Single Men It's Time to Step Up!

[seoulsearch]

Oh no. I was talking to biscuit and seoulsearch.

As I had stated in another thread, I have only used the "Ignore" function once, and that was because a married man was stating in the threads that he found me attractive (this was years ago.)

I don't put people on Ignore because I find that even when I disagree with someone, there are times when I can still learn something about them or from what they post.

 

[seoulsearch]

All this flirting is just exhausting to follow. Sheesh guys, get a room already.

Well, I'd want Biscuit to ask my Dad's permission to date me first, and somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

(Yes, I am trying to make a joke. No, I don't typically have men ask my father if they can date me. But this is a special case. )

 

[Roh_Chris]

Well, I'd want Biscuit to ask my Dad's permission to date me first, and somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

So much for asking men to STEP UP. It all boils down to a dad's permission!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

...which they certainly don't need when they decide it's time for a man to STEP DOWN. After all divorce is cheap, fast, easy, and can be done right online all by oneself [no spouse required]:

"Our [mostly female] customers give us 4.8 out of 5 stars"

https://www.mydivorcepapers.com/ppc..._bJlB_bZ4tu8FbsfdXJRKMGzK2d-glh-GKhoC707w_wcB

How convenient [sarcasm intended].

It costs her $159.00 and about an hour of her time to end your marriage online before getting ready for her date ruining the next twenty years of your life.

And women wonder why men don't want to STEP UP anymore. Could it be because the deal sucks rotten eggs anymore?

So much for asking men to STEP UP. It all boils down to a dad's permission!

 

[Rachel20]

Hmmm.

You know AgeofKnowledge, you yourself brought up several red herrings in this discussion.

Your argument throughout this thread has been that -

The rising decline of young man having never married shows that it is because of the terrible choices that women have led them to have – through a child support system and the eventuality of divorce.

Your basis for doing so has been the evidence of many papers, but on closer inspections the number of fallacies are quite astounding.

Please show me a research paper that validates the narrative that a society of talking marbles lives on Pluto. Since it doesn't exist, you'll have to write it. But, for it to be a scholarly research paper, it will have to pass through a process of peer review in which PhD scholars who are experts in that field review it for accuracy before approving it for publication by a scholarly journal whose own editorial scholars will again check it for accuracy.

Well, honestly you haven’t shown us a single scholarly research paper either to corroborate your statements .

The only valid “scholar” worthy research findings that you posted were from the Pew Research Group.


The rest of your findings were from psychology blogs about male identity crisis, declining fatherhood, news article about a man's failure to pay alimony, a youtube video of the matrix and a family studies blog on young adult family issues [which has nothing to do with why men or women do not marry because it talks about issues in families that are already married] as well as an article titled Sexodus, which was absolutely ridiculous .

Quoting from there ---->


Part of the problem is unrealistic female expectations, says Valizadeh. “Getting laid with attractive women has become extremely hard for average men. Women today of average or even below average quality desire an elite man with above-average looks, muscles, intelligence, and confidence.

“If an average girl works hard enough, she will be able to have a one-night stand with a ‘hot’ guy every now and then because he happened to be horny and wanted an easy lay. The girl then thinks that she actually can get such a man to commit to her for the long term, and so doesn’t give the average guys a chance, holding out for the type of stud that she had a brief sexual encounter with in the past.”

[whut?]
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So, given their poor scholarship and how far behind an evaluated academic peer reviewed approval all this would be, I would only look at your link from the Pew Research findings.

While you mentioned the rising number of young men never marrying, you failed to mention that the number of women not marrying have also increased.


Quoting directly from the article,

The dramatic rise in the share of never-married adults and the emerging gender gap are related to a variety of factors. Adults are marrying later in life, and the shares of adults cohabiting and raising children outside of marriage have increased significantly. The median age at first marriage is now 27 for women and 29 for men, up from 20 for women and 23 for men in 1960.[SUP]2[/SUP] About a quarter (24%) of never-married young adults ages 25 to 34 are living with a partner, according to Pew Research analysis of Current Population Survey data

None of this is related to a new movement of young men decided they were going to withdraw form a society to escape feminist oppression.
[This would be the essential manism and manosphere world, which is populated by many misogynists]

I would also wonder if homosexuality and it's widespread acceptance of it has not led to a breakdown of traditional views of marriage.

