Star Wars: The Force Awakens! *Spoilers*

[Lynx]

Siberian: That was hilarious! I never knew so many people would analyze a movie series so deeply and seriously.

I wonder... did they ever ask George straight out what he meant? And would he agree with all those analyses?



I'm reminded of a science fiction short story I read once, about a college science professor who invented a time machine and brought Shakespeare himself back to the present. Shakespeare was of course amazed at many things about the present time, but he was most amazed at what people said about the plays he wrote. "Is there anything that cannot be wrung from a handful of words in a few hundred years? One could wring methinks a flood from a damp dishclout."

The professor had to send the Bard back to his own time though. He was just too heartbroken to stay. You see, the science professor enrolled him in a Shakespeare appreciation class, without telling the literary professor in charge of the class who this guy was... and the lit professor flunked him.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Siberian: That was hilarious! I never knew so many people would analyze a movie series so deeply and seriously.

I wonder... did they ever ask George straight out what he meant? And would he agree with all those analyses?

It is kind of funny (and kind of sad). What's weird is that it's a lot of speculation. Why is an encyclopedia entertaining so much hearsay?

 

[Tintin]

I see the Star Wars universe as one made up from a mix of faiths. There's a dash of Gnosticism, a tablespoon of Taoism and a cup full of Christianity.

 

[Lynx]

It is kind of funny (and kind of sad). What's weird is that it's a lot of speculation. Why is an encyclopedia entertaining so much hearsay?

That's exactly what I was wondering. There was no single solid fact in the whole article. Just "it seems to be derived from..."

I don't see it making the Encyclopedia Britannica. But it might be included in the next issue of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

 

[Lynx]

What I still can't see is why they threw out all the Star Wars books. The Hand of Thrawn series alone would make a few movies. And Joruus (clone of Jorus) could be the nexus of a movie by himself.

With all the old stories they are mining for new movies these days, why throw away the mother lode?

 

[Tintin]

What I still can't see is why they threw out all the Star Wars books. The Hand of Thrawn series alone would make a few movies. And Joruus (clone of Jorus) could be the nexus of a movie by himself.

With all the old stories they are mining for new movies these days, why throw away the mother lode?

I'm not sure, but they're definitely picking bits and pieces from the Expanded Universe. I loved The Hand of Thrawn series!

 

[Lynx]

It was the only time I was genuinely worried about the Republic. I couldn't see how the author could pull them out of this one. Thrawn had them believing he could fire right through a planetary shield, by putting cloaked ships just inside the shield long before he showed himself, and having them fire with perfect timing relative to the ships outside the shield.

Come on Disney! You stole the whole Lion King idea (and Timba would have been a much better name... you should have kept that from the Lion Prince original you heisted.) Why can't you see a great idea when it's there for the stealing?

 

[seoulsearch]

Hi Remember (for some reason my "Reply with Quote" is not functioning, so I just copy and pasted your post),


(Remember the Sabbath Day posted


Thank u for this reply.


Nope I am not into the things which you have stated. What my relatives did or do was and is of their choosing. What I have posted here is to hopefully draw people away from the entertainment of Satan and to the real war that has a bearing on man's souls. Jesus is coming soon, do u think we have time to drag our feet? Look around you and look at the signs of the times. There is a storm gathering and God says it will be like no man has ever known since the world has existed. Is Satan dragging his feet? To each its own, but didn't Jesus say tell them? He loves us and not willing that any should perish. Do u want to stand in the way of people's salvation? If people chose to be spiritually awaken...then praise the Lord! There will be many who will frown on those who share. Do u think this was meant to offend, or get people's attention? Jesus calls us all to be a witness, to do our part. Not everyone is going to like what I share, just like not everyone is going to chose to saved. Freedom is what God has given to all. If you are offended, talk to the Master.

First of all, my apologies to the OP for continuing this derailment for a few more minutes but I'm doing so because EVERY time there is a reference to pop culture, this same argument comes up.

Remember the Sabbath, I think it's great that you've isolated yourself from all pop culture influences if that works for you. Praise God! But I also think it's important to remember that just because this works for you, that doesn't mean every Christian has to live as you do. Christians who live "puritan" lives, while admirable, also have to remember that this doesn't mean they should impose their choices on others as the Pharisees did. It's one thing to state that you live that way and how it works for you; it's another thing to imply that we're all being enticed by Satan for having an interest in such things.

If you take the time to really get to know the posters in this thread, they're a very Godly bunch and are not ones who casually toss themselves at the bait of Satan on a regular basis.

You probably don't realize this, but my Dad is a pastor, and one of the reasons I love Star Wars is because they were the first movies I ever saw as a child, and it was my Dad who took me. He has also not only seen all the Harry Potter movies, but read all the books as well.

I'm sure some Christians will say, "Well then your father is NO Man of God," but as you yourself say, they need to ask God about that and take it up with Him.

I understand what you're saying: "I'm simply a messenger--if you have a problem with what I'm saying, talk to the Master" is always THE ultimate Christian Trump Card--"You're not arguing with me. You're arguing with God."

But honestly, who do you think many of us go to immediately when conflicts like this arise? God is the very first person I talk to about these things because I'll tell Him, "Ok God, this person is saying that my Dad and I are failing as Christians or are not even Christians at all because we saw Star Wars. What do YOU think? And what do think about people who make such judgments against other people?"

