Why does the Law cause contention among professing Christians?

[PoxEclipse]

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Acts 7

Stephen’s Defense

7 The high priest said, “Are these things so?”
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2 [/SUP]And he said, “Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in [SUP][a][/SUP]Haran, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said to him, ‘Leave your country and your relatives, and come into the land that I will show you.’ [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in [SUP][b][/SUP]Haran. From there, after his father died, God had him move to this country in which you are now living. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground, and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his descendants after him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But God spoke to this effect, that his descendants would be aliens in a foreign land, and that they would [SUP][c][/SUP]be enslaved and mistreated for four hundred years. [SUP]7 [/SUP]‘And whatever nation to which they will be in bondage I Myself will judge,’ said God, ‘and after that they will come out and [SUP][d][/SUP]serve Me in this place.’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]And He gave him [SUP][e][/SUP]the covenant of circumcision; and so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day; and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]“The patriarchs became jealous of Joseph and sold him into Egypt. Yet God was with him, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and rescued him from all his afflictions, and granted him favor and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he made him governor over Egypt and all his household.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Now a famine came over all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction with it, and our fathers [SUP][f][/SUP]could find no food. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our fathers there the first time. [SUP]13 [/SUP]On the second visit Joseph [SUP][g][/SUP]made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph’s family was disclosed to Pharaoh. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then Joseph sent word and invited Jacob his father and all his relatives to come to him, seventy-five [SUP][h][/SUP]persons in all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And Jacob went down to Egypt and there he and our fathers died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]From there they were removed to [SUP][i][/SUP]Shechem and laid in the tomb which Abraham had purchased for a sum of money from the sons of [SUP][j][/SUP]Hamor in [SUP][k][/SUP]Shechem.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“But as the time of the promise was approaching which God had assured to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt, [SUP]18 [/SUP]until there arose another king over Egypt who knew nothing about Joseph. [SUP]19 [/SUP]It was he who took shrewd advantage of our race and mistreated our fathers so that they would [SUP][l][/SUP]expose their infants and they would not survive. [SUP]20 [/SUP]It was at this time that Moses was born; and he was lovely [SUP][m][/SUP]in the sight of God, and he was nurtured three months in his father’s home. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And after he had been set outside, Pharaoh’s daughter [SUP][n][/SUP]took him away and nurtured him as her own son. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Moses was educated in all the learning of the Egyptians, and he was a man of power in words and deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But when he was approaching the age of forty, it entered his [SUP][o][/SUP]mind to visit his brethren, the sons of Israel. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And when he saw one of them being treated unjustly, he defended him and took vengeance for the oppressed by striking down the Egyptian. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And he supposed that his brethren understood that God was granting them [SUP][p][/SUP]deliverance [SUP][q][/SUP]through him, but they did not understand. [SUP]26 [/SUP]On the following day he appeared to them as they were fighting together, and he tried to reconcile them in peace, saying, ‘Men, you are brethren, why do you injure one another?’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]But the one who was injuring his neighbor pushed him away, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge over us? [SUP]28 [/SUP]You do not mean to kill me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday, do you?’ [SUP]29 [/SUP]At this remark, Moses fled and became an alien in the land of [SUP][r][/SUP]Midian, where he became the father of two sons.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]“After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in the flame of a burning thorn bush. [SUP]31 [/SUP]When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he approached to look more closely, there came the voice of the Lord: [SUP]32 [/SUP]‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses shook with fear and would not venture to look. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But the Lord said to him, ‘Take off the sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I have certainly seen the oppression of My people in Egypt and have heard their groans, and I have come down to rescue them; [SUP][s][/SUP]come now, and I will send you to Egypt.’

[SUP]35 [/SUP]“This Moses whom they disowned, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’ is the one whom God [SUP][t][/SUP]sent to be both a ruler and a deliverer with the [SUP][u][/SUP]help of the angel who appeared to him in the thorn bush. [SUP]36 [/SUP]This man led them out, performing wonders and [SUP][v][/SUP]signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years. [SUP]37 [/SUP]This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet [SUP][w][/SUP]like me from your brethren.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the one who was in the [SUP][x][/SUP]congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you. [SUP]39 [/SUP]Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt, [SUP]40 [/SUP]saying to Aaron, ‘Make for us gods who will go before us; for this Moses who led us out of the land of Egypt—we do not know what happened to him.’ [SUP]41 [/SUP][SUP][y][/SUP]At that time they made a [SUP][z][/SUP]calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands. [SUP]42 [/SUP]But God turned away and delivered them up to [SUP][aa][/SUP]serve the [SUP][ab][/SUP]host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to Me that you offered victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel? [SUP]43 [/SUP]You also took along the tabernacle of Moloch and the star of the god [SUP][ac][/SUP]Rompha, the images which you made to worship. I also will remove you beyond Babylon.’

