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[ANIOHEVTORAH]

you know im ok with you having disagreements. i have many close Christian friends and we disagree.
But why all the pomp? Why do you talk to those you dont even know with all your judgement? What
gives you all your ego that your in the clear? Do you think you have the right stuff for Gods enlightenment?

I know that I come across harsh sometimes due to how blunt and straight forward I am. And sometimes I have to check myself. Pomp? no, ego? not a chance. Judgemental? if calling what something is according to scripture, then fine. For it says we are to judge each other, to correct and exhort each other daily. If I do something wrong, I want it brought to my attention, I'm not going to sit and think ah, pour me, someone is picking on me.' If I do something wrong and someone shows me according to scripture, I eat it, and repent for it and thank them for looking out for me.

If so what is it that makes "you" so great? Is it the use of language? Are you free? and others are in bondage?
How did that happen to you? are you special? what made you special?

I'm no one, I'm only what YAH has made me through Yeshua. Yes I'm free, some are in bondage, those who reject YAH's word. There are 66 books of the Bible, not 27. Am I special? special case maybe. lol


I dont know you (unless you are that Avina guy that was here awhile back with the chip on his shoulder)
but you cant even get along with me?Like I told zone, this avinu person must have left a lasting impression on you all. I can get along with you just fine. You just don't like what I have to say.


You contend, whine, and belittle folks. I think you need to get a grip
and not think so highly of yourself.Contend? Yes. Whine? hardly. belittle? Not on purpose and would apologize if I have or do. I don't think highly of myself, I'm confident in the word and what it says. If you think this of me, than most wouldn't even be able to handle the way the apostle Paul talked to people. Just like when he called Peter out in front of everyone. Most of you would have had a fit.

All your show doesnt impress many.I'm not on here to impress anyone. The difference between you and I, is I know what it's like to be persecuted, hated, slandered for believing in Yeshua. You have no idea what real physical and mental persecution is for believing in Messiah.

I havnt seen you say one thing all that
great. I don't need to say great things, that's YAH's doing in His word.

Nope but you sure can fight. You got that right, I fight for the truth of YAH's word, that some like you, want to play it down, water it down or just trample it down. I would like to see you and a few others, just experience for one week real persecution like we do in Israel and other countries. Your tune would do a 180

Im sure someone is impressed with you....because your smart, enlightened
and just plain "special" i only can hope the rest of us could be as blessed as you. Now put me on ignore

Like I said, I'm not trying to impress. I imagine people lost for there rejection of YAH's truth, I see suffering, and I want to see them saved. The church has screwed so many people up with all it's false doctrine and water down salvation. That most in it have no idea what it is to truly walk in the ways of YAH.
He's been drawn as a Harsh and ungforgiving GOD in the OT, and is now a 'tolerant, whatever makes you happy' kind of GOD in the NT.
He is the GOD of ALL creation and deserves more respect, reverance and fear than most I've seen on here, or in the church give.
He is the one who gives and takes away life, and deserves more than what any can give.
I'm not here to pick fights, but I have no problem sounding off when someone takes the Holy written word of my creator and disregards any part of it, like it's some book off the street.
Any of us whom YAH allows to have understanding, wisdom or knowledge of His word, should consider themselves special. For there are many who have rejected His word, who have been released to a hardened heart and a reprobate mind. So I thank YAH everyday for whatever reason He saw fit to allow me to truly understand HIS amazing mercy. And that even though I still screw up, I'm quick to repent and say sorry for whatever I did to displease Him or sin against Him.

 

[Abiding]

Like I said, I'm not trying to impress. I imagine people lost for there rejection of YAH's truth, I see suffering, and I want to see them saved. The church has screwed so many people up with all it's false doctrine and water down salvation. That most in it have no idea what it is to truly walk in the ways of YAH.
He's been drawn as a Harsh and ungforgiving GOD in the OT, and is now a 'tolerant, whatever makes you happy' kind of GOD in the NT.
He is the GOD of ALL creation and deserves more respect, reverance and fear than most I've seen on here, or in the church give.
He is the one who gives and takes away life, and deserves more than what any can give.
I'm not here to pick fights, but I have no problem sounding off when someone takes the Holy written word of my creator and disregards any part of it, like it's some book off the street.
Any of us whom YAH allows to have understanding, wisdom or knowledge of His word, should consider themselves special. For there are many who have rejected His word, who have been released to a hardened heart and a reprobate mind. So I thank YAH everyday for whatever reason He saw fit to allow me to truly understand HIS amazing mercy. And that even though I still screw up, I'm quick to repent and say sorry for whatever I did to displease Him or sin against Him.

