European refugee crisis: tensions mounting, nations reacting

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AgeofKnowledge

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That's exactly what's occurred. Most are on welfare and unemployed. Many engage in criminal activities to afford the bling they love so much.

"High crime rates and dependency on the social welfare system also contribute to European feelings that there is a Muslim problem." That's a quote from pro-Muslim immigration, radical left, one-world government supporting Council of Foreign Relations.

Now read this: Muslim Immigrants Draining European Social Benefits*

And it's growing worse over time, not better. But despite Muslim immigration costing enormous sums of money, creating havoc across Europe, and Muslims fomenting for civilization replacement with their religion and culture; EU leaders are working to give Muslims easier access to Europe and Arabs expect this from them.


If these people are not contributing economically they will either become part of the social grant systems in place (to assist local citizens)...
 
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AOK - I do believe there are legitamate issues of concern about this mass movement for European residents and their governments. I also believe this is a world issue and to not turn our backs on a humanitarian crisis though.

You do tend to make strong claims and reference them - I check those references out. This last one was from "the American Centre for Democracy" whose mission is very anti-islamic. The specific page you linked cites all sorts of facts about islamic refugees who have multiple wives so they can collect extra benefits and then the kids wear designer shoes because the whole family is involved in organised crime gangs.

Now I looked at all the references they used to back up their claim - I think you should too. Some references have absolutely nothing to do with the claim they made. Some references are from sites similar to theirs. In other words they generally do not use any objective data at all - I mean for a start they should use criminal statistics of European law enforcement agencies - but they dont.

I cant vaildate if your right or wrong - I do think there are legitamate concerns for social upheaval - but when posts are stated with references based on emotive/biased ideas and not objective data it does nothing for the credibility of the argument.
 
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Please note that the American Center for Democracy (ACD) is a notable non-partisan, non-profit organization which identifies strategies used by radical regimes and movements to subvert America’s Judeo-Christian values, Constitutional rights and political and economic systems.

R. James Woolsey, former Director of Central Intelligence and board member of the ACD said “The ACD’s ability to predict future threats is second to none.“

It's director is non other than Rachel Ehrenfeld, notable expert on terrorism and corruption-related topics who lectures internationally advising banking communities, law enforcement agencies, and governments. The anti-libel terrorist "Rachel’s Law" is named after her.

The rest of the team: Our Team
 
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That's exactly what's occurred. Most are on welfare and unemployed. Many engage in criminal activities to afford the bling they love so much.

"High crime rates and dependency on the social welfare system also contribute to European feelings that there is a Muslim problem." That's a quote from pro-Muslim immigration, radical left, one-world government supporting Council of Foreign Relations.

Now read this: Muslim Immigrants Draining European Social Benefits*

And it's growing worse over time, not better. But despite Muslim immigration costing enormous sums of money, creating havoc across Europe, and Muslims fomenting for civilization replacement with their religion and culture; EU leaders are working to give Muslims easier access to Europe and Arabs expect this from them.
Immigrants in a lot of European countries are more likely to be educated and work than their home-born counterparts. In fact a recent Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration study shows that immigrants are almost three times more likely to be educated than born Britons. Aside from that, let's be honest: what incentive is there for anybody to work when our economic policies allow most employers to pay the vast majority of their employees wages that only just cover a small rental, food, clothing and travel until the end of each month? If I was better off on benefits, I wouldn't work either. The employer who pays the minimum wage (which is ridiculously little in the UK and Ireland) is effectively saying "I cannot legally value your services any less than I currently do". Until that changes, the lower classes will continue to begrudge labor and those who control wage-rates.


As for your sources, they're totally biased. There are no governmental statistics whatsoever -- just anti-Islamic conjectures. It's a pretty accurate assumption to make that in most of Muslim relationships the man in the family will be the only person who works. That means that for every two Muslims who end up in Europe, we would expect one not to work; that means a 50% employment rate among Muslims is every man works. Now, if we apply the average percentage rate of in-born European citizens who don't work (which is roughly 9.5%), and divide that by two (4.75%) and take that away from the 50% (50-4.75 = 45.25%) then we can assume that we should see around 45% of Muslims (all male) in the EU, working.

The number is in fact much higher. In the UK, for instance, 82% of Muslim women work (Labour Force Survey (2002-2013), Longitudinal Study of Young People in England (2004-2010), Understanding Society (2009)), while Muslim men are typically around the average employment rate.

As well as this, the size of Muslim populations (and immigrant populations in general) in European countries are vastly overestimated by the home populations, while Christian populations are vastly underestimated.

There is really not a huge difference between employment rates for nationals, and Muslim immigrants. Considering the social status of Muslims and the expectation that father's would be the bread winners and Muslim wives and women wouldn't work (which is actually the typical Christian family archetype as well as the typical Muslim one) we see that this is not really the case.
 