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Also, you made another statement about the relevance of marriage to the youth of today,

well again from the article, here's what it states


Despite, questions on the relevance of marriage, most Americans (68%) continue to believe it is important for couples to marry if they plan to spend the rest of their lives together.

A new Pew Research survey finds that about half of all never-married adults (53%) say they would like to marry eventually. This share is down somewhat from 2010, when 61% of never-married adults said they would like to marry someday. Roughly one-third of today’s never-married adults (32%) say they are not sure if they would like to get married, while 13% say they do not want to marry.



So your statement that most men do not want to marry is false assertion.

False correlation. Zero causation. Death row prisoners don't cast shadows on astronauts and Christian men marrying abroad and starting nuclear families don't cast shadows on organized criminal sex trafficking networks (except to stamp them out of course).

Questions as to why they never married, these were the reasons

Among those who have never been married but say they may eventually like to wed, three-in-ten say the main reason they are not married is that they have not found someone who has what they are looking for in a spouse. Nearly as many (27%) say they are not financially prepared for marriage, and 22% say they are too young or not ready to settle down. There are no significant differences between never-married men and women in this regard.


So all in all, as 1still_waters rightly pointed out , you did create a bogeyman for real.

We can construct any type of bogeyman in our mind based on the information we want to choose.

There are a diversity of research papers out there that can validate the narratives we long to construct.

All this discussion and fear mongering. Sigh

For a reality that you constructed.

What I see you saying is that people can live in denial of reality. The problem with that is that reality is real and therefore may be interjected into whatever "reality" you are busy constructing.

Society is full of wives tales and folklore.

Wishful thinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roh_Chris]

And CC tells me to spread some reputation around before giving it to Rachel20. Good post, sister.

 

[tourist]

You may want to suggest RoboOp make a Flirting Room.

...or a flirt button next to the like button.

 

[tourist]

We have never gotten along and you have a real problem with "putting words in my mouth, so I will refrain from "unleashing" on you because you are a women with issues. I have compassion for those who are mentally ill.

Don't blame me for your failures and traumatic childhood. And don't blame me because a man won't put up with you. I will not allow you to play the "victim" and have those rushing to your resue. It gets to be old.

Have a Merry Christmas and hopefully you will find a man under your Christmas tree.

Your post shows that you seriously lack compassion to those that may be suffering.

 

[Human]

Hmmm.

You know AgeofKnowledge, you yourself brought up several red herrings in this discussion.

Your argument throughout this thread has been that -

The rising decline of young man having never married shows that it is because of the terrible choices that women have led them to have – through a child support system and the eventuality of divorce.

Your basis for doing so has been the evidence of many papers, but on closer inspections the number of fallacies are quite astounding.





Well, honestly you haven’t shown us a single scholarly research paper either to corroborate your statements .

The only valid “scholar” worthy research findings that you posted were from the Pew Research Group.


The rest of your findings were from psychology blogs about male identity crisis, declining fatherhood, news article about a man's failure to pay alimony, a youtube video of the matrix and a family studies blog on young adult family issues [which has nothing to do with why men or women do not marry because it talks about issues in families that are already married] as well as an article titled Sexodus, which was absolutely ridiculous .

Quoting from there ---->


Part of the problem is unrealistic female expectations, says Valizadeh. “Getting laid with attractive women has become extremely hard for average men. Women today of average or even below average quality desire an elite man with above-average looks, muscles, intelligence, and confidence.

“If an average girl works hard enough, she will be able to have a one-night stand with a ‘hot’ guy every now and then because he happened to be horny and wanted an easy lay. The girl then thinks that she actually can get such a man to commit to her for the long term, and so doesn’t give the average guys a chance, holding out for the type of stud that she had a brief sexual encounter with in the past.”

[whut?]
------------------------------


So, given their poor scholarship and how far behind an evaluated academic peer reviewed approval all this would be, I would only look at your link from the Pew Research findings.