[SUP]44 [/SUP]“Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with [SUP][ad][/SUP]Joshua upon dispossessing the [SUP][ae][/SUP]nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David. [SUP]46 [/SUP]David found favor in God’s sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the [SUP][af][/SUP]God of Jacob. [SUP]47 [/SUP]But it was Solomon who built a house for Him. [SUP]48 [/SUP]However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:

[SUP]49 [/SUP]‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is the footstool of My feet;
What kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
‘Or what place is there for My repose?
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50 [/SUP]‘Was it not My hand which made all these things?’

[SUP]51 [/SUP]“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. [SUP]52 [/SUP]Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; [SUP]53 [/SUP]you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”


Judaism 101: Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings

Did the kohanim (priests) or anybody else eat the animals offered? Yes! Most types of offerings could be eaten. Certain types were eaten by the kohanim only, or by a specific kohein. Other types were eaten by the person offering the sacrifice and his family. The types of offerings and who was permitted to eat them will be discussed further below.


Jeremiah 7

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But this is [SUP][h][/SUP]what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you will be My people; and you will walk in all the way which I command you, that it may be well with you.’ [SUP]24 [/SUP]Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and [SUP][i][/SUP]went backward and not forward. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have sent you all My servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Yet they did not listen to Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck; they did more evil than their fathers.

Jeremiah 8

[SUP]8 [/SUP]“How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the Lord is with us’?
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes
Has made it into a lie.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“The wise men are put to shame,
They are dismayed and caught;
Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord,
And what kind of wisdom do they have?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Therefore I will give their wives to others,
Their fields to [SUP][c][/SUP]new owners;
Because from the least even to the greatest
Everyone is greedy for gain;
From the prophet even to the priest
Everyone practices deceit.

Deuteronomy 17:3

and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky,

1 Samuel 15:22

But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.

Psalm 40:6

Sacrifice and offering you did not desire-- but my ears you have opened -- burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

Psalm 51:16

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.

Hosea 6:6

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.


I don't know how much clearer this could be.

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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

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[Least]

Just a few passages for consideration.

Proverbs 18:19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.
Proverbs 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Leviticus 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

 

[just-me]

Wow... You really are a lost soul.

You have given me no reason to want to be like you. Thank you.

 

[JaumeJ]

I like to think your reference to dead practices are the sacrificial, ceremonial, geographical and dietary laws, because there is nothing dead about being kind and love our Father, love our neighbor, abstain from coveting at any level, abstain from killing, abstain from adultery and all the rest of the commandments of Yahweh that direct decent and good living and behavior. The commandments are not abolished but completed in Yeshua.

He teaches us what laws are to be observed if you hear Him. If not, read the laws in the Old Testamen, you will know the ones that are cruel as opposed to merciful, which are instruction in good behavior etc. These laws are very much alive, and many that seem neutral and with no obvious meaning are actually parables teaching on a completely different level.

Anyone teaching against the commandments is teaching that resisting temptation is not necessary since without the commandments temptation can have no effect, however once yielded to any temptation one has sinned, even one who walks in grace.

Yeshua teaches not to teach against even the least of these laws or you will be least in heaven. It is my heartfelt desire that all who love Yeshua obey Him, His commandments and have reward come the Kingdom.

The laws often times portrays those that do not want to follow these dead practices as doomed.Jesus Christ died to set us free from something that never was able to work,or it would still be in effect today.The Lord knew mankind needed renewal and we get that from Jesus,who took the penalty of our sins.

 

[just-me]

I like to think your reference to dead practices are the sacrificial, ceremonial, geographical and dietary laws, because there is nothing dead about being kind and love our Father, love our neighbor, abstain from coveting at any level, abstain from killing, abstain from adultery and all the rest of the commandments of Yahweh that direct decent and good living and behavior. The commandments are not abolished but completed in Yeshua.

You make some very good points. I would, however, like to add to the conversation, things concerning the Sacrificial law.

The priests were to carve up the sacrifice according to God's commandment. The fat was the Lords, and when put on the altar of burning, the fat enhanced the fire to burn even hotter. Jesus came to baptize with fire, and the Holy Spirit. The kidneys were the organs that separated the intake. The caul is a sack next to the liver that held the bitter bile that aids in digestion. These symbolized the intake, and digestion according to the intentions of a carnal mind. Jesus destroyed that attribute on the cross, i.e. the brasen altar.

