Drugs are bad, mmkay?

[Thanatos]

Just want to point out to people who live in states that allow medical marijuana: You're still breaking the law of the land as there is still a federal mandate against it's usage. I have no idea why the government doesn't fix this blatant rebellion by certain states of the Controlled Substances ACT. Either legalize it so that the states can decide for themselves, or enforce the law!

Controlled Substances Act (CSA) (21 U.S.C. § 811)

 

[Stone5524]

From the age of 13 to 25 I smoked marijuana habitually. I have an addictive personality, meaning regardless of the substance I could gain a dependence on it.

I can't speak for others, but marijuanas only difference from other substances was my mentality during it. Yes, high on THC was more pleasant to be around than the average beliggerent drunk, but that was the only pro over con's.

The con's for me came when I realized how much I craved it...craved it more than any type of significant relationship with people or god. Craved it that my first purchase on payday was for weed...but why? And the only reason anyone actually smokes weed is because it temporarily allows you to leave behind the troubles of your reality for a false reality. That's the simple truth. That's all THC creates and does...a false reality.

Of course, I can only speak on my own behalf. Maybe for others the plant is not addictive like my mind made it. Maybe there's a place for it in others people lives like cancer patients...probably safer than a lot of pills out there which I know about as well.

 

[didymos]

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

So is Southpark, mmkay?

 

[Lynx]

From the age of 13 to 25 I smoked marijuana habitually. I have an addictive personality, meaning regardless of the substance I could gain a dependence on it.

I can't speak for others, but marijuanas only difference from other substances was my mentality during it. Yes, high on THC was more pleasant to be around than the average beliggerent drunk, but that was the only pro over con's.

The con's for me came when I realized how much I craved it...craved it more than any type of significant relationship with people or god. Craved it that my first purchase on payday was for weed...but why? And the only reason anyone actually smokes weed is because it temporarily allows you to leave behind the troubles of your reality for a false reality. That's the simple truth. That's all THC creates and does...a false reality.

Of course, I can only speak on my own behalf. Maybe for others the plant is not addictive like my mind made it. Maybe there's a place for it in others people lives like cancer patients...probably safer than a lot of pills out there which I know about as well.

I thought that, but this is the first time I've seen someone else say it. For some time I have believed people who are always drunk (or stoned, or high on something else) do the drug so often because they don't like their reality, so they escape it by adopting the drug's artificial reality. And the more they do the drug, the worse their real reality becomes, and the stronger the desire to turn to the drug's reality.

I never mentioned it before though, because I've never been there myself so I didn't know for sure what addicts' motivations are.

 

[Lynx]

Of course this could also apply to people who spend their time on facebook, or playing video games, or watching TV all day long, or even bookworms - anything that allows one to escape reality for a time can be abused.

 

[Stone5524]

I read a lot...but that happened in part because when I stopped smoking weed and drinking, a part of me needed to fill the emptiness that was left by the absense of substance.

Yes I read fiction but it doesn't distort my perception of reality. I can differentiate the two. I mean...imagination is a crucial part to being a human being, otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented in our creation by god. Exercise of that imagination is healthy to a certain extent so I wouldn't see reading as harmful.

Consider this...you do not make a person or a society stronger by removing entirely subjects that are wrong or in objection to what is god. By removing these things you only create a weak minded person who is totally reliant on what is given to them as truth, and this creates the perfect mental atmosphere for a person to not have any objective thinking...this is how cults thrive, by eliminating any personal thinking or imagination.

God does not create strength in a person by giving them a cake walk...god creates strength through struggle and adversity. Any person with a strong foundation in Christ is someone who has had continual difficult questions and trials in faith.

 

[Stone5524]

Hitler enjoyed burning books

 

[Lynx]

Precisely. And reading and television and facebook and even video games have good uses in their proper places. But everything that can be an escape from reality can be abused.

The reason addictions of all kinds are such a problem these days is we have much more free time to give to them, and they are so readily available.

