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You seem to miss my whole point Reading a horoscope out of the newspaper or praying for a football team to win a game is equally as bad as the other abominations. You are bringing up the politics of it, which I addressed in he thread atheist agenda. You talk about straw man? That's part of the reasons atheists are pushing for Gay rights. To undermine Christianity. Every body does not have a political or religious agenda.
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Anyway getting back to this .... since you have stated the above are sin and equal to other abominations, if one has pictures on their wall of a landscape they may want to take them down since they are idolatry....so we can add that to the list too!

Also, I have been told that purchasing coffee from a chain restaurant is a sin.

So Mr. Bob can you find the bolded part above in Bible?

btw....all sin is not equal.
 
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Sodom and Gomorrah should give an insight into what God has said about the matter. God said it is an abomination which is pretty strong condemnation of this behavior.

All sin is an affront to God but God calls this sin specifically an abomination.

For the cause of Christ
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Anyway getting back to this .... since you have stated the above are sin and equal to other abominations, if one has pictures on their wall of a landscape they may want to take them down since they are idolatry....so we can add that to the list too!

Also, I have been told that purchasing coffee from a chain restaurant is a sin.

So Mr. Bob can you find the bolded part above in Bible?

btw....all sin is not equal.
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Deuteronomy 18:9, 12 & 14 NIV, "Do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there… The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so… Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord." Divination is actually regarded to be a grave sin. Declares 1 Samuel 15:23 NIV, "Rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry."

1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV, God emphatically states that we should "abstain from all appearance of evil."

Isaiah 47: 13-15
13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you.
14 Surely they are like stubble;
the fire will burn them up.
They cannot even save themselves
from the power of the flame.
These are not coals for warmth;
this is not a fire to sit by.
15 That is all they are to you—
these you have dealt with
and labored with since childhood.
All of them go on in their error;
there is not one that can save you.

If some loves sports, music, drugs, sex or pays more attention to anything more than worshiping God, I is idolatry. Art is not a sin but loving it can be.

(NIV) Exodus 20:22 & 23 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

Proverbs 6:16-19 16There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
79 verses concerning Abominations in the Bible.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Abominations
 
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calibob said:
Deuteronomy 18:9, 12 & 14 NIV, "Do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there… The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so… Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord." Divination is actually regarded to be a grave sin. Declares 1 Samuel 15:23 NIV, "Rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry."

1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV, God emphatically states that we should "abstain from all appearance of evil."

Isaiah 47: 13-15
13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you.
14 Surely they are like stubble;
the fire will burn them up.
They cannot even save themselves
from the power of the flame.
These are not coals for warmth;
this is not a fire to sit by.
15 That is all they are to you—
these you have dealt with
and labored with since childhood.
All of them go on in their error;
there is not one that can save you.

If some loves sports, music, drugs, sex or pays more attention to anything more than worshiping God, I is idolatry. Art is not a sin but loving it can be.

(NIV) Exodus 20:22 & 23 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

Proverbs 6:16-19 16There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
79 verses concerning Abominations in the Bible.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Abominations
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So then if we are to abstain from all appearance of evil.....why did you agree with post #480 ?

btw.....all sin is not equal .....some have more far reaching consequences and God does view some sins as greater. He did after all destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

In John 19:11, Jesus says to Pilate, “…he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” Jesus is saying that some sins are considered greater.
 
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UnderGrace said:
So then if we are to abstain from all appearance of evil.....why did you agree with post #480 ?

btw.....all sin is not equal .....some have more far reaching consequences and God does view some sins as greater. He did after all destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

In John 19:11, Jesus says to Pilate, “…he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” Jesus is saying that some sins are considered greater.
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Because being in the presence of sin does not equivocate being a part of it. Jesus never sinned!

The judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah was decided before the towns men decided to try and rape the Angels! They were pure evil. Rape is more than a sex crime. It's a violent crime about forcing a persons violent will upon another or others.

I've always believed that crimes against children are the worst. The consensus here elected that all sins are equal in Gods eyes. So you can take that up with the majority here.
 
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Because being in the presence of sin does not equivocate being a part of it. Jesus never sinned!

The judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah was decided before the towns men decided to try and rape the Angels! They were pure evil. Rape is more than a sex crime. It's a violent crime about forcing a persons violent will upon another or others.

