I've lost faith in the church
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A job and hierarchy are not the same thing. Our employers have their own master in Heaven.
I never said Satan wrote those Scriptures, but he knows his bible too, as evidenced during his tempting Jesus in the desert. He knows how to use Scripture against people and how to twist it for his own use. As I said before, he knows the church will only be half as effective as it should be when only half of its people are out preaching.
I have studied the Greek and Hebrew too, and the CONTEXT!
God gave both Adam and Eve the mandate to rule the world. This was before sin entered the world. Are we seriously going to believe that a hierarchy is something God wants when it wasn't part of the original state of the world to begin with? I thought Jesus wanted us to restore all things. Guess I was mistaken.
I never said Satan wrote those Scriptures, but he knows his bible too, as evidenced during his tempting Jesus in the desert. He knows how to use Scripture against people and how to twist it for his own use. As I said before, he knows the church will only be half as effective as it should be when only half of its people are out preaching.
I have studied the Greek and Hebrew too, and the CONTEXT!
God gave both Adam and Eve the mandate to rule the world. This was before sin entered the world. Are we seriously going to believe that a hierarchy is something God wants when it wasn't part of the original state of the world to begin with? I thought Jesus wanted us to restore all things. Guess I was mistaken.
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History princess.
I can understand your frustration, but Jesus got there first. See the first
few chapters of revelations and the letters to the churches.
Incidentally if your own church has murderers and rapists and abusers.
Then call the police and leave the church .... if they are going
unchallenged.
Also I’m afraid you can’t cop of out going to church and calling yourself a
Christian, just because you are offended by news items about so called
Christians.
The church is the bride of Christ. It’s not your place to give up on church
even Jesus didn’t and hasn’t gone that far - are you wiser and better than Jesus?
Rather than suggesting you are not bothering any more, if it bothers you so
much why not do something about it.
Preach the gospel, set up a mission, support a mission. Hey why not even
Support a prison ministry.
Whether you like it or not, the church is the bride of Christ.
Revelation 22:16-17 NKJV
[16] "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears
say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him
take the water of life freely.
I can understand your frustration, but Jesus got there first. See the first
few chapters of revelations and the letters to the churches.
Incidentally if your own church has murderers and rapists and abusers.
Then call the police and leave the church .... if they are going
unchallenged.
Also I’m afraid you can’t cop of out going to church and calling yourself a
Christian, just because you are offended by news items about so called
Christians.
The church is the bride of Christ. It’s not your place to give up on church
even Jesus didn’t and hasn’t gone that far - are you wiser and better than Jesus?
Rather than suggesting you are not bothering any more, if it bothers you so
much why not do something about it.
Preach the gospel, set up a mission, support a mission. Hey why not even
Support a prison ministry.
Whether you like it or not, the church is the bride of Christ.
Revelation 22:16-17 NKJV
[16] "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears
say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him
take the water of life freely.
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Anyone committing the crimes and abuses you mentioned is not a Christian. NOT a Christian,from the pope/pastor on down. God will hold these people accountable if they do not repent. IF they do it's more than just saying "I'm sorry." Paul mourned for his sins and called himself the greatest of all sinners. He was broken and God saw his heart and forgave him.
If your church doesn't hold people accountable, find one that does. Our small church had a couple in it that were sleeping together while not being married and bragging that they were living off the gov't. Our pastor took them aside and told them they needed to get married and he needed to get a job and look after his new baby. They got offended and left. One of their family members that was on the board left a few months later. The pastor got up and addressed the church. He said what he told them, and that according to the Bible they were wrong. He said he would always preach according to the Bible and those that disagreed could feel free to leave. He's a quiet person,he's not one for drama,very steady man. But he stands his ground when it counts. Find a church with a pastor that stands for the truth no matter what.
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Well, do we trust that God is love and also righteousness?
It doesnt matter what people teach.
Our father is looking in our hearts and he knows who we are really. Which motives are behind our sayings an actings.
We should let him judge!
And for him every little sin is the same like a "big" sin. We all need forgiveness.
And we have to recognize, that the world already has taken place in our churches. It is difficult to find a church with sound doctrine.
And to trust in. Because often I realized if somebody confesses sin in the church, and get forgiveness. That he still will treat as sinner.
No love, no new chance.
I suppose this will become more worse in future.
So I trust only in God, but to no church.
It doesnt matter what people teach.
Our father is looking in our hearts and he knows who we are really. Which motives are behind our sayings an actings.
We should let him judge!
And for him every little sin is the same like a "big" sin. We all need forgiveness.
And we have to recognize, that the world already has taken place in our churches. It is difficult to find a church with sound doctrine.
And to trust in. Because often I realized if somebody confesses sin in the church, and get forgiveness. That he still will treat as sinner.
No love, no new chance.
I suppose this will become more worse in future.
So I trust only in God, but to no church.
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Actually the Catholic Church taught that we are saved by the grace of God and that we are justified by faith and good works. Luther taught, as opposed to what the Bible teaches, that we are justified by faith alone. If Luther would have said that we are justified by faith then there would not have been a problem with the Catholic Church but he decided to use "alone" in regards to faith.
I totally agree with the fact that, as Christians, we are called to e different than the world but I also know that people are sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God. With that said, I also know that Our Lord promised not to leave His Church and that He sent the Holy Ghost to guide the Church. I do not know what "type" of Christian you are but I'm a Catholic Christian. Over the past few years the Catholic Church has been rocked by scandals but that does not mean that I want to leave the Church. The Church is bigger than the Pope or other Bishops and priests. Our Lord promised that He would be with her and sent the Holy Ghost to guide her. As the late Catholic apologist Frank Sheed said, " I was baptized into Christ, not the Pope."
When you say they don't even try I assume you are talking about those that call themselves believers, I would tell you to find another church If you don't feel strong enough to effect a change and If you don't want to find another church then I would wonder.
When you say "try" the bible says to the believer that we are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works that was preordained before the foundation of the world that we should walk In them and every man that has this hope In them purifies themselves even as they are pure.
When you say "try" the bible says to the believer that we are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works that was preordained before the foundation of the world that we should walk In them and every man that has this hope In them purifies themselves even as they are pure.
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Oh, yes but the point is to have faith in the Lord and his word above all else. If we have the comprehension and discernment put that above man made versions and opinions.
New International Version
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
New International Version
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,