Alexander Hamilton Chastises Pense

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CharlieGrown

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Again our constitution clearly says separation of church and state.
Please direct us precisely to where our constitution says anything about "separation of church and state".
 

Yeraza_Bats

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Separation of church and state. It's clearly written in the Constitution.
That literally in no way proved your statement : p

But, if Dude were president, all Christians would be executed.

Want me to defend my statement?

The right to bear arms. Its clearly written in the constitution.
 

Dude653

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#43
you have nothing to worry about

either way...you are good to go
Good Ole ad hominem... if you want a Christian theocracy then this will require a good deal of cherry picking. Which biblical principles do you want to make law? Do we put people in jail for lying or gossiping? Do we put people in jail for not paying their tithes?
 

notuptome

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Please direct us precisely to where our constitution says anything about "separation of church and state".
He and she won't comprehend the truth on this matter.

The constitution states that the government shall not establish any religion nor prohibit the free exercise of religion.

That does not mean that the church can have no part in how the government works nor that the church is not to influence from the bible what ethical standards should be expected and which standards are unacceptable.

Sodomy and abortion along with veracity are areas where the church is to establish the moral standard in and for the government.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

kodiak

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Under a Christian theocracy then only Christians would have constitutional rights. No where in the Bible are we instructed to force our Christianity on anyone
If it isn't in the Bible, why would it be in the Christian constitution?
 
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renewed_hope

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Good Ole ad hominem... if you want a Christian theocracy then this will require a good deal of cherry picking. Which biblical principles do you want to make law? Do we put people in jail for lying or gossiping? Do we put people in jail for not paying their tithes?
We don't live under the old testament law for one and two we have redemption under the new testament which means we can be forgiven. Yes there are always consequences for our actions but dude you have a twisted theology and I suggest reading the bible in its entirety and ask God to open your eyes to it and you will soon realize you are way off.
 

kodiak

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Separation of church and state. It's clearly written in the Constitution.
So all religions are allowed to be present in the U.S., but where do you believe right and wrong come from? Is murder wrong just because the government says so?
 

Dude653

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So all religions are allowed to be present in the U.S., but where do you believe right and wrong come from? Is murder wrong just because the government says so?
I sincerely hope someone doesn't need religion to know it's wrong to murder someone.. and yes our constitution allows freedom for all religions.
I don't remember the exact wording of it but it says something along the lines of there will be no legislation passed to respect one certain religion or to infringe on the rights of any religion
 

Dude653

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If you need religion to tell you it's wrong to murder then you might be a sociopath
 

Oncefallen

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Again our constitution clearly says separation of church and state.
I'm surprised no one has called you out on your re-write of the Constitution since you will not find the phrase "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution. The constitution clearly says that Congress shall make no law that creates an official State church nor prohibit persons the free exercise of religion. The phrase "great wall of separation church between and state" comes from a personal letter from Thomas Jefferson to a pastor of the Danbury Baptists assuring them that Presbyterianism would in no way become the official church of the United States.

Interestingly enough, the writers of our beloved Constitution did not see it as a violation of the establishment clause to make adultery punishable by imprisonment, sexual deviancy punishable by death, promote the Bible and prayer in schools, etc...... I'm wondering if you are one of those people who would insist that the founding fathers didn't understand the Constitution (yes, they exist).
 
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renewed_hope

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I sincerely hope someone doesn't need religion to know it's wrong to murder someone.. and yes our constitution allows freedom for all religions.
I don't remember the exact wording of it but it says something along the lines of there will be no legislation passed to respect one certain religion or to infringe on the rights of any religion
Can you stop calling it religion and Christians religious? It's very insulting, buddy. Yes, I'm Christian, but I'm not judgemental and work hard not to be so please refrain from using that term to describe Christians like myself.

Just so you know, Christianity is my faith, not my religion
 

Dude653

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Can you stop calling it religion and Christians religious? It's very insulting, buddy. Yes, I'm Christian, but I'm not judgemental and work hard not to be so please refrain from using that term to describe Christians like myself.

Just so you know, Christianity is my faith, not my religion
so do you not murder people just because the Bible tells you you're not supposed to or because you know as a human being that it's wrong
 

Dude653

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It's a common misconception that our founding fathers were Christian. Most of them were deist
 
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renewed_hope

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so do you not murder people just because the Bible tells you you're not supposed to or because you know as a human being that it's wrong
I never brought up murder, you did. In fact I was brought up and learned from an early age murder is a sin and goes against the bible and is illegal here on earth
 

Dude653

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Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That means separation of church and state
 

Billyd

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Dude, is murder of an unborn child okay? Some interpreters of the Constitution (SCOTUS) believe.

No true Christian can accept the murder of unborn child as an inalienable right.
 

Dude653

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Dude, is murder of an unborn child okay? Some interpreters of the Constitution (SCOTUS) believe.

No true Christian can accept the murder of unborn child as an inalienable right.
No. But you can't use that one example to rationalize Christian theocracy
 

maxwel

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You're either dumb, deliberately lying, or all three.
Fyi...
whenever anyone poses this statement to ME...
I always opt for "dumb".

"Dumb" is usually the best excuse for whatever I've just done.

"Dumb" is almost like a "get of jail free card"... it's a beautiful thing.

"Max, what's your deal? Are you just an IDIOT?"
"Yes."

BAM... end of argument.
:)