Ever read a book called Mindkiller? It's about a near future where the drug of choice is direct stimulation of the brain's pleasure center. And the one who invented it specifically WANTS people to get addicted... to weed them out of the gene pool. The book is by Spider Robinson, if you're interested.

 

[Stone5524]

I think I saw that book advertised on amazon a little bit ago. I usually get a couple books every week and will check it out.

Its no different than putting mice in a cage and filling a water bottle with dopamine. Even mice were smart enough to begin pressing a button on a panel which activated the access to the dopamine which triggers the feel good sensors in the brain. It's the same trouble with pornography where the act of sexual stimulation tends to make most people look upon other human beings as nothing more than a source of physical pleasure.

I had to get rid of Facebook 5 years ago because I saw how much time I would spend on it and how it centered on my mind.

 

[Brainfreeze]

have a hard time myself with this subject. My opinions are mine. I think it's a case by case subject determined by the people that use it and their experince with it. I do feel it's a " gateway " so to speak because folks who deal in it, will usually deal in other things, I know " I have " see my testimony. I wouldn't give wine to a child yet Jesus drank wine. I try to find the innocence in all things, as Jesus related to children when He said the kingdom of God is for children as these. So.. What I'm getting at here is I think if a child has cancer and marijuana helps, awesome, I think if someone is in control of their actions and mind while smoking at home or in a casual setting, I don't mind it, if it helps people who supposedly get " prescribed " Marijuana in the new legal states and old ones " Cali ". I never heard of anyone over dosing on marijuana either.


70% of America is on prescription pills and there's tons of reasons why, I don't like alcohol to much, I smoke cigarettes ugh! I wouldn't go to a doctor for some chemicals they've put together with pharma buddies " even if I get sharp back pain from injury ". I think opiates and depression type drugs like zanx is a big problem because it's been accepted as normal for the public to have a script full from a doc. It's acceptable to have chemicals control the way we talk and feel. Then the big prob is herion, cocaine, extacsy, meth, ...and so on, these drugs kill people everyday.


Talking about drugs ...anyone ever heard of DMT?


If a person has control of their judgment, and know what's going on around them to a tee, I see no problem with unique cases, depends on the individual. It's when our judgment is impaired is where problems begin, being out of control in more then one way, rather the person addictive state is out of control, stealing to support the habits or mentally out of control, doing things they would never do otherwise. Also if it changes your serotonin and melatonin that controls your feelings, so 70% of America on prescription pills, is out of control so to speak.

Yea, so as the world turns and time moves, I've found that weed is no good. It's not only at the moment a gateway to other drugs but it's a key to a gateway of another realm, most people socialized with it are in dark or confused places in their lives, and for Christians to be around it just gives the devil an opening to use, abuse, and try to trap us. I stand corrected .. Weed/marijuana NO GOOD. Thank you Father God for revealing what's true and right.

 

[MollyConnor]

Precisely. And reading and television and facebook and even video games have good uses in their proper places. But everything that can be an escape from reality can be abused.

The reason addictions of all kinds are such a problem these days is we have much more free time to give to them, and they are so readily available.

Ever read a book called Mindkiller? It's about a near future where the drug of choice is direct stimulation of the brain's pleasure center. And the one who invented it specifically WANTS people to get addicted... to weed them out of the gene pool. The book is by Spider Robinson, if you're interested.

Sounds like a cool book, but wouldn't those addicted still be able to reproduce? How would an addiction get them out of the gene pool?

 

[Born_Again]

I keep reading this thread as "Drugs are bad, monkey." lol

 

[Oncefallen]

Ever read a book called Mindkiller? It's about a near future where the drug of choice is direct stimulation of the brain's pleasure center. And the one who invented it specifically WANTS people to get addicted... to weed them out of the gene pool. The book is by Spider Robinson, if you're interested.

Sounds like a cool book, but wouldn't those addicted still be able to reproduce? How would an addiction get them out of the gene pool?