See thats what i meant about pomp, ego and the rest....and the whining.
First you dont know anyone here yet you claim you suffer more than all.
Second you know noone here yet you claim you follow the Lord better than all.
Third you know noone here and you claim you have more understanding and more bible knowledge than all.
Fourth you know noone here and assume they never read the Old Testament. Or obeyed it.
Fifth you know noone here and think you have special rights to be tough and think your standing up more than all.

Your making superior claims and you dealing out presumptions about everyone here.
If its true your correctable as you say than just get over yourself. Your a showboat with a chip on your shoulder. OK?
Remember just one thing i have said:

You dont know anybody...so talk like it without all the putdowns mr special

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

See thats what i meant about pomp, ego and the rest....and the whining.
First you dont know anyone here yet you claim you suffer more than all.
Second you know noone here yet you claim you follow the Lord better than all.
Third you know noone here and you claim you have more understanding and more bible knowledge than all.
Fourth you know noone here and assume they never read the Old Testament. Or obeyed it.
Fifth you know noone here and think you have special rights to be tough and think your standing up more than all.

Your making superior claims and you dealing out presumptions about everyone here.
If its true your correctable as you say than just get over yourself. Your a showboat with a chip on your shoulder. OK?
Remember just one thing i have said:

You dont know anybody...so talk like it without all the putdowns mr special

If this is not a case of "I know you are but what am I" than I don't know what is. Your maturity has spoken.
And your request is approved, ignore list it is. moving on.

 

[Angela53510]

I just want to clarify that my post was not directed against anyone or any particular post. Just more thinking of the conversation I had yesterday, and how many times I have had people tell me (not here, ever!!) in real life and in forums that all they need to do is study the Bible,with the Holy Spirit guiding them, and they will figure it all out by themselves.

I apologize to any I might have offended.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I just want to clarify that my post was not directed against anyone or any particular post. Just more thinking of the conversation I had yesterday, and how many times I have had people tell me (not here, ever!!) in real life and in forums that all they need to do is study the Bible,with the Holy Spirit guiding them, and they will figure it all out by themselves.

I apologize to any I might have offended.

Many of the old hippies used to do that and claim that doing drugs opened them to God's Spirit. LOL.

No, I too hope nobody is saying that we do not need to have the process of iron sharpening iron.

But the more we have been given, the greater the opportunity for us to begin to think too much of ourselves.

 

[Grandpa]

If this is not a case of "I know you are but what am I" than I don't know what is. Your maturity has spoken.
And your request is approved, ignore list it is. moving on.

Don't you think it is kind of weird to put someone on ignore? Its like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "la la la".


Also, something else which is a little strange, only avina would respond to someone inside of their quote and then post something afterwards. And you do the exact same thing. But only you. No one else. Kind of weird too, huh?

 

[Abiding]

If this is not a case of "I know you are but what am I" than I don't know what is. Your maturity has spoken.
And your request is approved, ignore list it is. moving on.

No i didnt ask you who am i. And your maturity comment is way over used today
doesnt that make you wonder in the least? And how many did you put on ignore?
was it 3 or 4? i havnt followed you so who knows. right! move on. ha
I spose the false humility has shown up...blunt and honest doesnt bug me.
elitist do. You gripe about denominations yet seem a total sectarian.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Don't you think it is kind of weird to put someone on ignore? Its like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "la la la".


Also, something else which is a little strange, only avina would respond to someone inside of their quote and then post something afterwards. And you do the exact same thing. But only you. No one else. Kind of weird too, huh?

I put them on the ignore list, so I don't end up saying something I'll regret and have to repent for.
Also, I'm not the only one who has done that. I've seen a couple people on cc who have commented in someone's quotes. But if you all love this avinu so much and want me to be that person. Than have at it. lol

Let me guess, were you not an admirer of this person either?

 

[Christabel]

I agree here again, there are cases like this. For as James 1 speaks of, there are those who are doubleminded and unstable. But in the same breathe, if someone believes that they need the teachings of men for them to understand or receive truth of YAH's word, than it is just as much of a mess as what you speak of.
I guess I would ask you straight out.
Do you believe that YAH can teach you and reveal to you His truth without ever hearing something on it from man?

