Sexual Harassment in the Workplace..Advice??

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One thing I would like to point out is that if men and women are working together, and a man compliments you on..... anything..... "Pull in the horns!"

Yes, he might only be trying to see if he will also be found attractive. Believe it or not, this is probably how you and I both came to be. Our fathers tested the waters, maybe for a long time, before they got the nerve to risk being rejected if they asked our mothers out on a date.

Get over the fact that men WILL see women as women, no matter if they are at work, or not.
 
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If it's a situation in which a recording wouldn't be considered illegal, what do you all think about recording someone on your phone?

For example, if it's a situation in which you are being unlawfully touched and you are making it clear that it's unwanted, could you legally make a video recording on your phone and use it a proof?

It just seems like the courts would find a way to use it against you. "Invasion of privacy" and all that garbage. Never mind that the jerk/jerkette is invading YOUR privacy...

Or they'd say, "See? This person is into 'lewd' things, like recording someone and watching them... Surely they invite such behavior..."

I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to sexual harassment cases. All too often, it seems like the perpetrator wins.
Then, instead if trying to come up with reasons it WON'T work, go directly to your HR people and ask them what they would consider acceptable, and how they would expect it to be approached. They will NOT tell you to just ignore it, because they know YOU could bring that back on them.
 
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People don't really need the courts in cases like this. If you got that creepy guy/gal on tape...make him/her the new youtube star...no video? Well, make one fitting the recording...should get things goin...
 
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coby

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What kind of work are you looking for? Pray for a good job. First job I had was quite simple work and a sort of factory, horrible atmosphere and especially one such a guy who was also a manager made me leave within a week. Even walking around like a homeless dude didn't work. Prayed for another job. Still work there. It's mostly men that work here but they're intelligent and never had any problems.
 
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People don't really need the courts in cases like this. If you got that creepy guy/gal on tape...make him/her the new youtube star...no video? Well, make one fitting the recording...should get things goin...
But, I would stress that you should always take the front door first.
 
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ramx2016

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People don't really need the courts in cases like this. If you got that creepy guy/gal on tape...make him/her the new youtube star...no video? Well, make one fitting the recording...should get things goin...
Not to be completely inappropriate... :)

In the military this is just rampant... esp. with the younger crowd...

One thing I will never forget is when a young girl called out a senior in front of his staff loudly saying "well let's see it....whip it out.."...ppl about fell out!

Never had another issue... :)
 
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Not to be completely inappropriate... :)

In the military this is just rampant... esp. with the younger crowd...

One thing I will never forget is when a young girl called out a senior in front of his staff loudly saying "well let's see it....whip it out.."...ppl about fell out!

Never had another issue... :)
You make me laugh. Some time, I might tell you (privately) a similar story of how I handled a rough and tumble Iron Worker (often VERY crude guys) on one of my jobs. Suffice it to say that he soon begged me to quit leading him around....
 

kodiak

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Willie,

I really liked your post, but I just wanted to ask--when is it considered illegal to record someone and use it as proof against them?

I've been given the advice to record someone before, too, but have also been told by others that this can be illegal (and that you might be the one getting into trouble for recording them.)
It varies by state what the law says....In some states you can record phone calls if one of the people in the conversation knows, but others require all to know....So it is best to check your state's statutes before doing anything like that.
 
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BeyondET

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Lol thank you Astrid!
Love you....
And thank you BeyondET...
My dear friend I love you too!

But I'm just a girl ET lol

I don't wanna carry a big stick lol
No fair lol

A girl wants rainbows and butterflies in the bad world :)

But yea...
God is on my side!
Hugs baby doll!
True that taser him until he flops like fish out of water or use a big stick voice do the other type of shock treatment on him get loud like a wild woman with red eyes and fire rolling into his ears. surely he will think twice before doing that again.
 
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Lol
What about Aqua Net hairspray from the 80s KaylaGirl?

That stuff could hold up the Leaning Tower of Pisa....
And ruin the ozone layer....
Rollseyes
:p

Lol not kidding! I can't believe we use to breathe that stuff in! It had to be bad for your health.lol
 
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I copied from a website about sexual harrassment.

It's entitled "What should I do if I believe I am facing sexual harrassment at work?"

/startWhat should I do if I believe I am facing sexual harassment at work?
Remember that each situation is different, and you should take the steps that make sense in your case.


