The sin of refusing sex

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Magenta

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1ofthem said:
Was Paul the apostle married when he wrote that scripture? If not, should he have just shut up about it and let Peter deal with it, since Peter was married?
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Paul could have been married at one time. Perhaps he was a widower.
 
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1ofthem said:
I support the tread, but it has been taken to some odd places by many on here. It is a simple scripture so why all the drama?

I've saw a lot of odd posts that needed to be discussed more. With some of the comments, it would appear that some of the people posting have never been in a real relationship, but that is still ok, though. They need some instruction before even thinking about getting married.

With that being said, I find it weird that there are others going on about only people who are married (never been divorced or remarried, definitely not single) should be allowed to discuss this subject.

Was Paul the apostle married when he wrote that scripture? If not, should he have just shut up about it and let Peter deal with it, since Peter was married?

Seriously folks, this is weird, but I suppose there's always those CC experts here that know it all and don't even want to have a discussion and on the other hand, you've always got a few trolls throwing in some off the wall remarks, too...
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Except for the fact that Paul was not writing about the fact that refusing sex is a sin... so the entire OP is off right from the start.
 
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Godsgirl83 said:
I could be wrong on this observation, I'm certainly not going to go back through 15 pages and check, nor go to every profile for all those who have posted here, BUT I usually look at profiles at least once and if memory serves me right it seems to me that most (maybe not all, but definitely MOST ) those who are opposing this thread are either
1) single never married
2divorced/ and or remarried
3) married, but she's not fulfilling her role as wife ( and I don't mean spreading her legs every time her husband wants to....... )
4) married but abusing his role as husband (and I don't mean demanding things from his wife just to suit his physical desires)

like I said, just my observation.....
could be wrong
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I've agreed with most of your posts on this subject, but this one is just plain rude. Are you judging the folks in these groups you have listed? Should they not be allowed to have a discussion about this?
 
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Godsgirl83 said:
I could be wrong on this observation, I'm certainly not going to go back through 15 pages and check, nor go to every profile for all those who have posted here, BUT I usually look at profiles at least once and if memory serves me right it seems to me that most (maybe not all, but definitely MOST ) those who are opposing this thread are either
1) single never married
2divorced/ and or remarried
3) married, but she's not fulfilling her role as wife ( and I don't mean spreading her legs every time her husband wants to....... )
4) married but abusing his role as husband (and I don't mean demanding things from his wife just to suit his physical desires)

like I said, just my observation.....
could be wrong
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Perhaps the OP is lacking the biblical context and that is the reason for the opposition.
 
1ofthem

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Magenta said:
Paul could have been married at one time. Perhaps he was a widower.
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Yep, I saw that before as well. Some think Paul was a widower. He could have also been divorced for all I know, but at the moment he wrote this, I don't think he was currently married.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Except for the fact that Paul was not writing about the fact that refusing sex is a sin... so the entire OP is off right from the start.
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Could you please give the context here? I've always just read it to be straight forward for what it is saying, but I would like to know the context on it and other peoples thoughts on it as well. After all, that is how we learn.
 
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1ofthem said:
I support the tread, but it has been taken to some odd places by many on here. It is a simple scripture so why all the drama?

I've saw a lot of odd posts that needed to be discussed more. With some of the comments, it would appear that some of the people posting have never been in a real relationship, but that is still ok, though. They need some instruction before even thinking about getting married.

With that being said, I find it weird that there are others going on about only people who are married (never been divorced or remarried, definitely not single) should be allowed to discuss this subject.

Was Paul the apostle married when he wrote that scripture? If not, should he have just shut up about it and let Peter deal with it, since Peter was married?

Seriously folks, this is weird, but I suppose there's always those CC experts here that know it all and don't even want to have a discussion and on the other hand, you've always got a few trolls throwing in some off the wall remarks, too...
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Clearly some toes got stepped on. Be it pop culture ideology, or some guilt, there are some sore toes
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Clearly some toes got stepped on. Be it pop culture ideology, or some guilt, there are some sore toes
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Guess your right, lol...

Seriously though, something as simple as that scripture turns into rape, men abusing their wives, and all kinds of other creepy stuff...Then you've got others telling others not to even worry about it. They shouldn't even discuss it if they're single, divorced, remarried... etc.?

I mean really, the scripture doesn't seem hard to understand. This thread on the other hand....WOW....lol

I do agree with you here. A lot of this is coming from pop culture ideology or guilt or something. People definitely need educated on this issue so I still think the thread was a good idea.
 
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I think the premise of this post is too generalized.
Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
 
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true_believer said:
I think the premise of this post is too generalized.
Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
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Paul was not addressing this at all.
 
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1ofthem said:
With that being said, I find it weird that there are others going on about only people who are married (never been divorced or remarried, definitely not single) should be allowed to discuss this subject.
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I was the person who said that, thank you very much. And the reason I said it is because someone who is single came in talking about masturbation. Which has nothing to do with the thread or a committed marriage. Another poster who has never been married, so I'll assume they haven't had a sexual relationship, was talking about how sex should be in a marriage. How can you speak to something you've never experienced? If I don't have children and tell someone else how to raise children, are they going to take me seriously? No. That was my reason for saying there should be a marriage forum for subjects like this.
 
