Should teachers in the US be armed?

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claysmithr

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Teachers should be focused on teaching students, not shooting them.

Instead, a trained professional should be armed in every classroom. Or a metal detector. Giving teachers guns is going to get some innocent student shot.
 

hornetguy

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Teachers should be focused on teaching students, not shooting them.

Instead, a trained professional should be armed in every classroom. Or a metal detector. Giving teachers guns is going to get some innocent student shot.
How do you see that happening? If a teacher is willing to go through extensive training, how are they more likely to shoot an "innocent student" than your average police officer?

We're not talking about just handing out guns to all the teachers, for cryin out loud. There would have to be training involved.
 
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Seriously? You want the US to emulate CHINA?

Are you ready for that?

Because everyone knows, Taiwan is THE place that ALL refugees and "seekers of better fortune" are dying to get into...
It does look like we should emulate Asians in general when it comes to crime, except that in Japan, it is a male-dominated society where crimes against women and domestic violence is an area that needs serious reform in keeping with reforms in South Korea. It appears that Asians are more peaceful people in general.
According to this guy, taiwanese can travel more and see the high crime rates elsewhere, and are motivated to not let it happen there.

[FONT=q_serif]"Generally speaking, Taiwanese are not violent people. Compared with mainland Chinese, they care more about the general public and public spaces, and how they are perceived by others. They have also had more time as a developed economy, which means that they are usually a fairly well-traveled group of people. Having seen how other countries behave, they tend to behave better." (quora.com; May 25, 2016; Paul Denlinger).


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hornetguy

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It does look like we should emulate Asians in general when it comes to crime, except that in Japan, it is a male-dominated society where crimes against women and domestic violence is an area that needs serious reform in keeping with reforms in South Korea. It appears that Asians are more peaceful people in general.
According to this guy, taiwanese can travel more and see the high crime rates elsewhere, and are motivated to not let it happen there.

[FONT=q_serif]"Generally speaking, Taiwanese are not violent people. Compared with mainland Chinese, they care more about the general public and public spaces, and how they are perceived by others. They have also had more time as a developed economy, which means that they are usually a fairly well-traveled group of people. Having seen how other countries behave, they tend to behave better." (quora.com; May 25, 2016; Paul Denlinger).


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I take umbrage with his comments... a Chinese guy living in Taiwan for the past 11 years or so...

His first statement is somewhat derogatory... because generally speaking, the American people are not a "violent people"

and, how does "seeing how other people behave" make you a better-behaved people?

Specifically, how should the US emulate China, in regards to crime and violence?
 

Lafftur

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Ya know, I think "teachers" should TEACH. I've been an elementary teacher before and I have to say, so much time in the classroom is spent on discipline of the children that it's difficult to teach.

How about the "Teacher's Aide" be a security officer in each classroom and handle all the discipline issues and security issues so that TEACHERS CAN TEACH. :)

Of course, if I was still teaching, I'd probably carry a gun or something, learn self-defense and a few combat techniques for the kids safety and mine.
 

Dem

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The answer is to demilitarize the police , band the sells of weapon of war and the ammo open the schools up to prayer per religious group encourage fasting and giving charity per religious calling ,,,,
So true so true we have no need for aromatic weapons to be sold to the public. no need for them. as far as prayer there is nothing stopping us from praying for the schools and the teachers.
 

hornetguy

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So true so true we have no need for aromatic weapons to be sold to the public. no need for them. as far as prayer there is nothing stopping us from praying for the schools and the teachers.
ahhhh.... I LOVE aromatic weapons.... the smell of Hoppes #9 in the morning.... smells like....victory....
 

LaurieB

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Get rid of the guns. Guns do only one thing ... they kill. there is no reason for anyone to own an AR-15.
Jesus would never have carried a gun and He certainly would have put children FIRST. Protect our kids. Increase gun control.
 

Tommy379

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Get rid of the guns. Guns do only one thing ... they kill. there is no reason for anyone to own an AR-15.
Jesus would never have carried a gun and He certainly would have put children FIRST. Protect our kids. Increase gun control.
buy-a-gun-commands-Jesus-570x380.jpg .
 

hornetguy

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Get rid of the guns. Guns do only one thing ... they kill. there is no reason for anyone to own an AR-15.
Jesus would never have carried a gun and He certainly would have put children FIRST. Protect our kids. Increase gun control.
I sense that you are passionate about this. You are also woefully un-informed. Guns have many, many purposes. One of those purposes is to kill. Most of their purpose is NOT to kill.

You could just as easily say, let's get rid of all cell phones... their only purpose is to distract young drivers, causing them to be killed in car wrecks. That would certainly be one purpose of cell phones, but it is not the only purpose. It is the MISUSE of those tools (cellphones) that causes problems.

You should have someone take you out and let you enjoy an afternoon shooting. It would likely give you a whole new perspective on things.
 

Oncefallen

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Here is an interesting commentary on the subject of gun rights.