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Perhaps if you can look at it in a slightly different light, taking the US as an example, there are 50 states in the mainland USA which is a gigantic land mass where people can travel between states by car, plane, train, bus, and there are also a few territories offshore that people can either take a plane or a boat to, offshore territories which when combined aren't much bigger than the UK, while Europe is also a large land mass, with the exception of the UK and Ireland, which are islands, like the American offshore territories.

A member of any US territory or state, has practically free access to any of the other US territories or states, and the same principle applies with the EU member states.

The basic principles of the EU constitution are that when states become member states, populations can shift and migrate across, through and between other member states, kind of like how people can shift between the US states. It allows for social mobility across all Europe, which is great for graduates, working citizens and people who fancy living in a different European country. For instance, you or I (two people who have British citizenship) can go to France and receive the French benefits and settle in France to live and work, the same way a Frenchman could come to the UK and do likewise. And I, as a person who intends to spend a portion of my life living in different European states, am happy that I have such an opportunity. If I go to France with a job, I can get the same rights as a Frenchy, and if I fall on hard times, I have some leeway what with benefits and help to get back into work. Really, in that regard, as far as European Union citizens are concerned, immigration between member states is not very much different than a US citizen travelling between US states. EU citizens have, more or less, the same rights in each member state as their do in their home state. And an interesting fact regarding the UK's place in this: the immigrant population of the UK actually pay, relative to their population size, more taxes (when taken as a whole) than born-and-bred British citizens, and they are also, relative to their size, nearly three times as likely to have university degrees, so I don't necessarily think the point about weak immigration policies is valid. Perhaps the point about economic migrants is more valid. I do know that many asylum seekers (and remember, those aren't the same as EU immigrants) come to the UK in order to escape certain situations in their home countries, and they end up not working, at least for a considerable term, but I'm not sure that this is the big issue that people make it out to be, because the UK is only taking less than 20,000 asylum seekers (not EU immigrants) per year.

The numbers of Syrian or African asylum seekers who are currently coming to the UK, which is only a few thousand, is really not a fair portrayal of the entire immigrant population, nor is it a significant drain on resources when we consider the entire immigrant population as a whole, compared to the UK born nationals. I have dual citizenship between the UK and Ireland and, I suppose, the reason that I tend to get to heated about this topic is because I see a very black-and-white, staunch nationalistic anti-immigration attitude a lot, but in both countries (the UK and Ireland) the situation is fairly similar: it's actually the born-and-bred citizens who, proportionally, are more of a drain on the economy than immigrants are.

I don't know how many times I've been in Belfast city and walked by a house with the words "Polish, get out" or "No n*****s are welcome here" spray-painted on the front wall, and when you watch the news and read the papers, there's a great irony in it:

"Polish family of five forced out of their home by threatening thugs.

Mr and Mrs Baczewski, residents of the *insert area here*, came home from work on Friday afternoon after receiving a call from their babysitter notifying them that the police had been called, due to a small group of men and women gathering outside their home. The group began throwing stones at the windows and terrorizing the children. The mob, identified as a group of unemployed twenty-somethings, shouted anti-Polonist abuse at the childminder while the two young children were sat terrified in the living room".

The people who are most against immigration, at least where I come from, continually talk about how immigrants are "stealing our jobs" and "draining our economy", and those same people, more often than not, are the type of unemployed, uneducated dimwits who have the free time on a Friday afternoon to terrorize an innocent young family, instead of getting themselves to a college or an employment office.

I have a few close friends who are foreign and I know that they have endured some really tough times trying to educate themselves and get by in the UK, because even when they work and study, they aren't entitled to the same benefits as UK citizens until they have served their citizenship period. They would get serious abuse about their nationality, about being immigrants, at least once a fortnight when we were in college together, and the both of them worked two jobs at times, while they studied. So it's very much something that gets under my skin when immigrants are painted with this "lazy scroungers" brush. I know from experience that it isn't the case.
Well as Ireland is in the EU perhaps us UK citizens should migrate there. I am sure the native population will greet a few million of us with open arms. My Great Grandmother came from Tipperary many UK citizens have a similar tenuous link with the old country perhaps we should all apply for citizenship.
 
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tanach, the resident CC apologist may choose to live in a fantasy world of denial, string together false assertions, ignore history, discount reputable statistics which don't comport with his false view, and engage in direct and blatant name calling but we certainly aren't going to do so.

See: WebCite query result

See: Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam

"Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain, at 13 per cent. This was about three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 3 and 8 per cent...

Muslim women were considerably more likely than other women to be economically inactive. More than two thirds (68 per cent) of Muslim women of working age were economically inactive compared with no more than a third of women of working age in each of the other groups. Christian women were least likely to be economically inactive (25 per cent)."