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true_believer said:
I think the premise of this post is too generalized.
Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
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Bible says not to let the sun go down on your anger...
 
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:unsure:I'll admit. I didn't see the op. I read a few posts sounded interesting so I chimed on in, as a single person. I'm here to learn. Everyone has something interesting to contribute to the thread, unless you are just trolling. Be it married or single. Either way, I hope my singleness isn't stepping on anyone's toes. :rolleyes: and I don't feel I went off topic. I think it's a good thing to grow from others. As a single who desires to be married one day, if it's God's will for me, why wouldn't I want to hear about married folks take on the subject...:sneaky: This is my season of preparation.
 
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true_believer said:
I think the premise of this post is too generalized.
Say a Christian couple gets into a major argument. if the husband or wife withholds intimacy after the disagreement, is that wrong?
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Yes. We can't hold on to bitterness after a disagreement. That's a good way to end in divorce.
I have been married for 25 years come December. I can promise you that I have experiential knowledge of what works and what hurts. I promise you that you don't get 25 years happy by holding on to hurts.
 
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Paul is giving some good advice here. I don't know why it's so hard lest you be so hard hearted that even scripture offends you.
Many years ago I knew a couple that after their baby was born the man decided that the wife had not lost her "baby weight" fast enough and was with holding sex. (I personally thought she was absolutely gorgeous and that her weight gain had done no harm to her beauty) I asked him if he was willing to be divorced over it? He scoffed. I warned him that if he didn't it was going to destroy their marriage. Again he scoffed. Then I told him that she is very attractive and that men will pick up on her need and will give her the attention he refused. Again he scoffed, saying I'm just trying to help her lose the extra pounds. Yeah, they got divorced a few months later. He was all broken up about it. I told him he was stupid. I haven't spoken to him since. I spoke to her one time after that, she was a wreck, emotionally injured very badly, and confidence shattered. She was broken. What an evil thing to do to someone. Indeed violence of heinous proportion had been delt her. It was sad to see her. If i see him again I will refuse any fellowship with him.
 
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IamLisa said:
:unsure:I'll admit. I didn't see the op. I read a few posts sounded interesting so I chimed on in, as a single person. I'm here to learn. Everyone has something interesting to contribute to the thread, unless you are just trolling. Be it married or single. Either way, I hope my singleness isn't stepping on anyone's toes. :rolleyes: and I don't feel I went off topic. I think it's a good thing to grow from others. As a single who desires to be married one day, if it's God's will for me, why wouldn't I want to hear about married folks take on the subject...:sneaky: This is my season of preparation.
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Not sure if this is directed at me, but you're not the person I was speaking of. Just wanted to make that clear.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Paul is giving some good advice here. I don't know why it's so hard lest you be so hard hearted that even scripture offends you.
Many years ago I knew a couple that after their baby was born the man decided that the wife had not lost her "baby weight" fast enough and was with holding sex. (I personally thought she was absolutely gorgeous and that her weight gain had done no harm to her beauty) I asked him if he was willing to be divorced over it? He scoffed. I warned him that if he didn't it was going to destroy their marriage. Again he scoffed. Then I told him that she is very attractive and that men will pick up on her need and will give her the attention he refused. Again he scoffed, saying I'm just trying to help her lose the extra pounds. Yeah, they got divorced a few months later. He was all broken up about it. I told him he was stupid. I haven't spoken to him since. I spoke to her one time after that, she was a wreck, emotionally injured very badly, and confidence shattered. She was broken. What an evil thing to do to someone. Indeed violence of heinous proportion had been delt her. It was sad to see her. If i see him again I will refuse any fellowship with him.
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I think your post sums up this thread perfectly. I believe this is what the OP was saying. The Bible says not to withhold sex for a reason. That's all that is being said.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I was the person who said that, thank you very much. And the reason I said it is because someone who is single came in talking about masturbation. Which has nothing to do with the thread or a committed marriage. Another poster who has never been married, so I'll assume they haven't had a sexual relationship, was talking about how sex should be in a marriage. How can you speak to something you've never experienced? If I don't have children and tell someone else how to raise children, are they going to take me seriously? No. That was my reason for saying there should be a marriage forum for subjects like this.
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Like I said previously, there were many different off topic things threw in here and yeah some were not appropriate. However, it appears there were other single folks trying to have a genuine discussion.

This should be an opportunity for anyone who wants to participate to have a discussion and hopefully learn and receive scriptural advice on this issue. After all that is how people learn. Most of the time preachers and teachers don't even attempt to discuss this topic so you have many people left to go off societal views instead of biblical views on the subject.
 
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Is this nonsense thread still trending? I thought it was closed or something.
 
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