The sin of refusing sex

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kaylagrl

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Some married women think they know everything. They have their comfy little lives and don't have a clue what others have to endure. So sad.

Some single women make judgment calls without knowing a person or their testimony. They don't know what they have endured, or faced in life so they assume everything is easy for them. If that woman asked for a testimony, they would be quite shocked and realize they should never assume. So sad.
 
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EleventhHour

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Is this nonsense thread still trending? I thought it was closed or something.
Agree.

I am not especially fond of taking scripture out of context and making it state something it does not.
 
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Godsgirl83

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Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
Exactly, and I think that is the point the OP was getting at.......
 
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EleventhHour

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I think the premise of this post is too generalized.
Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
This is the full quote in context.
 

IamLisa

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@kaylagrl 🙏 oh no Bless you..was just speaking in general kaylagrl. And was enjoying the dialogue from this forum. 🤗
 

Lanolin

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I dont think any of us should get involved with the OPS difficulties with their spouse. They should sort it out themselves...they married to be together so either be together or dont be together its up to them.
 

Dino246

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I dont think any of us should get involved with the OPS difficulties with their spouse. They should sort it out themselves...they married to be together so either be together or dont be together its up to them.
Agreed, but this is still a valid topic for discussion. Just because the OP asked the question does not mean that it is an issue in the OP's marriage. Would you consider it a valid question if an unmarried person asked it? Would you make the same assumptions?
 
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EleventhHour

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Agreed, but this is still a valid topic for discussion. Just because the OP asked the question does not mean that it is an issue in the OP's marriage. Would you consider it a valid question if an unmarried person asked it? Would you make the same assumptions?
If the OP dealt with the scripture honestly in context then yes ...it could be a valid topic for discussion.
 
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Godsgirl83

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Some married women think they know everything. They have their comfy little lives and don't have a clue what others have to endure. So sad.
In marriage (the way God designed it to be) wives are to submit to their husbands. That is not always a fun, easy or comfy task.
Then throw children into the mix.....
"dying to ones self" can be a very painful,( less than comfortable thing) at times.
A couple can appear to have it all together at church, appear to be a "perfect couple/ family" but no one other than them (except the Lord God Almighty) knows what life is really like behind closed doors.

So, that above quote really could read: Single women think they know everything. They have their comfy little lives( that revolve only around them since there is no husband to submit to ) and don't have a clue what others endure. So sad."

Just something to remember: All married women have been single at some point of their lives ;)

And let me just point this out:
15-20ish years ago I could very easily been guilty of the quoted post above. I was young, naive, single ( never really even having had a boyfriend) and in a church full of older married couples with families.
There were a few that seemed to have it all, seemed to have perfect, comfy , little lives. In fact I remember sitting and watching them walk around the church, everyone with smiles on. I remember thinking "boy, they have it all. I'd love to have what they have" And I remember feeling shunned when trying to talk with the wives about how beautiful their families were and the lovely example they were, only to have them quickly huff and mumble a "thanks" before running off. I remember my young, naive, single mind thinking "well that's rude"

Appearances can be deceiving......
Fast forward a few years........
They all ended in bitter divorces :(

before judging that a tree is good because it's producing fruit, better check that fruit and see its condition ;)
 
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Godsgirl83

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If the OP dealt with the scripture honestly in context then yes ...it could be a valid topic for discussion.
you keep bringing this up.......
I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know what you mean by this, so why don't you take us there?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Folks need to be careful who they marry.
 
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kaylagrl

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Folks need to be careful who they marry.
Yes, that is true. But that still doesn't mean you won't have issues. And sexual issues are one of the most problematic issues within marriages. Especially in Christian marriages where it seems to be taboo to deal honestly and openly with problems. I don't know that it would be a sin to refuse sex, but in a healthy and happy marriage, partners should not be refusing each other without good reason. That is what the verse is saying.
 
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In marriage (the way God designed it to be) wives are to submit to their husbands. That is not always a fun, easy or comfy task.
Then throw children into the mix.....
"dying to ones self" can be a very painful,( less than comfortable thing) at times.
A couple can appear to have it all together at church, appear to be a "perfect couple/ family" but no one other than them (except the Lord God Almighty) knows what life is really like behind closed doors.

So, that above quote really could read: Single women think they know everything. They have their comfy little lives( that revolve only around them since there is no husband to submit to ) and don't have a clue what others endure. So sad."

Just something to remember: All married women have been single at some point of their lives ;)

And let me just point this out:
15-20ish years ago I could very easily been guilty of the quoted post above. I was young, naive, single ( never really even having had a boyfriend) and in a church full of older married couples with families.
There were a few that seemed to have it all, seemed to have perfect, comfy , little lives. In fact I remember sitting and watching them walk around the church, everyone with smiles on. I remember thinking "boy, they have it all. I'd love to have what they have" And I remember feeling shunned when trying to talk with the wives about how beautiful their families were and the lovely example they were, only to have them quickly huff and mumble a "thanks" before running off. I remember my young, naive, single mind thinking "well that's rude"

Appearances can be deceiving......
Fast forward a few years........
They all ended in bitter divorces :(

before judging that a tree is good because it's producing fruit, better check that fruit and see its condition ;)
Something about saying the wife is supposed to submit rubs me the wrong way. I learned that a wife and husband are supposed to have a “partnership in god, which means the husband helps the wife when she needs it, and the wife helps the husband when he needs it”, I learned it a long time ago at church, and I feel this is correct.

When you look at Middle eastern and eastern countries, like Japan, where the husband has all the authority and final say on everything, I just don’t think that is healthy.

I’m sorry if I misinterpreted your words, but I felt like I needed to speak out, all Christian marriages I’ve seen, the husband and wife are on equal terms, no one is “submitting” to each other.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Yes, that is true. But that still doesn't mean you won't have issues. And sexual issues are one of the most problematic issues within marriages. Especially in Christian marriages where it seems to be taboo to deal honestly and openly with problems. I don't know that it would be a sin to refuse sex, but in a healthy and happy marriage, partners should not be refusing each other without good reason. That is what the verse is saying.
Another thing that would help is for men to stop looking at porn, and learn how to actually bring satisfaction to his wife, and for her to learn to help out with the timing and communication.
 

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Another thing that would help is for men to stop looking at porn, and learn how to actually bring satisfaction to his wife, and for her to learn to help out with the timing and communication.
Why do you suppose the man is not doing this? Maybe the wife needs to learn that. Right?
 
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kaylagrl

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Another thing that would help is for men to stop looking at porn, and learn how to actually bring satisfaction to his wife, and for her to learn to help out with the timing and communication.
Sure, ever hear a sermon on that? Nope. Ever hear an adult Sunday school lesson on that? Nope. So if we don't talk about it, how can we deal with these issues?
 
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kaylagrl

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Why do you suppose the man is not doing this? Maybe the wife needs to learn that. Right?

Where? Where does she learn that?? The church is still treating sex within a marriage like it's a dirty thing to be discussed. Meanwhile marriages are falling apart because they think they are the only ones.
 
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