-Source: Labour Force Survey, Office for National Statistics

^ And note that's a big step from the situation in most other EU countries and the rest of the non-Islamic world.



The Last Days of Europe: Epitaph for an Old Continent: Walter Laqueur: 9780312541835: Amazon.com: Books
 
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"The Jersey City Board of Education voted last week not to close schools for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, one of the most important holidays for Muslims. School board members in New Jersey made their decision Thursday despite appeals from Muslim attendees who showed up to advocate that the board change the school schedule. At one point, things became so heated that an official urged security to 'take charge' of the situation. At least one person was seen on video being escorted from the meeting."

This is in the U.S.. Zero assimilation, only escalating attempts to force Islam on non-Muslims wherever they get a foothold.

Muslim Parent Warns School Board ‘We’re Going to Be the Majority Soon’ as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed | Video | TheBlaze.com
 
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"The Jersey City Board of Education voted last week not to close schools for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, one of the most important holidays for Muslims. School board members in New Jersey made their decision Thursday despite appeals from Muslim attendees who showed up to advocate that the board change the school schedule. At one point, things became so heated that an official urged security to 'take charge' of the situation. At least one person was seen on video being escorted from the meeting."
Maybe the board official knew this was coming:

Well over 400 hajjis trampled to death in stampede near Mecca
 
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tanach, the resident CC apologist may choose to live in a fantasy world of denial, string together false assertions, ignore history, discount reputable statistics which don't comport with his false view, and engage in direct and blatant name calling but we certainly aren't going to do so.

See: WebCite query result

See: Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam

"Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain, at 13 per cent. This was about three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 3 and 8 per cent...

Muslim women were considerably more likely than other women to be economically inactive. More than two thirds (68 per cent) of Muslim women of working age were economically inactive compared with no more than a third of women of working age in each of the other groups. Christian women were least likely to be economically inactive (25 per cent)."

-Source: Labour Force Survey, Office for National Statistics

^ And note that's a big step from the situation in most other EU countries and the rest of the non-Islamic world.



The Last Days of Europe: Epitaph for an Old Continent: Walter Laqueur: 9780312541835: Amazon.com: Books
The 4% unemployment rate was for Christian women, not men, while Muslim women's unemployment rate was, as I said, 18%. You're using the same study I just referenced, and changing the statistics to suit your agenda.
 
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No, you're wrong. The quote I used was verbatim. If you had the sense to click on the link I posted you would clearly see that in the National Statistics WebCite query result.

I don't mind you spouting nonsense but the name calling and false information need to go. Moving along...

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‘Muslims Lives Matter’ Demonstrators Clash With Police In Rotherham


The 4% unemployment rate was for Christian women, not men, while Muslim women's unemployment rate was, as I said, 18%. You're using the same study I just referenced, and changing the statistics to suit your agenda.
 
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Here's the National Statistics WebCite Query result for Britain verbatim:

"Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women.

In 2003-2004, Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain. At 14 per cent, this was over three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 5 and 11 per cent.

Among women, Muslims again had the highest unemployment rate, at 15 per cent. This was almost four times the rate for Christian women (4 per cent). Hindus (11 per cent) and Buddhists (10 per cent) had the next highest rates. Unemployment rates for women in the other religious groups were between 5 and 8 per cent.

Unemployment rates were highest among those aged under 25 for all the religious groups. Muslims aged 16 to 24 years had the highest unemployment rates of all. They were twice as likely as Christians of the same age to be unemployed – 22 per cent compared with 11 per cent.

Although unemployment rates for older Muslims were lower, there was a greater difference between their unemployment rates and those for people from other religious backgrounds. For example, Muslims aged 25 to 34 years were more than three times as likely as Christians of the same age to be unemployed – 14 per cent and 4 per cent respectively.


Men and women of working age from the Muslim faith are also more likely than other groups in Great Britain to be economically inactive, that is, not available for work and/or not actively seeking work. Reasons include being a student, being disabled, or looking after the family and home.

Among working age men, Muslims had the highest overall levels of economic inactivity in 2003-2004 – 30 per cent compared with 16 per cent of Christians. This is partly explained by the young age profile of Muslims and the correspondingly high proportion of students. However, among older men of working age, Muslims also had the highest levels of economic inactivity, largely due to ill health.

Within each religious group women were more likely than men to be economically inactive. The main reason was that they were looking after the family and home. Muslim women were considerably more likely than other women to be economically inactive. More than two thirds (68 per cent) of Muslim women of working age were economically inactive compared with no more than a third of women of working age in each of the other groups. Christian women were least likely to be economically inactive (25 per cent)."



Source: Labour Force Survey, Office for National Statistics

WebCite query result
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I would think British citizens would not want UK judges give lesser sentences to Muslim child molesters when they molest non-Muslim children rather than Muslim children.

