Dating/Marrying Someone with a History of Sexual Abuse.

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Them as of now I believe that someone with am abusive sexual past shouldn't marry until they've delt with thier stuff because i don't know about you girls but I'm aure the guys can relate when I say this.... When newly married I just wanna walk into a room close the door and not come out until "I'm done with her" a week or so later. There's so much I'd wanna do with my lady and I've always wanted to gwmet to the point where 5 minutes later as were laying there I DONT want to do it again. I know that place exists but being told, I'm not in the mood, I'm sore, I'm tired, that's annoying.

Dealing with emotional limits ontop of that would suck.
 

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I can appreciate the honesty in your posts. I think... most guys are probably thinking this? Forgive me, guys, if I'm wrong... but would be afraid to say it?

I do understand. And I agree about someone letting God help them get through some things first before being ready to marry. There has to be some mutual understanding, consideration, and tenderness though. For both people. I mean, I've talked to guys before who said they were the ones feeling used... so I know it can go both ways.

But... I guess if I had the answers, I wouldn't be starting threads here at Christian Chat. :)
 
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Yeah I've felt used ALOT. It's seriously lame. Thats why I'm throwing down on this lol.
The other thing I hate is sex as a bargining tool or when used to get whatcavwoman wants. Just offer sex and you get whatever you want, hate it. i Resist it with a passion but then sex gets withheld. It's really just aaasrrrghh!

It's suppose to be fun and a way if connecting but yeah
 
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Them as of now I believe that someone with am abusive sexual past shouldn't marry until they've delt with thier stuff because i don't know about you girls but I'm aure the guys can relate when I say this.... When newly married I just wanna walk into a room close the door and not come out until "I'm done with her" a week or so later. There's so much I'd wanna do with my lady and I've always wanted to gwmet to the point where 5 minutes later as were laying there I DONT want to do it again. I know that place exists but being told, I'm not in the mood, I'm sore, I'm tired, that's annoying.

Dealing with emotional limits ontop of that would suck.
I can appreciate the honesty in your posts. I think... most guys are probably thinking this? Forgive me, guys, if I'm wrong... but would be afraid to say it?

I do understand. And I agree about someone letting God help them get through some things first before being ready to marry. There has to be some mutual understanding, consideration, and tenderness though. For both people. I mean, I've talked to guys before who said they were the ones feeling used... so I know it can go both ways.

But... I guess if I had the answers, I wouldn't be starting threads here at Christian Chat. :)
I don't agree that people shouldn't get married without dealing with it, I believe dealing with it and getting to a point where a realtionship is fully healthy between two people both physically and emotionally can take a long time and in the sense that we will always have problems I don't think them being unresolved should neccesarily be a barrier to marriage as long as both people are aware of the issues and are prepared to face that challenge together.

I also don't agree with you Liam, I personally am not holding onto a hope that I can go into a room with my new wife and get straight down to the physical, I'm not adverse to it happening that way but if it didn't it's no big deal, you know if she tells me she doesn't want to do it all right away it's fine, if the cause of that reluctance is an abuse in her past then it's no problem, maybe going slow with me is one more way to help her heal because she would feel no need to submit herself but would know we could move at a comfortable pace and I wouldn't find it annoying, even if I have been waiting years for the experience.

That's just my feeling.
 

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I don't agree that people shouldn't get married without dealing with it, I believe dealing with it and getting to a point where a realtionship is fully healthy between two people both physically and emotionally can take a long time and in the sense that we will always have problems I don't think them being unresolved should neccesarily be a barrier to marriage as long as both people are aware of the issues and are prepared to face that challenge together.

I also don't agree with you Liam, I personally am not holding onto a hope that I can go into a room with my new wife and get straight down to the physical, I'm not adverse to it happening that way but if it didn't it's no big deal, you know if she tells me she doesn't want to do it all right away it's fine, if the cause of that reluctance is an abuse in her past then it's no problem, maybe going slow with me is one more way to help her heal because she would feel no need to submit herself but would know we could move at a comfortable pace and I wouldn't find it annoying, even if I have been waiting years for the experience.

That's just my feeling.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure in a comfortable marriage there would be some of that really immediate playfulness (at least I would hope) but I'd like to think of it as kind of a drawn out, romantic thing with some sort of courtship at least, most especially after the wedding... not just... tossing in the room and, "Hey Babe, Badda Bing!!"