I've always believed that crimes against children are the worst. The consensus here elected that all sins are equal in Gods eyes. So you can take that up with the majority here.
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Well Paul's words were written to the believers.... and it is a balance between our duty to other believers and those non believers around us, be it friends or family.

We need to be careful with this line of thinking that we would use it to justify going to a gay wedding ....
being in the presence of sin does not equivocate being a part of it. Jesus never sinned!
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since we would never go to an orgy to observe and perhaps try to witness....that really would be streeeeeeetching our freedom in Christ.

We "take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them" (Ephesians 5:11).

So you agree then not all sins are equal, excellent.:)
 
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New International Version
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

While it is better to pluck out an eye or cut off a hand if it causes us to sin. It would probably be better to become a Eunuch to the glory of God than to be a sex pervert. Child abusers and people that teach the occult to children are by far in a different class.

We could start a new thread. 'Sins of the flesh vs corruption of the soul.'
 
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UnderGrace said:
So then if we are to abstain from all appearance of evil.....why did you agree with post #480 .
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It seems you have trouble understanding that being in the presence of sin is not sin. Do you think Jesus sinned to be in the presence of sin? To say He did not is something everyone should agree with. It seems you take issue with that. How sad.
 
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calibob said:
New International Version
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

While it is better to pluck out an eye or cut off a hand if it causes us to sin. It would probably be better to become a Eunuch to the glory of God than to be a sex pervert. Child abusers and people that teach the occult to children are by far in a different class.

We could start a new thread. 'Sins of the flesh vs corruption of the soul.'
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Yes this is what I am thinking too......while it only takes one sin to fall short of perfect...... not all sins have the same effects on the world or people.
 
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Yes this is what I am thinking too......while it only takes one sin to fall short of perfect...... not all sins have the same effects on the world or people.
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cause and effect of sin. Sin will always be personal until sin affects others. A person who has a drinking problem (PC) is only a problem for him until he or she gets behind the wheel and drives and killed someone else. Now your sin has an effect on others. The same thing with Homosexuality, this too is a personal sin until it became a movement, now it has affected the family as God ordained the family to be.
 
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cause and effect of sin. Sin will always be personal until sin affects others. A person who has a drinking problem (PC) is only a problem for him until he or she gets behind the wheel and drives and killed someone else. Now your sin has an effect on others. The same thing with Homosexuality, this too is a personal sin until it became a movement, now it has affected the family as God ordained the family to be.
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Yes I would agree, however bear in mind that one requires a partner, or in the case of multiple partners and the risky activities, I think make a bit wider than personal....certainly the movement and agenda has far wider and far deeper effects.
 
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Yes I would agree, however bear in mind that one requires a partner, or in the case of multiple partners and the risky activities, I think make a bit wider than personal....certainly the movement and agenda has far wider and far deeper effects.
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cause and effect of sin. Sin will always be personal until sin affects others. A person who has a drinking problem (PC) is only a problem for him until he or she gets behind the wheel and drives and killed someone else. Now your sin has an effect on others. The same thing with Homosexuality, this too is a personal sin until it became a movement, now it has affected the family as God ordained the family to be.
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It seems rather short sighted to say excessive drinking is only a problem for the person who drinks until they kill someone while under the influence of alcohol. Perhaps if you read the family and/or prayer request forums, or were more in touch with reality, you would be able to recognize that the excessive consumption of alcohol (and other drugs) is a problem for others whether death by automobile while under the influence enters the equation or not. An Al-Anon meeting would help open your eyes :)
 
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It seems rather short sighted to say excessive drinking is only a problem for the person who drinks until they kill someone while under the influence of alcohol. Perhaps if you read the family and/or prayer request forums, or were more in touch with reality, you would be able to recognize that the excessive consumption of alcohol (and other drugs) is a problem for others whether death by automobile while under the influence enters the equation or not. An Al-Anon meeting would help open your eyes :)
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Alcoholism & Addiction is a Spiritual, Biological, Psychological, Social-problem that affects almost everyone from taxpayers, to insurance providers and rates, law enforcement, courts. Child and adult protective services.

Nutritional, physical and mental illness are affected too. Just to mention somethings besides automobile accidents, hospital, funeral, welfare and child/foster care expenses.
 
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There is a difference between acute and chronic addictive disorders as acute can be temporary and mere abstinence can be an effective treatment. While the chronic may cause or combine with other physical, emotional or mental disorders and thus is considered a legitimate disability by most medical societies.
 
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