To a person that is addicted to something the only thing that matters in life is fulfilling the addiction. If someone were to have the ability to directly stimulate the brain's pleasure center and develop an addiction to it (pretty easy to do) you'd be lucky to get them out of the house to go to work. An addiction of that type would quickly override any other desire or pleasure in life.

 

[Zmouth]

Kind of like saying i'm spiritually ok with having sex outside of marriage, long as it isn't too often.

What is wrong with physical relations between consenting adults?

Luke 20:34-36The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[cinder]

What is wrong with physical relations between consenting adults?

Luke 20:34-36The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Congratulations on winning the prize for scripture most taken out of context in this thread (possibly in this forum). But for the record, that passage means that marriage is for people when they're on earth, not after they're raised from the dead and living in heaven. The passages prohibiting sexual relations outside of marriage are numerous. It's hard to get through a book of the new testament (at least books that are more than 1 page long) without finding some reference to sex being reserved for marriage.

 

[ember]

Congratulations on winning the prize for scripture most taken out of context in this thread (possibly in this forum). But for the record, that passage means that marriage is for people when they're on earth, not after they're raised from the dead and living in heaven. The passages prohibiting sexual relations outside of marriage are numerous. It's hard to get through a book of the new testament (at least books that are more than 1 page long) without finding some reference to sex being reserved for marriage.

not buying it

I bet he knows full well better that scripture does not say what he is torturing it to say

ps...it does say marriage at any rate LOL!~

 

[Lynx]

To a person that is addicted to something the only thing that matters in life is fulfilling the addiction. If someone were to have the ability to directly stimulate the brain's pleasure center and develop an addiction to it (pretty easy to do) you'd be lucky to get them out of the house to go to work. An addiction of that type would quickly override any other desire or pleasure in life.

Precisely what happens in the book. The stimulation device allegedly gives a charge to the pleasure center once every fifteen seconds but it can be modified with really complex tools like a nail file. And it is intentionally easy to override - that's what the guy who invented it wants people to do. So people who are weak-minded will override their stimulators, get a continuous pleasure charge... and lie in bed for a week or so until they die of dehydration. The smart ones will connect themselves to a water IV so they will last until they die in more than a month of starvation.

A really cheerful book, that was... >.> But it sounded like a good plan, assuming you wanted to weed all the addictive personalities out of the gene pool.

 

[A_Friend_In_Christ]

CC does not promote the use of drugs. Any person promoting that drugs are cool while kids are on cc and can read it or hear it in chat should be banned.

If you see someone promoting illegal drugs tell a mod and report it.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

If a person has control of their judgment, and know what's going on around them to a tee, I see no problem with unique cases, depends on the individual. It's when our judgment is impaired is where problems begin, being out of control in more then one way, rather the person addictive state is out of control, stealing to support the habits or mentally out of control, doing things they would never do otherwise. Also if it changes your serotonin and melatonin that controls your feelings, so 70% of America on prescription pills, is out of control so to speak.

The US Government is in bed with big pharma to push questionable drugs (poisons that are barely effective at curing problems) when we have many natural remedies available that work better. It's a form of population control. Medicines for the mentally ill, for example? Yeah, NO. (This is why i personally am a marijuana advocate for the purposes of anxiety and other psychological ails. Way more effective and healthier than all that trash in many cases).

As for as recreational drug use, what is it causing us to do? Not that i've never used drugs and done something stupid (i grew up poor on the streets due to the choices of other people [long story. different ball of wax altogether]), just saying. If drugs are trashing our health and we are committing crimes and making harmful decisions as a result of our choices to use, then we might want to take a look at laying off.

For what it's worth, i believe that there are too many drugs available in our society. Way too many.

I blame the CIA.

 

[BeyondET]

Bud wipers are far far less damaging to the Brain and Body,, though wait until one turns 21 then drink like a fish pour it down like water.
its on TV in sports it's everywhere. Ahhh The beauty of the modern mind.