Maybe a little later on :) but... I dunno, I'd like to hope I'd have a somewhat romantic time after getting married. Heh... maybe you guys will be fed up with this: "You women and your romance!" :D
 

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Yeah I've felt used ALOT. It's seriously lame. Thats why I'm throwing down on this lol.
The other thing I hate is sex as a bargining tool or when used to get whatcavwoman wants. Just offer sex and you get whatever you want, hate it. i Resist it with a passion but then sex gets withheld. It's really just aaasrrrghh!

It's suppose to be fun and a way if connecting but yeah
I can agree with you in that I totally disagree with using sex as a bartering tool as well. I'm grateful to have a close relationship with my Mom, because she always said it was a privilege, not a chore or means of negotiation.
 
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Yeah, I mean, I'm sure in a comfortable marriage there would be some of that really immediate playfulness (at least I would hope) but I'd like to think of it as kind of a drawn out, romantic thing with some sort of courtship at least, most especially after the wedding... not just... tossing in the room and, "Hey Babe, Badda Bing!!"

Maybe a little later on :) but... I dunno, I'd like to hope I'd have a somewhat romantic time after getting married. Heh... maybe you guys will be fed up with this: "You women and your romance!" :D
I have no specific hope for how things might go, I don't think it's particularly wise to go into a marriage with a particular expectation for how our sex life would begin, I wouldn't want my wife to suddenly find herself standing across from a husband who was expecting her to go all the way immediately, if she has another hope for how things might progress it would put her in the position of doing something she'd rather not do or upsetting her new husband, either way it's lose lose.

If we felt like doing a lot then that's great, if not that's good too because the best is yet to come.
 
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Yeah don't get me wrong it's not that I don't value romance I'm very romantic honestly and it's not that I don't wanna help her heal or anything like that, I just want someone who can keep pace oh and Mathew.

-puts 100 Australian dollars on the table-

that money is yours if after sex you no longer get annoyed when your wife says no.
I'm cases of pregnancy and her cycle and stuff you be respectful and caring but even then it will annoy you. If I'm wroong that money is yours.

I used to talk just like you, you probly still think women care if their Bo is a virgin aswell right?
We do, i do, most women could not careless.
 

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Yeah don't get me wrong it's not that I don't value romance I'm very romantic honestly and it's not that I don't wanna help her heal or anything like that, I just want someone who can keep pace oh and Mathew.

-puts 100 Australian dollars on the table-

that money is yours if after sex you no longer get annoyed when your wife says no.
I'm cases of pregnancy and her cycle and stuff you be respectful and caring but even then it will annoy you. If I'm wroong that money is yours.

I used to talk just like you, you probly still think women care if their Bo is a virgin aswell right?
We do, i do, most women could not careless.

Ok, I'm sorry, but I had to say it... betting over sex in the forums??? Ha!!!

*Clears out of the way.*

And of course women care about whether their future husband has been with umpteen other partners... that's a total deal-breaker, at least for me.
 
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Yeah don't get me wrong it's not that I don't value romance I'm very romantic honestly and it's not that I don't wanna help her heal or anything like that, I just want someone who can keep pace oh and Mathew.

-puts 100 Australian dollars on the table-

that money is yours if after sex you no longer get annoyed when your wife says no.
I'm cases of pregnancy and her cycle and stuff you be respectful and caring but even then it will annoy you. If I'm wroong that money is yours.

I used to talk just like you, you probly still think women care if their Bo is a virgin aswell right?
We do, i do, most women could not careless.
You know I can't speak to the man I may become so maybe we can talk again when that day has come and gone, and on that day I'll be glad to take your money.

I don't consider what women think about their boyfriends being a virgin or not, all I care about is what my partner might think about that issue, I wouldn't care about her status at all, so I'd hope she felt the same, but if we loved eachother it really wouldn't matter, that's pot luck, not a hang-up for me.
 
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Okay...*takes a deep breath, and prays real quick, Lord help me be calm, as this person doesn't understand things and has had many bad experiences with people that are survivors.*...

Liam, I can totally understand your desires. That's perfectly normal. However, I don't feel you have any right whatsoever to sit there and say ''get use to it''. We SURVIVORS do NOT use our past for ''attention'' or for ''sympathy''. Once someone recovers, or at least starts the recovery process, they learn and grow. It's completely selfish to say such things about us. Those that are still victims, are that way for different reasons.