While you mentioned the rising number of young men never marrying, you failed to mention that the number of women not marrying have also increased.


Quoting directly from the article,

The dramatic rise in the share of never-married adults and the emerging gender gap are related to a variety of factors. Adults are marrying later in life, and the shares of adults cohabiting and raising children outside of marriage have increased significantly. The median age at first marriage is now 27 for women and 29 for men, up from 20 for women and 23 for men in 1960.[SUP]2[/SUP] About a quarter (24%) of never-married young adults ages 25 to 34 are living with a partner, according to Pew Research analysis of Current Population Survey data

None of this is related to a new movement of young men decided they were going to withdraw form a society to escape feminist oppression.
[This would be the essential manism and manosphere world, which is populated by many misogynists]

I would also wonder if homosexuality and it's widespread acceptance of it has not led to a breakdown of traditional views of marriage.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, you made another statement about the relevance of marriage to the youth of today,

well again from the article, here's what it states


Despite, questions on the relevance of marriage, most Americans (68%) continue to believe it is important for couples to marry if they plan to spend the rest of their lives together.

A new Pew Research survey finds that about half of all never-married adults (53%) say they would like to marry eventually. This share is down somewhat from 2010, when 61% of never-married adults said they would like to marry someday. Roughly one-third of today’s never-married adults (32%) say they are not sure if they would like to get married, while 13% say they do not want to marry.



So your statement that most men do not want to marry is false assertion.







Questions as to why they never married, these were the reasons

Among those who have never been married but say they may eventually like to wed, three-in-ten say the main reason they are not married is that they have not found someone who has what they are looking for in a spouse. Nearly as many (27%) say they are not financially prepared for marriage, and 22% say they are too young or not ready to settle down. There are no significant differences between never-married men and women in this regard.


So all in all, as 1still_waters rightly pointed out , you did create a bogeyman for real.




All this discussion and fear mongering. Sigh

For a reality that you constructed.








Wishful thinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of this is fair. One point you make, however, is that if a group of men were to withdraw from marriage because of the child-support system's unfair premises that it would signify a mysognistic mindset. While certainly, I can imagine that some men withdraw from marriage because of hatred for women, it is increasingly true that men decide against marriage because they stand to have the most to lose in a marital situation. A vast majority of the time in custody disputes, in Western countries, women win. This isn't usually because these women are higher paid or more apt to deal with the children, it is because in the eyes of many judges and courts the children belong to the woman before the man (owing to the fact that she gave birth to them). Rather than create an archetype that does not consider 'ownership' but rather the psychological benefits of two parents, the courts work on almost a property basis - the children are assets and the woman has the right to have them because she carried them for nine months. The argument that this is right, can of course be made, but it would have to be made off very shallow perspectives.

Alimony laws are also unfairly biased towards women. Men in broken relationships with children, much more often than women, are put in a position of limited access to their children, having to pay outrageous child support amounts and being forced to sell their property to provide the wife with half the proceedings, even if, and especially if, she has not contributed to the mortgage at all, or is not in employment. Egalitarianism is the myth, but in fact in this kind of situation, the man is still expected to provide for the wife even if they are no longer married!

While scholarly articles speaking about these issues are hard to come across, the fact that so many articles and opinion polls exist with these trends shows that the divorce risks for men are playing an increasingly important part in the reasons for many men's decisions not to marry. One poll you cited above shows that thirty percent of men say they haven't found what they are looking for in a spouse. I fall into that category, and what I am looking for in a spouse is faithfulness and the kind of personality that assures me she is not the type to take away my children and force me into a grossly unfair alimony situation at all.

 

[1still_waters]

Please show me a research paper that validates the narrative that a society of talking marbles lives on Pluto. Since it doesn't exist, you'll have to write it. But, for it to be a scholarly research paper, it will have to pass through a process of peer review in which PhD scholars who are experts in that field review it for accuracy before approving it for publication by a scholarly journal whose own editorial scholars will again check it for accuracy.

Pluto. Research paper. Peer review.
You just setting these up on a tee for me to hit brother?
Not so long ago a bunch of peers said Pluto was a planet.
Then some other peers said no.
Research can change as can the peers.