  1. Consult your employee handbook or policies. If your employer has a sexual harassment policy in place, follow it. Put complaints in writing. Take notes on the harassment and be specific in your details — note the time and place of each incident, what was said and done, and who witnessed the actions.

  1. If you feel safe speaking directly to the person harassing you, take these steps:
    1. Explain what behavior is bothering you. Name the behavior and be specific.
    2. Tell the harasser that their attention or behavior is bothering you.
    3. Ask the harasser to stop the behavior.

  1. Tell your supervisor about the behavior and the steps you have taken to address it. If you do not feel comfortable speaking directly to the person harassing you, go directly to your supervisor or human resources department.

  1. File a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. If you believe you have a Title VII claim, you have the right to file a discrimination complaint with the EEOC, the federal agency charged with enforcing many anti-discrimination laws. But don’t wait to file your complaint! In most cases you have 180 days — that’s six months — from the date of the discriminatory activity to file a discrimination charge with the EEOC in order to preserve your rights. You do not need an attorney to file a complaint with the EEOC. The EEOC’s website offers instructions on filing a charge.

Source: Know Your Rights at Work: Workplace Sexual Harassment: AAUW
 

phil36

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Sexualharassment is often times quite hard to prove if you have no directwitness's even then it can be hard (depending upon thebehaviour).

Zero has posted some good advice. Document every detail (that goesfor any workplace complaint). Believe me I know how importantthis is to winning any complaint. I was a trade union representative for 12 years at local level, national level and withinmy company at European level (EWC).

As I understand the laws are a lot more lax in America towards thevictim than they are in Europe (I could be wrong here). But themethods are usually the same. Documenting details of each offence iscrucial..date/time, where it happened who was present and facts ofwhat happened. Now, we need to differentiate between facts andfeelings... over here both are very important both in sexualharassment cases and workplace bullying. So document facts,then also document how that made you feel, because how you feel isthe net damage/trauma inflicted upon you.

The first step is to highlight to the alleged perpetrator that their behaviour is offensive as sometimes some people are not aware that their behaviour might be. If you find this difficult, or you'feel' or are factually intimidated (doesn't matter which) report thematter to your supervisor inwriting (preferably email if you can). Please be aware from this point on, always do everything in writing and ask your supervisor/manager to so the same. This will safeguard you and the company (in the UK the company can also be held liable if they do not deal with sexual harassment correctly).


I am not sure how trade unions work in America, I have a feeling thatit is totally different from here? But speak to your union rep, asthey will be able to act on your behalf (that's what they aremandated for -well here atleast).


Something else that might help is what we nickname here as the third party rule(this may not be true for the US, but is under EU law). This rulemeans that it does not have to be the victim of sexual harassment who makes the complaint, it could be a witness to the offensive action. This complaint is just as serious as if it where the victim themselves.


Another option would be what we call a 'collective grievance' this is wheremore than one person signs a complaint. The complaint is then dealt with collectively, and is a strong witness on its own, especially everyone who has witnessed or and has evidence.


No one should have to deal with sexual harassment in the workplace. I would urge more co-workers to stand up to this if they witness it.


One last point, If the offender is aggressive this could also be deemedas work place bullying. This a separate offence...but could bolsteryour case. My own view is that if the the alleged offender carries on their offensive behaviour then I would say that the company should remove them to another area of work or suspend them... as they have acare of duty to all employees, I actually demanded that this happenonce and the company obliged..


Anyhow I hope some of the advice here might help someone in the future andto highlight that as a co worker you should also help your fellow colleagues when you see any sort of offensive behaviour towards another. As a rep over the years I have to deal with 4 sexual harassment cases, and I can tell you its not an easy thing to prove. We won 3 and lost 1... But I might add the man involved in the casewe lost did not stay long....!
 
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seoulsearch

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One thing I would like to point out is that if men and women are working together, and a man compliments you on..... anything..... "Pull in the horns!"

Yes, he might only be trying to see if he will also be found attractive. Believe it or not, this is probably how you and I both came to be. Our fathers tested the waters, maybe for a long time, before they got the nerve to risk being rejected if they asked our mothers out on a date.

Get over the fact that men WILL see women as women, no matter if they are at work, or not.
I'd like to point out though that there is a very fine line between "compliments" and harassment when the "compliments" are unwanted.