Top two reasons: They haven't found the right person to help them, they don't trust in God enough on things...and, they haven't gotten past the nightmares and things enough to open up about it. Most if not all that have ever been a victim, were threatened. Most common threat made is ''you will not tell anyone, or you will regret it'' then they're told what will happen if they tell.

Again I'll say, you CAN'T judge, assume things, hold a grudge, etc. etc. from YOUR own experience. I again apologize that you've had to deal with those things and people...however, not all are like that. They're still lost, and tangled up in a horrible, never ending nightmare. I promise if you had ever gone through things, you'd have a totally different attitude and perspective on this matter. It's not like you just wake up one day, say oh well someone's going to abuse me, but it's okay, I'll live...then wake up and say poof! I'm healed, I'm over it oh yeah! that DOES NOT happen.

I mean what I say, in a calm manner, not disrespectful, so please keep that in mind. You must see the picture from BOTH sides. As a non-victim/survivor, and as a survivor. Anyhow....I'm going to stop for now....but in all honesty, most are totally over the whole ordeal until they get married, and then truly learn trust. Many go out there thinking sex equals love...when it doesn't....they end up going around sleeping with anyone and everyone trying to numb and hide, even rid the memories, pain, etc.Then eventually they get sick of it, they can't take it anymore. Finally they give in, and they do what they should have done long ago, call on God.

Us survivors are not looking for sympathy or attention, we're strong, we're passionate, we're here to help others, to keep them from making mistakes we or others may have made. Now that's not to say we went and put our self in a position we knew was dangerous and things would, or might happen. That means, after being a victim, some do those things. Please keep this in mind, please take it to heart. Don't allow others to harden your heart because they have yet to overcome being a victim, and become a survivor. I will admit SOME will seek attention, and sympathy, BUT that's because they're in the beginning stages of healing. They go about it in the wrong manner.

I'm going to really pray for you, that God will take away all bitterness, pain, memory, etc. from how others have done you. Sounds like to me, you're a victim yourself here...not of abuse like this, BUT of abuse of someone that can't yet get delivered. That is VERY possible. Victims, will make victims of innocent people...dragging them down, etc. if they have no guidance, and things on how to deal with all that's going on.

Okay I'm done for now. God bless.
 

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I have to agree with you, Stand.

I think Liam's been through a lot and I'm sorry for that... I hope God brings him the healing and closure he needs as well (kind of sounds like he's a victim of other victims) but yeah... in the end... we can't take it out on other people either. It just sets us up to miss the right person altogether because we won't give them a chance or will make the jump through so many hoops, it pushes them away...

And I'm speaking for myself as well!
 
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Agreed Seoul, completely. That's the point I was making...I think I sort of maybe confused my words because I was thinking and typing it all at the same time, and words got mangled lol. I stick with what I said totally, I do not regret or take any of it back. I stand my ground on it. Again, it was said out of respect and love. Not anger, not bitterness, nothing like that. The prayer thing...I meant it as well, I really did stop and do that....I had to! I'm VERY stressed right now, and not over just this....actually I"m calm over this. Other things though...well yeah...so please bare with me on this o_O I'm trying here...not so easy though.
 

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No problem Stand... I can totally sympathize.

We'll pray for you as well, that you'll make it through the rough times.

By the way... I'm really enjoying the discussion here. Thanks for everyone's contributions and if there's anyone else out there who has something to add, please feel free!!

We don't bite... at least, not enough to leave a permanent mark. Just kidding! :D
 
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LOL yeah...we don't bite...we just...um...we ''nibble'' it tickles doesn't hurt! *giggles* okay seriously, I really enjoy this as well, and YES anyone and everyone feel free to share input....be prepared though for those who are passionate in expressing them self (like me lol) it's all in love and respect though!
 
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Victims allow themselves to he victims.

Argue, kick and scream, but I have been there myself too love and that's exactly why I'm handling things like this.

Strength comes from defiance and the lord and the fact that people are reacting like this just shows how anchored to this evil you are. The Lord will set you free. Don't think I am heartless, I've been a rock to so many but yes I am going to say get over it. Bad things happen to a lot of people we struggle with them but the only power they have over us is the power we give them.