I watch the news.
A lot of news.
From observation I notice there are research findings coming out like little baby rabbits every day.
There is an endless supply of peer reviewed "research".
An endless cherry tree to pick from, if one wanted to concoct their own bogeyman reality.

I'm going to go all Buzzfeed style to show how I believe the process of creating one's own bogeyman is accomplished.

The process.

1. Formulate a theory you want validated.


"What are we going to do tonight Brain?"
"The same thing we do every night Pinky, create a social construct bogeyman that will make us want to set our hair on fire."

2. Look for the ingredients on the recipe, through cherry picking research.

3. Mix the ingredients and concoct the bogeyman.

4. Once finished, set hair on fire and run around.

My point in all of this is to make us reflect on the motivations for the "evidence" we use. What's really driving those motivations? Amuck passions that have been jaded due to life?

There are so many research findings to cherry pick from.
Peer reviewed can simply mean a group of people who think alike decided the researcher agreed with them.

Just ask Pluto.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Nonsense Rachel. I provided exactly the right statistics and studies to support my statements. You're making false assertions about them and stumbling badly with the discipline of logic. You too 1Still_Waters. P.S. Pluto no longer even exists. It's now asteroid number 134340... lol.

But the doorbell is ringing and people are arriving for the Christmas Eve party so I'm going to have to bid you all adieu for now. Merry Christmas!

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

It's now asteroid number 134340... lol.

Well, it was. The verdict was weighed in on once again: Wait, what? Pluto a planet again? (Though it being deemed a planet, as mentioned in the article, has yet to be "official.")

But the doorbell is ringing and people are arriving for the Christmas Eve party so I'm going to have to bid you all adieu for now. Merry Christmas!

Enjoy, and Merry Christmas!

 

[Lynx]

Is it just me or have biscuit and AgeofKnowledge been repeating themselves a lot in this thread?

Also, is it just me or have biscuit and AgeofKnowledge been repeating themselves a lot in this thread?

 

[wisebeardman]

after reading all this.. I think I am just going to go jump off a bridge.

 

[PopClick]

...which they certainly don't need when they decide it's time for a man to STEP DOWN. After all divorce is cheap, fast, easy, and can be done right online all by oneself [no spouse required]:

"Our [mostly female] customers give us 4.8 out of 5 stars"

https://www.mydivorcepapers.com/ppc..._bJlB_bZ4tu8FbsfdXJRKMGzK2d-glh-GKhoC707w_wcB

How convenient [sarcasm intended].

It costs her $159.00 and about an hour of her time to end your marriage online before getting ready for her date ruining the next twenty years of your life.

And women wonder why men don't want to STEP UP anymore. Could it be because the deal sucks rotten eggs anymore?

If anyone legitimately feels like they cannot tell the difference between a Godly person who wants to spend the rest of their lives with them, and a harpy who wants to divorce them and use them for money, then they should pray for discernment. And they should refrain from getting married. JMO.

 

[kenthomas27]

If anyone legitimately feels like they cannot tell the difference between a Godly person who wants to spend the rest of their lives with them, and a harpy who wants to divorce them and use them for money, then they should pray for discernment. And they should refrain from getting married. JMO.

A harpy? I love you PopClick.

 

[seoulsearch]

A harpy? I love you PopClick.

I don't know about a harpy... But how about a Harpy Eagle?

I'm sure he's wandering around here somewhere...

 

[1still_waters]

after reading all this.. I think I am just going to go jump off a bridge.

What? I don't even.

 

[PopClick]

A harpy? I love you PopClick.

Not sure if sarcastic, or...

Aw, heck with it. Love you too.

 

[PopClick]

After nearly 50 years of the so-called "feminist rule," it is an uphill climb because the trust isn't there for most men. I would trust a foreign woman any day before I would an American woman and I am sure I am not alone.

Biscuit, it seems like you don't believe you have met many Godly Christian American ladies. But perhaps you're really only talking about women who were interested in you? Because it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't many Godly ladies interested in you. Godly people don't seem to be attracted to those who have unfair and bitter attitudes.