Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[Shilohsfoal]

“To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates”

“The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.”


And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed


And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.


I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.


The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.


He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates

Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name: “If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”


“I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”


And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.


For all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.

“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.”

So you are saying that Jesus is not Israel or that God has taken his kingdom he promised him and has given it to the antichrist which you support?

You also believe the antichrist will reign forever?

 

[SomeDisciple]

m talking about a place on earth which Gog and the nations come against in scripture.

If you don't think that it's Yahweh Shammah it wouldn't surprise me at all; considering most people like to pretend Ezek 40-48 isn't there.

 

[cv5]

“To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates”

“The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.”


And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed


And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.


I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.


The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.


He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates

Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name: “If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”


“I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”


And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.


For all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.

“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.”

Part and parcel of the New Covenant of course....
Anyone who decares otherwise should tread lightly. Then reconsider. Then repent in tears.

Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

 

[cv5]

Part and parcel of the New Covenant of course....
Anyone who decares otherwise should tread lightly. Then reconsider. Then repent in tears.

Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

This New Covenant is that which we enter in. Now. And have been for the last 2000 years.
ISRAEL the nation will ALSO enter in. Later. At the end of the tribulation.

Heb 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If you don't think that it's Yahweh Shammah it wouldn't surprise me at all; considering most people like to pretend Ezek 40-48 isn't there.

I haven't said anything about Yahweh Shammah.You are

I quoted scripture which you apparently don't comprehend .

Do you see the words Yahweh Shammah in here somewhere?

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Or do you see them here?

Daniel 7

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


Perhaps ,since you are late to the party,I will fill you in on a little something.We were discussing the little horn that rules the land that will later be given to the saints.
The little horns kingdom.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I haven't said anything about Yahweh Shammah.You are

Yes; which is why I asked if that was the location of the camp of the saints and beloved city that you were talking about. Apparently not; that's fine.

I quoted scripture which you apparently don't comprehend

Maybe.

erhaps ,since you are late to the party,I will fill you in on a little something.We were discussing the little horn that rules the land that will later be given to the saints.
The little horns kingdom.

I did read the thread; (and have been since it started) and can follow the concepts you are talking about. I was wondering if that land that you say will be given to the saints is the land laid out in Ezekiel.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes; which is why I asked if that was the location of the camp of the saints and beloved city that you were talking about. Apparently not; that's fine.

Maybe.

I did read the thread; (and have been since it started) and can follow the concepts you are talking about. I was wondering if that land that you say will be given to the saints is the land laid out in Ezekiel.

The beloved city is Jerusalem in the land of Israel. That is where the little horn reigns now and will continue to reign till his kingdom is taken away and consumed.Then that kingdom will be given to the saints for an everlasting possession.

Daniel 7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


There are so many people on this site who support the little horn that they believe he will reign forever.Its as if they believe he is God's chosen king of Israel or something.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I'm a Christian.Im.not a Jew who rejects Christ.

I'd be very, very careful of what I said if I were you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I'd be very, very careful of what I said if I were you.

You planning on killing me because I'm a Christian or you know a lot of Jews who kill christians?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I'd be very, very careful of what I said if I were you.

You still have not answered the question.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.



Do you support all antichrists or just antichrist Jews?

 

[Cameron143]

I haven't read where anyone saw Jesus come in the clouds
But if you say they wrote about his coming in the bible ,can you quote the verse where those witnesses saw him coming in the ouds?

I just told you the Apostles were all dead except John at that point. The book of Revelation was already written. There was no more scripture written. But everyone who wrote about the return of Jesus wrote about it as though it was about to happen. Jesus Himself said these things would come upon the present generation. Three times in the first 7 verses of Revelation reference is made to the present time. Paul said not all of his audience would pass before the return of Jesus.
They were all speaking to 1st century audiences. Were they misrepresenting truth?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Why do some people who claim to be christians call other christians antisemite if they oppose antichrist?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I just told you the Apostles were all dead except John at that point. The book of Revelation was already written. There was no more scripture written. But everyone who wrote about the return of Jesus wrote about it as though it was about to happen. Jesus Himself said these things would come upon the present generation. Three times in the first 7 verses of Revelation reference is made to the present time. Paul said not all of his audience would pass before the return of Jesus.
They were all speaking to 1st century audiences. Were they misrepresenting truth?

Jesus never said the present generation.
He only said this generation speaking of unbelieving Jews.

Well ,this generation Jesus was speaking of is still here.It appeared to have been killed when it received a mortal wound ,but the deadly wound has been healed.


I'm not sure when you believe this generation stoped existing.Sometime after John wrote revelation.?

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus never said the present generation.
He only said this generation speaking of unbelieving Jews.

Well ,this generation Jesus was speaking of is still here.It appeared to have been killed when it received a mortal wound ,but the deadly wound has been healed.


I'm not sure when you believe this generation stoped existing.Sometime after John wrote revelation.?

The generation was the one He was talking to. Take a look at Revelation 1:7. Who are those which pierced Him?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The generation was the one He was talking to. Take a look at Revelation 1:7. Who are those which pierced Him?

If Jesus had to come before they died then Jesus would have had to come before 36 ad when the high priest Caiaphas died.
What year are you claiming Caiaphas saw Jesus coming in the clouds?



62 The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You offer no answer for what these men are testifying against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I place You under oath by the living God, to tell us whether You are the [e]Christ, the Son of God.” 64 Jesus *said to him, “You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The generation was the one He was talking to. Take a look at Revelation 1:7. Who are those which pierced Him?

You still have not said what year you believe all eyes saw Jesus.
Far as I know,they may see him during the resurection.

Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[Cameron143]

If Jesus had to come before they died then Jesus would have had to come before 36 ad when the high priest Caiaphas died.
What year are you claiming Caiaphas saw Jesus coming in the clouds?



62 The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You offer no answer for what these men are testifying against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I place You under oath by the living God, to tell us whether You are the [e]Christ, the Son of God.” 64 Jesus *said to him, “You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

I would have to read the full passage, but you don't list it. But that isn't the passage where Jesus says this generation. It doesn't require every person of the generation to see it for it to come upon that particular generation.
Now you...Revelation 1:7. Who are those who pierced Him?

 

[Cameron143]

You still have not said what year you believe all eyes saw Jesus.
Far as I know,they may see him during the resurection.

Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

70AD. The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You still have not answered the question.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.



Do you support all antichrists or just antichrist Jews?

Yep, I did, gave a lengthy answer. Look back.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You planning on killing me because I'm a Christian or you know a lot of Jews who kill christians?

You really don't have any sense or discernment at all. It's a warning. I would be careful of what I said if I were you.