As for betting over sex, it was a bet about basic male instict involving sex. Sure we could all pretend were perfect and don't feel impulses, we do and we need to accept that--bit that doesn't mean we let them rule us--we need to be accountable!

Sexual abuse is about being powerless and no one in Christ is powerless!

It just really gets to me when people martyr it when it's no worse than being beaten, stabbed or shot. This is personal experince here so don't dare call me on that, I'm not going into it. God has given us everything we need to provide for everyone in this world and everyday millions of innocent children die because of starvation because we dump hundreds of tons of food into the ocean everyday because of fear and greed.

Sometimes I wonder if people really know how currupt and evil this world really is?

We are not victims. We have a job to do tgat is bigger than that. Does this mean I would be so heartless in real life? No I'm a real "sweet guy" but I just expected more from the Christian community. I'm out here in armor of faith and sword of truth EVERYDAY and yeah I'm wounded, I'm hurt bad, bit in him I am strong and a soldier for rightiousness not a coward hiding in my pain.

I will never be powerless like that again!
 
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Victims allow themselves to he victims.

Argue, kick and scream, but I have been there myself too love and that's exactly why I'm handling things like this.

Strength comes from defiance and the lord and the fact that people are reacting like this just shows how anchored to this evil you are. The Lord will set you free. Don't think I am heartless, I've been a rock to so many but yes I am going to say get over it. Bad things happen to a lot of people we struggle with them but the only power they have over us is the power we give them.

As for betting over sex, it was a bet about basic male instict involving sex. Sure we could all pretend were perfect and don't feel impulses, we do and we need to accept that--bit that doesn't mean we let them rule us--we need to be accountable!

Sexual abuse is about being powerless and no one in Christ is powerless!

It just really gets to me when people martyr it when it's no worse than being beaten, stabbed or shot. This is personal experince here so don't dare call me on that, I'm not going into it. God has given us everything we need to provide for everyone in this world and everyday millions of innocent children die because of starvation because we dump hundreds of tons of food into the ocean everyday because of fear and greed.

Sometimes I wonder if people really know how currupt and evil this world really is?

We are not victims. We have a job to do tgat is bigger than that. Does this mean I would be so heartless in real life? No I'm a real "sweet guy" but I just expected more from the Christian community. I'm out here in armor of faith and sword of truth EVERYDAY and yeah I'm wounded, I'm hurt bad, bit in him I am strong and a soldier for rightiousness not a coward hiding in my pain.

I will never be powerless like that again!
 
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You know, we DO NOT allow our self to be a victim, if you read up...most, if not all are CHILDREN even BABIES. Someone can't stop something they don't understand. Or when it's rape, you have no power. We are not anchored to evil either...you know..I'll just stop there....this is becoming VERY offensive, and so I shouldn't respond right now. You get on the other side and you'll understand, I hope and pray to God you never have to be on the other side though. Seoul, I'm sorry, I'm done with this thread, at least for now....God bless.
 
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I've been on the other side ARGH!

-storms out-

you think you know because you read a book?!
I'm trying to stop this evil your condoning weakness.

I have to leave too, sorry Seoul.
 

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I do understand what you are saying, Liam, in that sometimes God does tell us that He's taken care of an issue... so we have to stop bringing it up. That's happened to me as well... I mean, I could say, "I forgave" but if I kept talking about it or complaining about it or told everyone around me about it constantly... then yes, I wasn't over it... and when God tells us it's over, we have to make that choice to proactively live in that tense.

A boyfriend from my past had been through terrible things, including coming home and finding the mother of his children drowned in the bathtub (she had a seizure while giving one of the kids a bath and fell into the water), and yes, it was a terrible, horrible, agonizing thing I couldn't even imagine going through... but he used it as a constant excuse to hold on to his addictions (which he had long before that happened), and he would tell everyone he met about it... making it sound as sad as possible, hoping they would offer him money or some sort of "help". In many cases, people did just that, because, of course, kids were involved... but he clung on to those old pains... and wound up losing custody of his kids anyway because all he'd use the money for was alcohol.

He's never made the choice to allow himself to be healed and finally move past it because bringing it up over and over again provides a "cushion" of support that keeps him from making any responsible choices.

People would probably say I was cold-hearted for leaving him and his kids, because they really did see me as their surrogate mother. But I had to... because I was dying in that situation right along with him.