Well surely we should listen to views from all kinds of different teachers. That way, we can test what they teach against scriptures and then against what we ourselves have learned thus far. If we learn something new, well hey! Even if we learn that their teachings contradict scriptures (as far as we know thus far), we can put those teachings aside. But we still can learn from those experiences, and all the more from good teachers who have studied longer with perhaps have more insight than we do at the time. Again, we must always test what they tell us against scriptures, obviously, and only after praying for guidance from the Holy Spirit, but we won't know what to avoid until we've tested it out, will we? And we might miss something vital if we avoid all other viewpoints.

 

[my_adonai_]

Ai. If Anioveh is prideful/haughty GOD will deal with. He humbles the prideful. but i pray it does go to that.

and somehow a simple beautiful thread has been destroyed by countless personal arguments, i believe its wise to just settle things in pvt with full understanding and humility valuing the Love that GOD wants you two to show that what you already know.

and ooh



Lol

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

According to the word. God has appointed Pastors, teachers, and others. The reason we have the word is to yes, learn for yourself and to confirm what the speaker is saying. The speaker must line up with the word. What happens most of the time is this,The constituent does not read the word for himself and relies on the speaker. The problem with this is that it is religion and not a personal relationship. God wants us to spend time with Him and Him With us. We do that by reading His word and in prayer. If we will do that, then we will know what the speaker is saying is true or false. I find that it is hard to stumble when I am on my knees.

 

[my_adonai_]

You're full of your selves if you think you can read the bible and grasp everything it is trying to show you. Yes the HOLY SPIRIT helps us in understanding GOD's will for our lives, but don't believe that since you have the HOLY SPIRIT that you don't need any kind of leadership or teaching given to you. And yes that teaching better line up with the word of GOD. The devil is a spirit also, he too can talk in your ears and try and convince you of things. Look at Eve.

When we learn from Teachers, or people GOD automatically works in reminding us the scriptures that we read, or the very different situations that we passed through that concern that very word. Adding Joy and PEACE as fruits of such guidance. so yeah teachers and pastors are there for a purpose.
And yes there are teachers and pastors, and other gifts that help edify and have the church grow to the fullness of CHRIST, but GOD is still the center of all revelations.

 

[jinx]

I am confused. So some people are saying the gift of TEACHING has died away? That no one needs be taught, because we have the Holy Spirit and the Word of God and we need nothing else???

Interesting thought, but so ignorant and untrue!

"And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, andvarious kinds of tongues. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?" 1 Cor. 12:28-29

Eph. 4:11-12 "And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, [SUP]12 [/SUP]to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,"

1Tim. 4:2 "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,"

James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."

And of course, many warnings through the New Testament about false teachers!!

So my thought is that God gave teachers to educated, inform and help people know more about the Bible and about God. About how to follow Christ. As for the false teachers, well, there are those, for sure, especially the cults, and that is that pale imitation that deludes people about the truth.

I was just talking to my Hebrew prof about this yesterday, and he concluded it is the height of arrogance to say that we do not need teachers, theologians and scholars. And yes, there may be disagreements on issues, but based on a thorough understanding of the Bible. We cannot begin to claim all knowledge of the Bible without a knowledge of what has gone on before. That includes writings from the earliest centuries and the patriarchs through to the present.

We must balance and weigh all sides of the theological discussions, but that cannot be done without knowing what has already been proposed. And then we can use our own discernment and study the Bible to see the wisdom of teachers from the past, who are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. One can only think of the Protestant Reformation, and those godly men who "studied to show themselves approved." Then you can move through the centuries to the present, to find all kinds of strange doctrines and ideas, such as the Shakers, and handling snakes, through the Prosperity Gospel in our century, which are patiently false.

But that does not mean we cannot learn from teachers, that God does not use teachers and preachers, and the a good consensus of sound doctrine cannot be achieved.

Anyone claiming to know everything there is to know from the Holy Spirit illuminating the Scriptures, obviously forgot to read that God did appoint people to teach!! It is self contradictory to claim to know the Bible by studying alone, without recognizing that God appointed teachers to learn to study and then to impart truths to us.

I fear for those who have gone out on their own, and unraveled all the mysteries of the Bible. For one thing, the mysteries were never all meant to be unveiled, and for another, God has called us to a community of believers. The solitary believer is NOT the Biblical form of God's plan for the church. God wants us to work together to learn and become mature, and for each disciple to become a discipler of others. Therefore, there will be teachers, and the best way to start, is to read theology, and then draw some conclusions based on extensive study of the Bible, in the context of history - from Genesis to the present.