I was once in a situation in which a man nearly twice my age started out by telling me, literally everyday, that he thought I was "beautiful." Sweet, right? Nice compliment. I didn't think much of it. But when it turned out that he would tell me this every single day, it made me a little uneasy, and as time went on, it began to escalate.

Eventually, along with the comment about how he thought I was beautiful, he started asking me things such as, would I go to dinner with him sometime, because, "I'd be proud as a peacock to have a girl like you on my arm." This man had a long-term, live-in girlfriend. Now, is this how you would want YOUR significant other to behave? I certainly wouldn't. But he was someone who was used to living on his own terms. He told me his father had raised him to speak his mind, and told me about some times when he would compliment other women (who were married) and how their husbands would confront him but that "they just needed to get over it."

He was also a very powerful figurehead in the company, earning them a great deal of money. As time went on, he started asking me if I'm come work for him, and told me he'd give me better pay, plus whatever hours and schedule I wanted, because, in his words, "It's my world (in his department), and I make the rules." Finally, one day while he was talking to me, he had the audacity to reach out and run his fingers through my hair.

I couldn't avoid him because our work areas were literally right next to each other, and some days I would turn around and he'd literally appear out of nowhere, giving me no way of exiting except by walking past him. Aside from pats on the back/shoulder and that one time of touching my hair, he never made physical contact, but I will tell you that I was deathly uncomfortable around him. I started making sure I always had some kind of cart of merchandise with me so that I could always try to make sure the cart was between us (creating a physical barrier) when he talked to me, or I would have an easy out: "Well, I gotta get this stuff put up... Talk to you later!"

One of the blessings I've had in being single with no kids is that I could turn down his job offer. More money and better hours would have been great, but for me, it just wasn't worth the risk. I'd rather eat ramen noodles than choose to put myself in possibly treacherous situation, and I feel terrible for anyone who feels they have to jeopardize their safety for a "better" job.

All of this happened over a period of about 2 years, so it wasn't overnight. I know some people will say, "Oh Seoul, that's nothing," and yes, compared to other stories, I know this will be seen as nothing. But where, exactly, is the line? How much do you put up with, and how much do you pay attention to your instincts? Some people will say, "What's the matter with you, Seoul? You can't take a compliment?" or, "What if you were wrong, and projecting your own paranoia onto an innocent man?" Those are perfectly valid questions, and "technically", this man wasn't "doing anything wrong". I certainly didn't have any kind of case against him from a legal standpoint. But I got to a point where just the thought of having to see this man made me nervous and anxious because it was obvious to me that he had no morals or boundaries, and even if anyone had stood up to him, he had never been reprimanded in a way that made him stop.

God finally gave me a way out. A shift that no one wanted became available and I jumped at the chance. It wasn't my only reason I took that shift, but knowing that I would have to see much less of this person gave me a much greater peace of mind. In the process, I came to actually like that shift and was given a slight raise, so God blessed me with everything this man had supposedly offered anyway, and without all the unwanted "compliments".
 
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I'd like to point out though that there is a very fine line between "compliments" and harassment when the "compliments" are unwanted.

I was once in a situation in which a man nearly twice my age started out by telling me, literally everyday, that he thought I was "beautiful." Sweet, right? Nice compliment. I didn't think much of it. But when it turned out that he would tell me this every single day, it made me a little uneasy, and as time went on, it began to escalate.

Eventually, along with the comment about how he thought I was beautiful, he started asking me things such as, would I go to dinner with him sometime, because, "I'd be proud as a peacock to have a girl like you on my arm." This man had a long-term, live-in girlfriend. Now, is this how you would want YOUR significant other to behave? I certainly wouldn't. But he was someone who was used to living on his own terms. He told me his father had raised him to speak his mind, and told me about some times when he would compliment other women (who were married) and how their husbands would confront him but that "they just needed to get over it."

He was also a very powerful figurehead in the company, earning them a great deal of money. As time went on, he started asking me if I'm come work for him, and told me he'd give me better pay, plus whatever hours and schedule I wanted, because, in his words, "It's my world (in his department), and I make the rules." Finally, one day while he was talking to me, he had the audacity to reach out and run his fingers through my hair.

