The sin of refusing sex

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kaylagrl

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presidente said:
I have heard of such ideas promoted as proto-gnosticism. But your analysis of the passage sounds speculative. It is clear from the context what Paul is addressing. Speculation about the specifics of the contemporary issues in the congregation do not change what Paul wrote.
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This is going to come off as offensive, and I don't mean it to. Why are people who are not married arguing over a post directed toward sex in the context of marriage? This thread seemed straight forward to me. Now were discussing rape/abuse and other forms of sex. This is about a committed,healthy marriage is it not? Am I putting words in your mouth or did I totally miss the subject of this thread?
 
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EleventhHour

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presidente said:
I have heard of such ideas promoted as proto-gnosticism. But your analysis of the passage sounds speculative. It is clear from the context what Paul is addressing. Speculation about the specifics of the contemporary issues in the congregation do not change what Paul wrote.
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It actually puts it in context and its meaning and audience relevance to whom he was writing.
And no it is not speculation within of the context of the historical record and the full letter.
 
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Godsgirl83

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Who justified rape? I haven't read that in this thread.
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I believe all the talk about rape is due to post #239 on page 12, just before all the talk about masturbation began.
 
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Godsgirl83

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kaylagrl said:
Why are people who are not married arguing over a post directed toward sex in the context of marriage?
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kinda reminds me of people who don't have children but have ALL the answers for parenting and how to raise them.....
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I would hope that in a good marriage, each partner would understand that when the other is just not feeling into it, they just aren't. A good marriage will have that patience and understanding. We all go through things that exhaust us, stress us, and just make us not in the mood in general. To use a bible verse to almost threaten a spouse that they need to provide sex, or it's a sin? Wow, that's just over the top in my opinion.
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As I all things there are extremes and extenuating circumstances. If being too exhausted or stressed to tend to your wife's or husband's needs is standard operation then you are in deed in sin, and you need to find the cause and fix it. Because you will find yourself in a different sin, called divorce.
 
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Wow, there seems to be a real problem here. A guy brings up a scripture, and instead of discussing what it means,any jump to extremes and extenuating circumstances, and situations that don't even apply. This may be an example as to why the church is so ineffectual.
 
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EleventhHour

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Blackpowderduelist said:
As I all things there are extremes and extenuating circumstances. If being too exhausted or stressed to tend to your wife's or husband's needs is standard operation then you are in deed in sin, and you need to find the cause and fix it. Because you will find yourself in a different sin, called divorce.
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Divorce is not a sin and Paul was not making a statement about sinning.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Divorce is not a sin and Paul was not making a statement about sinning.
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Malachi 2:16
“The man who hates and divorces his wife,” says the LORD, the God of Israel, “does violence to the one he should protect,” says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful.
I would say doing violence to someone outside of self defense is sin. To do violence more over to one who you are to protect is definitely a sin.
So while Paul specifically isn't addressing sin directly he is saying "lest you fall into temptation" which is about sin.
So if one is charged with the responsibility to tend to and protect and care for another but does not do it, is that sin? Yes. To him that knows to do good but does not do it to him it is sin. Just because the Bible don't spell it out directly as sin don't mean it is not sin. There are many things that are not directly addressed in the bible. We are supposed to read and study and then know by virtue of biblical principal if a thing is good or bad. If it is bad it is sin.
 
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Godsgirl83

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Divorce is not a sin.
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Divorce, the way it is done so casually in the world today, IS sin.
I don't like you anymore so I'm looking for someone new to give me that warm and fuzzy feeling.
Me, me, me, I, I, I......
the Bible gives very few permissionable reasons for divorce, so again, just because "everyone's doing it" does not make it right.

Way to many men are walking around woman bashing with their crude jokes and as women it is VERY EASY to get offended, but guess what? Women are JUST AS GUILTY man bashing with their crude jokes.....
paints a very poor picture of how men and women are suppose to act towards one another, things that are over heard, repeated and instilled into the younger generations that we are brining up, who then grow up and enter relationships like "no big deal. If I tire of you I'll just throw this away and get a new one.
Actually, one of the saddest things I ever heard come from my kids mouth was shortly after starting school. In pre-k (so around 4 years old)
Hubs and I had some sort of disagreement, both were mad, a lot of tension in the air and I hear my (at that time) 4 years old, voice all sweet and innocent "why don't we just go find a new daddy?" :eek:
That's NOT something that was learned at home, and certainly NOT a subject I ever thought I would have to have with a 4 year old. But then I realized, they were in public school now, and a majority of kids they met already have been exposed to this and think it's normal and okay :(
(oh and by the way, whatever the situation was that caused disagreement and tension has long been forgotten.... We're still here, still married and better than ever :);) BUT the sound of my little one repeating that still rings quiet loudly in my ears)
 
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Divorce is a sin. God forgives all sin except one. Divorce is not the exception. If you are divorced, ask God to forgive you. He will forgive you. If you have been forgiven, move on. Remain in God's loving hands.
 
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Is it just me or am I the only one sensing a misogynistic vibe from this post?
 
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EleventhHour

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Billyd said:
Divorce is a sin. God forgives all sin except one. Divorce is not the exception. If you are divorced, ask God to forgive you. He will forgive you. If you have been forgiven, move on. Remain in God's loving hands.
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The Old Testament takes divorce as an already-established custom. Abuses were criticized, but the practice was not outlawed.
 
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EleventhHour

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true_believer said:
Is it just me or am I the only one sensing a misogynistic vibe from this post?
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If you mean the original post... absolutely has that vibe.
Not an apostolic command from Paul... the verse is out of context along with the meaning of the words in Greek.
 
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Billyd said:
Divorce is a sin. God forgives all sin except one. Divorce is not the exception. If you are divorced, ask God to forgive you. He will forgive you. If you have been forgiven, move on. Remain in God's loving hands.
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God Himself used the illustration of divorce in His own dealings with Israel.

Jeremiah 3:8 -- "Then I (the Lord) saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went out and played the harlot also."
 
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Godsgirl83

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I could be wrong on this observation, I'm certainly not going to go back through 15 pages and check, nor go to every profile for all those who have posted here, BUT I usually look at profiles at least once and if memory serves me right it seems to me that most (maybe not all, but definitely MOST ) those who are opposing this thread are either
1) single never married
2divorced/ and or remarried
3) married, but she's not fulfilling her role as wife ( and I don't mean spreading her legs every time her husband wants to....... )
4) married but abusing his role as husband (and I don't mean demanding things from his wife just to suit his physical desires)

like I said, just my observation.....
could be wrong
 
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I support the tread, but it has been taken to some odd places by many on here. It is a simple scripture so why all the drama?

I've saw a lot of odd posts that needed to be discussed more. With some of the comments, it would appear that some of the people posting have never been in a real relationship, but that is still ok, though. They need some instruction before even thinking about getting married.

With that being said, I find it weird that there are others going on about only people who are married (never been divorced or remarried, definitely not single) should be allowed to discuss this subject.

Was Paul the apostle married when he wrote that scripture? If not, should he have just shut up about it and let Peter deal with it, since Peter was married?

Seriously folks, this is weird, but I suppose there's always those CC experts here that know it all and don't even want to have a discussion and on the other hand, you've always got a few trolls throwing in some off the wall remarks, too...
 
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