God will not leave his people ignorant or unwise. But a single individual claiming to be the sole recipient of a truth which no one else has discovered - well, that is not good doctrine, but merely someone obsessed with their own self importance.

He who forgets the past is condemned to repeat it!

I was just thinking about those same verses tonight while taking a bath!!! Glad you said this.

 

[jinx]

Don't you think it is kind of weird to put someone on ignore? Its like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "la la la".

I believe in the iggy bin mainly because some people can get my feathers all ruffled up every time I read their stupid post, and I dont like feeling that way, so iggy it. nuttin wrong with it. good way to cool off.

 

[jinx]

When we learn from Teachers, or people GOD automatically works in reminding us the scriptures that we read, or the very different situations that we passed through that concern that very word. Adding Joy and PEACE as fruits of such guidance. so yeah teachers and pastors are there for a purpose.
And yes there are teachers and pastors, and other gifts that help edify and have the church grow to the fullness of CHRIST, but GOD is still the center of all revelations.

Well yeah, GOD gave us those teachers, but without love it is like a clanging cymbal. GOD is love.

 

[jinx]

According to the word. God has appointed Pastors, teachers, and others. The reason we have the word is to yes, learn for yourself and to confirm what the speaker is saying. The speaker must line up with the word. What happens most of the time is this,The constituent does not read the word for himself and relies on the speaker. The problem with this is that it is religion and not a personal relationship. God wants us to spend time with Him and Him With us. We do that by reading His word and in prayer. If we will do that, then we will know what the speaker is saying is true or false. I find that it is hard to stumble when I am on my knees.

I was at a ladies meeting once and the ladies there were so ignorant of what the bible teaches about certain things, I couldn't believe it. So when I said "it's such and such chapter and verse" they were amazed that it was indeed in the bible. My perception of the situation was that they believed everything that was said across the pulpit, and didn't know where it was found. They didn't study for themselves, so it wasn't a surprise when I heard things being said over pulpit that wasn't in bible and they just opened their arms and took it all in.
We left that church shortly after, which I am very glad of because it was literally turning my hair grey.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

I was at a ladies meeting once and the ladies there were so ignorant of what the bible teaches about certain things, I couldn't believe it. So when I said "it's such and such chapter and verse" they were amazed that it was indeed in the bible. My perception of the situation was that they believed everything that was said across the pulpit, and didn't know where it was found. They didn't study for themselves, so it wasn't a surprise when I heard things being said over pulpit that wasn't in bible and they just opened their arms and took it all in.
We left that church shortly after, which I am very glad of because it was literally turning my hair grey.

Happens all to often my friend. Many are preaching another gospel. The word takes us to the cross always.

 

[my_adonai_]

Ai. If Anioveh is prideful/haughty GOD will deal with. He humbles the prideful.
but i pray it does go to that.

Typo

Meant to say, hope it DOES NOT GO TO THAT.

the mysteries of GOD are hard to understand with our human minds, yes. But it does not mean that GOD complicates them.
the bible is a pretty STRAIGHT FORWARD book really, but somehow from it, the devil has managed to delude many, mislead many. and yes due to that LONE WOLF attitude, one. but also lacking that total humility to the Holy Ghost

Consider, the apostles learnt from Christ, had the torah. but NEVER HAD THE BIBLE that we have but yet they WERE THE MOST POWERFUL. and yes there was contentions at times, even caused separation, but am sure they sorted it out and did not make denominations out of it.
Their message was Christ, and Christ alone, to preach HIM crucified and resurrected. To learn from HIM and not from our understanding.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who wishes to be confused about the gifts of teaching, pastors, etc. may be if this is his desire, however reading the posts in the thread you will note there is a distinction between the assemblies of Yahweh with each's given structure and writings "about" the Word. Those in the assemblies teach and preach from the Book, and with guidance from God.

It is obvious some here do not credit or give glory to God's constant care for His children saying they do not learn by means of His Holy Spirit. The only manner to understand is by means of His Holy Spirit, be it through the structure of His assemblies or from reading, prayer and meditation.

Anyone reading anythng without asking for understanding will never sieze knowledge from Yahweh, however if that person believes he is force-feeding himself true knowledge (wisdom from Yahweh) he is deceived.

Read God's Word, believe Him, and worship Him in Jesus Christ's name, amen.

 

[jinx]

JaumeJ.... are you an SDA?