Child molester given longer sentence as victims are Asian - Telegraph

I have to agree with the NSPCC spokesman who said:

“British justice should operate on a level playing field and children need to be protected irrespective of cultural differences. Regardless of race, religion, or gender, every child deserves the right to be safe and protected from sexual abuse, and the courts must reflect this. It is vital that those who commit these hideous crimes are punished to the full limit of the law.”

While I understand the judges reasoning, the fact is that this idea that crimes against Muslims merit harsher punishment than crimes against non-Muslims is a slippery slope.
 
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Young people being educated, and women looking after the home, aren't bad things, and the latter is part of Abrahamic religious traditions all over the world. I don't see why lots of Muslim youngsters getting an education is an issue, nor why lots of women deciding to stay at home and look after the kids, is an issue.

As for middle aged Muslim men being less likely to work, there is little or no information in this study about why middle aged Muslim men are less likely to work. I suspect it's because many are first or second generation and have little education, as well as that Muslims in general are at various social disadvantages due to their religious and cultural affiliations, hence, I might add, the proportionately high number of 16-24 year old Muslims who are at university educating themselves.
 
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I would think British citizens would not want UK judges give lesser sentences to Muslim child molesters when they molest non-Muslim children rather than Muslim children.

Child molester given longer sentence as victims are Asian - Telegraph

I have to agree with the NSPCC spokesman who said:

“British justice should operate on a level playing field and children need to be protected irrespective of cultural differences. Regardless of race, religion, or gender, every child deserves the right to be safe and protected from sexual abuse, and the courts must reflect this. It is vital that those who commit these hideous crimes are punished to the full limit of the law.”

While I understand the judges reasoning, the fact is that this idea that crimes against Muslims merit harsher punishment than crimes against non-Muslims is a slippery slope.
Correlation does not imply causation -- that the judge handed a lesser sentence to a specific molester who molested a non-Muslim than another judge handed to a another specific Muslim molester who molested a Muslim, does not mean that the judge handed out the lesser sentence in the first instance just BECAUSE the child was a non-Muslim.

All criminal offences in the UK carry harsher sentences if there are aggravating factors, and lesser sentences if they are mitigating factors -- that the child is Muslim or non-Muslim in no way legally affects sentencing.

The comment regarding protection of youngsters is misleading in implying that youngsters are not protected under law -- that both molesters ended up in prison clearly proves otherwise: molestation is illegal regardless of religious affiliations. You're mounting a case for all Muslims being cheating, lying, child molesting murderers, based on faulty logic, manipulative assertions, assumption, subjective bias and bigotry. These articles have nothing of relevance to the Syrian refugee crisis.

And before you reply with some faulty conclusion that my arguments mean I support child molesters, that's not the case. I believe in life imprisonment and voluntary hormone therapy, for child molesters: the UK government does not.
 
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Keep swilling the Kool-Aid until you're teeth rot out but the statistics are clear, even though you're obviously unable to understand them. I know better. Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says"

Well, off to do some work. Have bills to pay unlike the uneducated unemployed Muslims on welfare in Britain who refuse to assimilate.
 
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AgeOfKnowledge have you ever been through a hard day in your life? Ever been a refugee, for instance? Have you ever had a girlfriend, a spouse, or kids, and had to make impossible decisions for their safety in a warzone? Have you ever suffered abuse, trauma, neglect, or hardship? Have you ever sat down in your bed at night and wished the universe would swallow you up?

I ask because, what I generally find in life is that the people who have the most robotic characters, the least empathy, and the most uncompromising views of other human beings, are often the ones who have never had to endure any real character building hardships -- the ones who have never had to go through things like addiction, eviction, personal upheaval, major traumas, domestic violence, war, conflict or illness. You perfectly fit that description. I meet lots (and I mean lots) of self-aggrandizing narcissists who'd rather plunge themselves into the depths of bigotry and prejudice than have a little compassion for their fellow human beings, and they all have one thing in common: serious superiority complexes.

There's an easy way that you can tell if you are one of them. Do you ever think that if the world was led by your rules, that if everyone thought the same way that you do and acted the same way that you do and lived by the same rules as you do and made the same personal decisions that you do, that the world would be a perfect place? I think you must, because any views presented on any topic, which run contrary to yours, you meet with utter dismissal, as though yours is the only opinion in the world that has any merit. Anything else is, as you like to call it, "a fallacious false assertion", and the person making it is "swilling the Kool-Aid", "unable to understand statistics", "spouting nonsense", is "a leftard", "lives in a fantasy world of denial", "ignores history" and "engages in direct and blatant name calling" (as opposed to the subversive, passive name calling that you yourself like to indulge in).

For a man who reports people on CC for making ad hominem attacks, you surely aren't shy about utilizing that strategy yourself.

It has me giggling.