BreakPoint: Gun Control


Americans have always had constitutional rights that allow them to exercise certain freedoms. But do we still have the moral ability to maintain those rights?
Mass shootings are now, tragically, a regular feature of our news cycle. Each new attack on innocent children, students, church members, or concertgoers hits us it seems before we’ve recovered from the last one. I hope and pray we never become numb to the horror of these crimes.
In fact, after the recent shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, a shooting that left 17 dead, the fury and passion to do something seems to have reached a critical point. Certainly, those who wish to restrict guns in America are louder than ever.
Now, in full disclosure, I’m a Second Amendment guy. I own guns: I support the right to bear arms. But I’m also a student of history and worldview. Rights always come with responsibility. And people who are incapable of enjoying freedoms inevitably lose them.
I know I’m going to get angry emails about this, so let me be as clear as possible. I’m not saying here what should happen. I’m not saying that America should ban guns. What I’m saying is what always happens when a culture morally breaks down. Chuck Colson used to say that if a people will not be governed by the conscience, they will be governed by the constable. The loss of conscience always leads to the loss of freedom.
John Adams, our second president, said that our Constitution is meant only for a “moral and religious people,” and “is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” That would include the Second Amendment.
Increasingly, Americans display a shocking lack of conscience. I’m not just talking about mass-shootings by lonely, isolated, disturbed young men. I’m talking about historic levels of suicide, the epidemic of opioid overdoses that have more than doubled since 2010, and the poison we pump into the minds and hearts of our children in the name of entertainment. If we’re not killing each other in this country, we’re killing ourselves! Folks, something is deeply wrong. America is deeply sick.
Liberals who want to ban guns often say we’ve evolved beyond our Constitution. Evolved? No, we’ve devolved below it. We’re no longer a people moral or religious enough to sustain the freedoms of self-government.
Alexis de Tocqueville famously wrote on his visit to America that religion and local voluntary associations serve as glue to hold our democracy together. Almost 200 years later, that’s simply not true about us anymore. We’re now a society of isolated individualists—where drug addicts, the suicidal, and yes, the lonely, disturbed young men—easily slip through the cracks.
Political conservatives, hear me on this: It seems obvious at this point that government and police officials failed the students and teachers of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. And they should be held accountable.
But the deeper sickness eating this country alive will lead to more and more demands for gun control. Freedom is unsustainable without virtue.
Political liberals, hear me on this: The problem isn’t guns. Ban them, without addressing the real problems of our society, and we’ll find the next high school killer using a car or some other weapon of mass destruction. And the rest of us will be unarmed and unable to defend ourselves.
America is in a dark, deeply divided place—a place Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn accurately described in a 1978 speech at Harvard as a place with “little defense against the abyss of human decadence…such as the misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, such as motion pictures full of pornography, crime, and horror.” Even strict laws, Solzhenitsyn said, are powerless to defend a people against such moral corrosion.
If the devolution of our collective conscience continues, the replacement of constitutional rights with constables might be inevitable. But even constables won’t be able to govern, or protect, a people without a conscience.
 

Deade

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Here is an interesting commentary on the subject of gun rights

Americans have always had constitutional rights that allow them to exercise certain freedoms. But do we still have the moral ability to maintain those rights? ............................................................................................................................................................................
If the devolution of our collective conscience continues, the replacement of constitutional rights with constables might be inevitable. But even constables won’t be able to govern, or protect, a people without a conscience.
Constables? Would that not be a police state by another name. I have a saying: You cannot rule an unruly people. What has to happen in this country is for the good-moral people to get fed up and take back their neighborhoods. I have seen this work in the Oakland, CA ghetto of Elmhurst. Neighbors sticking together and insisting no crack houses in their area. Yes, it is dangerous. But doing nothing is more dangerous, I feel.
 

Dem

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I sense that you are passionate about this. You are also woefully un-informed. Guns have many, many purposes. One of those purposes is to kill. Most of their purpose is NOT to kill.

You could just as easily say, let's get rid of all cell phones... their only purpose is to distract young drivers, causing them to be killed in car wrecks. That would certainly be one purpose of cell phones, but it is not the only purpose. It is the MISUSE of those tools (cellphones) that causes problems.

You should have someone take you out and let you enjoy an afternoon shooting. It would likely give you a whole new perspective on things.
the same old NRA straw man hog wash. dang guns are for one thing to KILL animals or humans but to kill. now go dial 911 on your phone.
 

hornetguy

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the same old NRA straw man hog wash. dang guns are for one thing to KILL animals or humans but to kill. now go dial 911 on your phone.
I, for one, am VERY glad you don't own a gun. You seem like a very angry, unbalanced person.

Do you even KNOW what a "straw man" argument is, or did you just hear someone else use that term and thought it sounded cool?
 

Dude653

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we've already had two incidents this month of a firearm being accidentally discharged in a school
 

notuptome

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we've already had two incidents this month of a firearm being accidentally discharged in a school
And how many car accidents on the way to school?

Careful with that bat as you might injure yourself.

The world is a dangerous place and men are continually evil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger