Obama's Argument

[Elizabeth619]

You have not said what you meant, which is what I am asking. Please go through the post you asked me to make and if I was wrong, I will apologize, but if you were wrong, I want you to apologize to Mary. I know you think what you said is fine, but please go through it and explain it so I can understand you meant no harm. Will you at least do that, then I will apologize if what I said is wrong. If what you said is right, please just do this, so I can understand the way you write, because everyone writes and interprets things differently. I don't think this is a unreasonable request.

Keep in mind you dont know where a persons mindset is and why they would support or not support owning a firearm. There may be reasons for ones strong point of view so before you go telling someone they should or should not apologize maybe you should walk in their shoes.
Mitspa and I both live quite close to an area where having a gun would have prevented lives from being lost. You hear about terrorist attacks happening on the news but you never expect it to happen close to home. We both live close to Chattanooga where 4 military servicemen lost their lives due to an islamic terrorist. Had those men been able to be armed maybe the navy serviceman would not have left children behind. Maybe those marines would be alive. So before we are too harsh on someone on why they are so strong on their point of view maybe we should think about why they have that view. That terrorist attack happened MINUTES away from where I have family living. So, yes I support the 2nd amendment. Just like mitspa does. If one doesnt like guns that is fine, but I strongly support it.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Right..here in the good ole USA "we the people" are the "authority" why would anyone be upset about that ?

You shouldn't be upset that is even the point indeed. This is why we the people have delegated authorities to policemen and other domestic security to be well armed and regulated and if need be take away guns to protect the people. Too many shootings, the gun gives the evil forces too much ability to wreak havoc on a large scale indiscriminately killing the people.

Me and my friend had another interesting lil debate over Trump tied with the gun issue and islam issue. Pretty much he don't like Trump anymore because Trump wants to discriminate religions and all that hippy secularist garbage and because of Trump agreeing with Obama on gun control. While he reasoned we do have to do something about the gun violence and terrorists, he thinks Trump is too aggressive and will pretty much be Hitler like John Kasich's ad implies. Lol it's almost hilariously poetic, seeing as he was the big Trump supporter and me favoring Kasich, though I'm not totally casting Kasich aside yet. Trump merely has perked my interest frankly with his agreement to both do some form of gun control and some islam control simultaneously. Everyone else in the GOP, even Kasich is telling me lies to my face about guns and the truth about islam. As for Obama and Hillary, they lies to my face about islam and tells me the truth about guns.

My conclusion was Trump is even now on the brink of getting my vote in the primary. He ain't Hitler unless he wants to rule the world, and I don't think he does even if he is an ambitious guy. I think he's more home focused. He seems to be willing to do some at least bare bones common sense gun control and fight the gun violence problem whilst keeping the gun owners pacified because he won't fully take away the gun, but he'll at least do something to pacify the gun control need too tailored in a way clearly and constitutionally just for you, aimed at our enemies. Really the main hook is Trump will fight islam. Islam is evil and holding billions of people hostage called muslims. The challenge is destroying islam without getting the hostages or our people killed. Stopping it's spread and scattering their powers and shuttering mosques seems a good start and Trump has many good ideas on how to creatively fight islam without killing the people.

 

[jsr1221]

Look its not a issue for me at all that some choose a completely passive position on this issue ..It only becomes a issue with me when that start teaching that as the biblical position that other Christians should accept as the truth. Its not and I think it puts others in danger to be deceived by such error.

But I haven't seen Mary or anyone else that have tried to say people aren't allowed to carry guns.. It's everyone else but you. And that's a scary thinking process to live your life.

 

[jsr1221]

Keep in mind you dont know where a persons mindset is and why they would support or not support owning a firearm. There may be reasons for ones strong point of view so before you go telling someone they should or should not apologize maybe you should walk in their shoes.
Mitspa and I both live quite close to an area where having a gun would have prevented lives from being lost. You hear about terrorist attacks happening on the news but you never expect it to happen close to home. We both live close to Chattanooga where 4 military servicemen lost their lives due to an islamic terrorist. Had those men been able to be armed maybe the navy serviceman would not have left children behind. Maybe those marines would be alive. So before we are too harsh on someone on why they are so strong on their point of view maybe we should think about why they have that view. That terrorist attack happened MINUTES away from where I have family living. So, yes I support the 2nd amendment. Just like mitspa does. If one doesnt like guns that is fine, but I strongly support it.