Watching things like Star Wars may not be right for every person, but that doesn't mean that all the people who choose to watch it are unsaved heathens, either, and should not be treated as such.

 

[Stephen63]

What I still can't see is why they threw out all the Star Wars books. The Hand of Thrawn series alone would make a few movies. And Joruus (clone of Jorus) could be the nexus of a movie by himself.

With all the old stories they are mining for new movies these days, why throw away the mother lode?

IMO, when Disney does something this big, spending billions for company & rights & trashing the majority of its material, it's because they have an agenda.

I watched a movie the other day that talked about that it will no longer be about good or bad, but something new & miraculous arising.

My, how the universalist 1%'ers are working overtime.

 

[SpySat1]

I saw the movie. I thought about it a bit the next day and I couldn't figure out... how did Rey know how to fly like that?

Also... how did Finn face Kylo Ren with lightsabers? Wasn't Kylo Ren trained by Luke Skywalker? And Finn was just a trained First Order grunt... (Those Stormtroopers aren't the best of aim with a blaster, but maybe they're better with melee weapons?) I just don't know.

I still enjoyed it for the nostalgia, the obvious parallels to A New Hope, and the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey "The Hero's Call" shot at the end with Skywalker. So cool. I shed some tears.

 

[lil_christian]

My problem with Christians making blanket statements like this is that if you're going to crucify one aspect of pop culture, then that means you have to eradicate everything all these things in your own life as well, because otherwise the Christian stating this is giving an example of hypocrisy.

For instance, sure, Christians can slam Star Wars--if you feel that strongly about it, don't go see it. But yet, entire churches will go out in flocks and droves to see The Chronicles of Narnia, which begins with a story called The Lion, The WITCH, and the Wardrobe. CERTAINLY NO MAGIC or fantasy in that series!! *cough, cough, cough* And yet Christians parade it around as a champion of evangelical teaching while condemning the entertainment choices of everyone else.

I'm not saying anything against Remember personally, but I will say to any Christian who makes these statements--I'm curious about what you choose to entertain yourself with in your own life, because I'll be expecting consistency. Are you into superheros, comics, cartoons featuring any element out of the natural realm (like talking animals), Disney movies, etc.? If so, then why are you condemning someone else's choices if you haven't eliminated these things from your own life?

Is your granddaughter into Frozen? Did she beg for an Elsa doll for Christmas? Does your husband like Superman or Batman? If so, I'd be interested in hearing the story of how you set your own life and family "straight" before preaching to anyone else.

Actually I could totally Jesus Juke Frozen for you if you'd like me to. xD lol I'm kidding, I won't do that to you guys. xD



I just saw Star Wars today and I gotta say I agree with what a lot of you have been saying about it. It was a very enjoyable movie but I did feel like it was a little half-baked in plot and character development.

 

[AsifinPassing]

Short answer: It wasn't bad, but nothing like it was being built up as/toward. Honestly, it disappointed me a little…

The cinematography and effects were spot on, but the acting and story were both pretty weak from several characters and standpoints. That's what happens when you try to extend the series though... Movies could be a lot better if the underlying motive behind wasn't always trying to make more money.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Hamill was interviewed by Rolling Stone. Thought this last little bit might intrigue anyone that enjoyed VII:

There's only one captain of every starship, see, and I've worked with Captain Lucas, Captain Kershner, Captain Marquand and now Captain Abrams, and I'm well into working with Captain [Rian] Johnson [director of Episode VIII]. It's a fantastic thing, and you look at these films that they make – Rian Johnson's never made two films that are exactly alike.

Sounds like Luke will be in the next chapter, and the next chapter won't be done by Abrams.

 

[JonahLynx]

Also... how did Finn face Kylo Ren with lightsabers? Wasn't Kylo Ren trained by Luke Skywalker?

But if you think about it Luke wasn't all that great either. Pretty much all he did was wail on Vader in ROTJ and it's not like he had anyone to train him after Yoda died. (Plus Yoda was all about the force originally). I'm thinking the art of lightsaber dueling was lost with Vader and Obi-Wan.

 

[Lynx]

As much as the light side and dark side folks have been taking each other out, I bet a lot of things have been lost. KOTOR 2, anyone? When Atris was taken down, nobody thought to secure her stash of holocrons.

 

[crosstweed]

In spite of all the hayding he gets, I have to admit - I like Kylo Ren. The second he took off that mask (I had to suppress an amused giggle) he went from creepy (in the sense of a proper and intimidating villain) to… the other kind of creepy. He was a fun and unusual character. It's amazing how a little proper acting and writing can make a whiny, ambitious, temperamental brat an interesting character… (if only Lucas had thought about that before he made prequels…)

 

[JonahLynx]

KOTOR 2, anyone?

Non-canonical now.

 

[crosstweed]

Non-canonical now.

LOL to my brother's chagrin...

 

[posthuman]

I saw the movie. I thought about it a bit the next day and I couldn't figure out... how did Rey know how to fly like that?

. . having never been off planet before, and owning nothing but a landspeeder?
yeah, that's a pretty good question.
maybe it's genetic - because i'm still leaning toward her being Han & Leia's daughter, not Luke & (who?)'s

 

[Lynx]

Non-canonical now.

That's what bugs me. All this retconned junk. Fans like continuity. If they want to rewrite a history they should make up their own stories. Retreads of stories that have already been told should be either added to or left alone, not torn down and redone.

Oh wait, sorry... nobody does new stories anymore. Just remakes of old ones. Never mind.