I couldn't avoid him because our work areas were literally right next to each other, and some days I would turn around and he'd literally appear out of nowhere, giving me no way of exiting except by walking past him. Aside from pats on the back/shoulder and that one time of touching my hair, he never made physical contact, but I will tell you that I was deathly uncomfortable around him. I started making sure I always had some kind of cart of merchandise with me so that I could always try to make sure the cart was between us (creating a physical barrier) when he talked to me, or I would have an easy out: "Well, I gotta get this stuff put up... Talk to you later!"

One of the blessings I've had in being single with no kids is that I could turn down his job offer. More money and better hours would have been great, but for me, it just wasn't worth the risk. I'd rather eat ramen noodles than choose to put myself in possibly treacherous situation, and I feel terrible for anyone who feels they have to jeopardize their safety for a "better" job.

All of this happened over a period of about 2 years, so it wasn't overnight. I know some people will say, "Oh Seoul, that's nothing," and yes, compared to other stories, I know this will be seen as nothing. But where, exactly, is the line? How much do you put up with, and how much do you pay attention to your instincts? Some people will say, "What's the matter with you, Seoul? You can't take a compliment?" or, "What if you were wrong, and projecting your own paranoia onto an innocent man?" Those are perfectly valid questions, and "technically", this man wasn't "doing anything wrong". I certainly didn't have any kind of case against him from a legal standpoint. But I got to a point where just the thought of having to see this man made me nervous and anxious because it was obvious to me that he had no morals or boundaries, and even if anyone had stood up to him, he had never been reprimanded in a way that made him stop.

God finally gave me a way out. A shift that no one wanted became available and I jumped at the chance. It wasn't my only reason I took that shift, but knowing that I would have to see much less of this person gave me a much greater peace of mind. In the process, I came to actually like that shift and was given a slight raise, so God blessed me with everything this man had supposedly offered anyway, and without all the unwanted "compliments".
My I had such a guy for a week and I just left. Bye bye! Went to do catering work which paid half of what I got there, but I couldn't care less. My ex was so stupid to tell me I had to look nice and put on a dress to get the job. Right. Within a few days I walked around with my ex's clothes like a manwive, but even that didn't stop him, so I simply left.
 
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coby

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One thing I would like to point out is that if men and women are working together, and a man compliments you on..... anything..... "Pull in the horns!"

Yes, he might only be trying to see if he will also be found attractive. Believe it or not, this is probably how you and I both came to be. Our fathers tested the waters, maybe for a long time, before they got the nerve to risk being rejected if they asked our mothers out on a date.

Get over the fact that men WILL see women as women, no matter if they are at work, or not.
Ah if it's a normal person that's great. I had a collegue who would make such remarks, but he was just a nice guy and didn't mean anything wrong with it. If I didn't look good he'd tell me too. Once early in the morning, I just jumped out of my bed and looked kinda pale, he said: Aaaaaah! I thought I saw a ghost hahahahahahaha.
 
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JeniBean

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Hi Beautiful! So as a single woman who has endured this for many years. I have to say this. It is not like it used to be, corporations have strict policies now and offer training. That being said it does not always deter the idiot men and woman from their remarks, grabs etc. I finally decided the best thing to do was ugly myself up. I know this sounds horrible but I did for the longest time. Smashed the tatas in jogging bras, wore big ugly pants, big ugly shoes, did a bun in the head and had my neck line to my collar bone. It helped a lot, up until someone runs into you on the weekend. That being said, by then they no I carry weapons, have a black belt and a sharp mind and they just would stare at me. That's acceptable. Now days im the boss and I have strict guidelines or people lose their job. I will pray for you and wish you luck.
 
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Ah if it's a normal person that's great. I had a collegue who would make such remarks, but he was just a nice guy and didn't mean anything wrong with it. If I didn't look good he'd tell me too. Once early in the morning, I just jumped out of my bed and looked kinda pale, he said: Aaaaaah! I thought I saw a ghost hahahahahahaha.
What's "a normal person?" Obviously one who you find acceptable. Too bad for the rest.

Frankly, a comment directed at a woman by another woman... single and over twice the drinking age.... calling her "beautiful", could be taken as sexual harassment..... if you made sexual orientation preconceptions about the first poster..... (not a "normal person.")

I think a lot more may be behind many complaints than might be fully realized.
 
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I can only dream of being sexually harrassed. :(

Yeah...it's hard to resist that yummy feeling of being treated like a consumer product available to whomever for whatever purpose instead of being treated as a human being.