And there's nothing wrong with owning them. They're our right. However, you shouldn't force someone or make then feel guilty if one doesn't like guns. Like you said, you don't know a person's beliefs, so you can't know why they have that feeling in the first place.

 

[kodiak]

Well i dont owe Marry an apology ....she and you should thank me for trying to help her escape from her error...But i wont ask for thanks ...Im just glad to help

What was her error, not owning a gun? We know you think not owning a gun goes against the Bible. Please take an honest look on how you phrase things, I dont know if you meant it that way, but that is how you said it. And you dont have to come right out and say those words to say it. I will be praying for you, remember how you phrase things matters even if you don't mean it in that way.

Keep in mind you dont know where a persons mindset is and why they would support or not support owning a firearm. There may be reasons for ones strong point of view so before you go telling someone they should or should not apologize maybe you should walk in their shoes.
Mitspa and I both live quite close to an area where having a gun would have prevented lives from being lost. You hear about terrorist attacks happening on the news but you never expect it to happen close to home. We both live close to Chattanooga where 4 military servicemen lost their lives due to an islamic terrorist. Had those men been able to be armed maybe the navy serviceman would not have left children behind. Maybe those marines would be alive. So before we are too harsh on someone on why they are so strong on their point of view maybe we should think about why they have that view. That terrorist attack happened MINUTES away from where I have family living. So, yes I support the 2nd amendment. Just like mitspa does. If one doesnt like guns that is fine, but I strongly support it.

Your first paragraph is why I am asking Mitspa for an apology.....I agree with the second amendment, I just dont think one should force their view on someone else. She was just stating why she doesn't own a gun and it has blown up into a massive debate on why she is wrong. I am not telling Mitspa not to own a gun, just to watch how he phrases what he says, because if one seriously looks at the whole conversation with an open heart, they will see that he was rude.

 

[Markum1972]

Gonna keep things short and simple...

Obama is a Muslim = believes in Muhammad as Allah's prophet = believes Sharia Law should be enforced worldwide

Left-wing politics originated in the French Revolution by Socialist groups.

Add them together and what do you get? A clear picture of their agendas.

This is not the first time Islam has worked alongside socialism (the very concept of Sharia Law is socialist after all). The most recent big history event was World War II when Hitler (Marxism is a combination of socialism and capitalism) joined forces with Islam.

 

[jsr1221]

How is not owning a gun not Biblical? I don't mind guns but even that is outrageous.. Did David use a gun? Did Jesus specifically say the word gun at all? No. So quit twisting Scripture. That's a sin.

 

[gb9]

Gonna keep things short and simple...

Obama is a Muslim = believes in Muhammad as Allah's prophet = believes Sharia Law should be enforced worldwide

Left-wing politics originated in the French Revolution by Socialist groups.

Add them together and what do you get? A clear picture of their agendas.

This is not the first time Islam has worked alongside socialism (the very concept of Sharia Law is socialist after all). The most recent big history event was World War II when Hitler (Marxism is a combination of socialism and capitalism) joined forces with Islam.

to add to this, you have to keep in mind that what many on the left say is the BEGINNING of what they want, not the end. as in gun control, some of it sounds reasonable. but that is just the first steps of where they want it to go.

 

[Mitspa]

What was her error, not owning a gun? We know you think not owning a gun goes against the Bible. Please take an honest look on how you phrase things, I dont know if you meant it that way, but that is how you said it. And you dont have to come right out and say those words to say it. I will be praying for you, remember how you phrase things matters even if you don't mean it in that way.

