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7 and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”
 
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HisHolly

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He told Cain, if you do right I will accept yours too. It wasn't and isn't favoritism
 
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CharlieGrown

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Where I depart from some theology is the thinking of irresistible grace. I believe God leaves room for Him to be chosen. Love is a free choice. And His death allows us the choice. And once we receive His love, we love others.
I tend to depart at that point as well. I cannot at this time transact the two concepts. But at the same time, how can He know all and not know whether we will use freewill to accept or not accept grace? How can this knowledge do anything other than affect such sub gifts as healing? Let's say He knows by omniscience that Bob will never accept the gospel. Knowing Bob will be forever separated from paradise, can Father bless Bob with a long healthy, wealthy 80 years in this reality? I can see that wholeheartedly, in fact I believe I see it in reality every day.
 
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CharlieGrown

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So he plays favorite? That's anti word
No, I didn't say He plays favorites, but He is fluid in treatment depending upon the bigger picture. Can He remove His hand of protection? We may be seeing that in real time in the US...
 
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HisHolly

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Obedience vs disobedience is the picture
No, I didn't say He plays favorites, but He is fluid in treatment depending upon the bigger picture. Can He remove His hand of protection? We may be seeing that in real time in the US...
 
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CharlieGrown

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He told Cain, if you do right I will accept yours too. It wasn't and isn't favoritism
But what was in Cain's heart? Can't The Lord knowing that event would be read by millions depict His righteousness by informing Cain of the truth knowing full well that Cain would reject it?
 
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CharlieGrown

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Obedience vs disobedience is the picture
Then your applying an equation to the blessing of God. Did we deserve Jesus due to our obedience?
 
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HisHolly

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Im sorry I have no idea what you're saying
But what was in Cain's heart? Can't The Lord knowing that event would be read by millions depict His righteousness by informing Cain of the truth knowing full well that Cain would reject it?
 
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CharlieGrown

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Im sorry I have no idea what you're saying
Maybe I misunderstood the question. I thought it was in relation to the Cain post...but it still applies as an example. Obedience is not made obsolete. And what obedience are we speaking of in relation to WoF, obedient to say "I don't have the flu!" when i have all the symptoms?
 
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HisHolly

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No I mean submitted to God, resistance of the devil so he flees.. he does bring sickness Job is an example.. not saying all sickness tho
Maybe I misunderstood the question. I thought it was in relation to the Cain post...but it still applies as an example. Obedience is not made obsolete. And what obedience are we speaking of in relation to WoF, obedient to say "I don't have the flu!" when i have all the symptoms?
 

Cee

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You mean this idea here or another?

Matt 4:43“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,[SUP]i[/SUP] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

God loves out of who He is. Not out of people earning His love or not. This same idea is now given to us as His sons, we love people because we are loved by Him. The fruit of being loved by Him means we can love those who don't love us. Scripture describes this as "perfect, completion, mature". Maturity in Christ is loving others even those who don't deserve it from us because we didn't deserve it from Him.

We've been given the ministry of reconciliation as described in 2 Co 5:18All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

So we see here God isn't counting the trespasses of the world, He came to save it. We judge ourselves when we don't come into His light for fear our "deeds" will be exposed. This links back to the garden with Adam/Eve when Adam/Eve hid in the bushes and covered themselves with fig leaves (religion), but God covered them with skins (righteousness).

This actually connects with the topic at hand because our righteous is linked to our prayers being effective according to James.

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Please note in this Scripture, James links the prayer being effective due to the one doing the praying. I know this is contrary to some people's beliefs, but James does it 2x. Get a mature believer (elder) and a righteous person will have a powerful prayer. He doesn't mention any gift of healing in this Scripture either.

So what is a mature believer according to Scripture? As I stated earlier it is one who is matured in love and knows their identity in Christ.

1 Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

We are known by Love. And will know Love.





I tend to depart at that point as well. I cannot at this time transact the two concepts. But at the same time, how can He know all and not know whether we will use freewill to accept or not accept grace? How can this knowledge do anything other than affect such sub gifts as healing? Let's say He knows by omniscience that Bob will never accept the gospel. Knowing Bob will be forever separated from paradise, can Father bless Bob with a long healthy, wealthy 80 years in this reality? I can see that wholeheartedly, in fact I believe I see it in reality every day.
 
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HisHolly

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Jesus was given to all just as rain is.. example of God being good to everyone despite their goodness or lack of to Him.. He is our example of how to treat everyone
Now I'm not sure what you're saying.
 

Cee

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No I mean submitted to God, resistance of the devil so he flees.. he does bring sickness Job is an example.. not saying all sickness tho
When people say I'm having a Job experience I ask them if they've received double and been made better. Because Job was after something like 2-3 months.
 
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CharlieGrown

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No I mean submitted to God, resistance of the devil so he flees.. he does bring sickness Job is an example.. not saying all sickness tho
Job tends to be the primary example. However, I wonder if that event was a little out of the norm of our reality. Was Father using that isolated event to educate us, or is it the spiritual standard operating procedure? I have questions...
 
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HisHolly

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Job was being tempted and he passed. I dislike when folks toss that around for everything
When people say I'm having a Job experience I ask them if they've received double and been made better. Because Job was after something like 2-3 months.
 
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CharlieGrown

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Jesus was given to all just as rain is.. example of God being good to everyone despite their goodness or lack of to Him.. He is our example of how to treat everyone
Totally agree.
 
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HisHolly

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Ask Him then. He does answer
Job tends to be the primary example. However, I wonder if that event was a little out of the norm of our reality. Was Father using that isolated event to educate us, or is it the spiritual standard operating procedure? I have questions...