Your first paragraph is why I am asking Mitspa for an apology.....I agree with the second amendment, I just dont think one should force their view on someone else. She was just stating why she doesn't own a gun and it has blown up into a massive debate on why she is wrong. I am not telling Mitspa not to own a gun, just to watch how he phrases what he says, because if one seriously looks at the whole conversation with an open heart, they will see that he was rude.

thanks for the prayer and again I don't see any problem with what I posted ... not what you say in posted. While your praying ask God if He had rather us be honest or deceitful?

 

[kodiak]

thanks for the prayer and again I don't see any problem with what I posted ... not what you say in posted. While your praying ask God if He had rather us be honest or deceitful?

That is a direct personal attack, just because you don't see what 3 other people see doesn't mean we are dishonest. if you want to debate the point, then I will, but we have to debate civilly with no personal attacks like calling others dishonest.

 

[Mitspa]

That is a direct personal attack, just because you don't see what 3 other people see doesn't mean we are dishonest. if you want to debate the point, then I will, but we have to debate civilly with no personal attacks like calling others dishonest.

Well just pray about it ..and see if God helps you understand where you went wrong?

 

[kodiak]

Well just pray about it ..and see if God helps you understand where you went wrong?

Just because you disagree does not mean I am wrong, one of us is. It could be me, but it could also be you.

 

[Reborn]

Well just pray about it ..and see if God helps you understand where you went wrong?

Merry Christmas, Mitspa.

This year, l want you to see that ......your opinion is not the only opinion.
Its just an opinion.

Just because someone hasn't come to the same conclusion of your idea of the truth, doesnt mean they're wrong.
In conclusion...it just means that you have too many opinions on other peoples opinions.


...and thats wrong.


Hugs.

 

[Mitspa]

Merry Christmas, Mitspa.

This year, l want you to see that ......your opinion is not the only opinion.
Its just an opinion.

Just because someone hasn't come to the same conclusion of your idea of the truth, doesnt mean they're wrong.
In conclusion...it just means that you have too many opinions on other peoples opinions.


...and thats wrong.


Hugs.

Is that your opinion? opinions are likes noses ..everyone has one and it usally has a couple holes in it. Im happy with mine ..when im wrong , Im glad to admit it...when Im right ..I also admit it

 

[Mitspa]

Just because you disagree does not mean I am wrong, one of us is. It could be me, but it could also be you.

Well just pray about it..

 

[Reborn]

Is that your opinion? opinions are likes noses ..everyone has one and it usally has a couple holes in it. Im happy with mine ..when im wrong , Im glad to admit it...when Im right ..I also admit it

There it is.


Everyday, it goes like this.

Someone: let me show the truth on this subject, Mitspa.
You: no thanks, God guides me to the truth on everything.

So, you believe God guides us, right?

I have a simple question......why do you feel the need to show everyone "the truth", everyday, if God guides us?


.....or is He just showing you ,so you can show us?

 

[Mitspa]

There it is.


Everyday, it goes like this.

Someone: let me show the truth on this subject, Mitspa.
You: no thanks, God guides me to the truth on everything.

So, you believe God guides us, right?

I have a simple question......why do you feel the need to show everyone "the truth", everyday, if God guides us?


.....or is He just showing you ,so you can show us?

2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

 

[jsr1221]

2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Where in the Bible does Jesus instruct each person to carry a gun, and if they don't, they're going to he'll. David didn't have a gun for his fight.. Why are you twisting Scripture and being rude?

 

[Reborn]

2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Nice dodge.

Sorry.....I have noticed that you sort of go after the kinder, gentler members.

I was wondering if you want to run with the big dogs......the ones that will bite back?

 

[jsr1221]

Is that your opinion? opinions are likes noses ..everyone has one and it usally has a couple holes in it. Im happy with mine ..when im wrong , Im glad to admit it...when Im right ..I also admit it

But Mitspa, you never admit when you're wrong. Heck, you hit on a woman twenty years younger in the singles forum publicly once. And ones me to call me a woman because I called you out on it... And you never admitted you were wrong for doing so then.