For the priests sacrifice nothing was left. All sacrifices were made with salt, and we are the salt of the earth, as Jesus said. Taking all this into consideration by the Holy Spirit, we can precisely relate the priest's sacrifice to Jesus Christ, that is a statue forever. What is the law, but Spiritual food for today?

Luke 24:44-45 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

When Jesus said "concerning me" we should stop for a moment, in prayer if we are unable to see that this fulfilling is all about Him, and question; "is there more for us?'

I won't go into the sacrifices for the individual, or the congregation, but those also relate to us this day, for we are the temple not made with hands. What was then physical in a man made temple, is now the very same thing Spiritually in a temple made without hands. I think this picture is the most beautiful I have ever seen, but when I look, it is the picture I get that is in the Word of God.

Leviticus 6:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For every meat offering for the priest shall be wholly burnt: it shall not be eaten.

When God said this was a statute forever, He meant what He said.

 

[marrion]

I think we can all agree that only the moral Law of the old testament is to be followed along with the new testament.
I think our only real debate is HOW we are to follow these laws.
Do we attempt it out of our own strength and willpower or do we allow God to take the Law off of the tablets of stone and scrolls and write them in our hearts?
I think the answer is obvious.
Anyone trying to obey from his/her own willpower will fail but when we are born again and filled with Gods spirit we have a new desire and nature that seeks after righteousness and thirsts after the word of God.
We desire to live holy and in obedience to God and if we have the same spirit living in us that inspired the Bible to be wrote we will have no arguments, debates or discussions when it comes to obeying these commands.
Another major problem is that one does not know if he is initially talking to or discussing scripture with a born again Christian or someone who has just given themselves the title of a Christian.
Of course once they begin to post we can tell by what they post if they are born again and filled with the holy ghost because if they are born again and filled with the holy ghost they will stick with the word of God and not throw hate or insults to anyone who disagrees with them.
Those who are not born again and filled with Gods spirit are still in the flesh and will see obedience to Gods commands as legalism but to those who are born again and filled with Gods spirit their new nature will give them a desire to obey Gods commandments because they love him.
They will never call it legalism because they know that their love for Jesus is demonstrated by their obedience.
They would rather obey an instruction of righteousness than disobey it using the excuse that it was for another time.
They will not argue or pick and choose which apostles commands and principles they will follow because they know that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness so that we can be perfect and thoroughly furnished for every good work.
The main thing needed is the born again experience so that we can receive the new nature which will give us a desire to obey and everytime we read it will be written on our hearts and we will also have the holy spirit in us making it even more receptible because it will acknowledge the words we read because the words of the Bible were written by the inspiration of the holy spirit.

 

[just-me]

I love the story about the man named George who died, and when he arrived at the "Pearly Gates" St. Peter told him he was going to take him on a tour of heaven and of hell. First, they took a tour of heaven. Peter and George arrived just in time for dinner—it was in a huge banquet hall and the tables were sagging with the weight of the sumptuous entrees. Everyone was laughing and talking and having a wonderful time. They all looked well-fed and happy. George noticed that everyone had the longest fork he had ever seen—about four feet long!

Then Peter and George took off for hell. It was still dinner time when they arrived. The cafeteria in hell looked just like the banquet hall in heaven. The tables were loaded with food. But there was no conversation taking place— everyone looked angry and resentful, and they also looked like they were starving, in spite of all of that food right in front of them. And again George noticed that, just like in heaven, everyone in hell was holding a four-foot-long fork.

George said to St. Peter, "What's going on? It looks like the food they serve in hell is just like the food they serve in heaven. But the people in hell seem to be starving to death—they are miserable. What's the difference between heaven and hell?
St. Peter replied, "In hell, there's no spirit of giving or of service. In hell everyone looks out only for themselves. The people in the cafeteria in hell can only think about themselves. But, their forks are four feet long—when they pick up their food with those forks they can't get it in their mouths. So they are starving."

"In heaven, everyone has the same four-foot-long forks, which are far too long to feed themselves, but in heaven they all want to serve each other. When someone is hungry, all they have to do is ask the person on the other side of the table to use his or her fork to pick up some food and feed them. Sometimes people don't even have to ask. In heaven they feed each other. In hell everyone is so engrossed with looking out for number one that no one seems to think of serving someone else."

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of others. In your
relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus…(Philippians 2:3-5).

The Difference Between Heaven and Hell

 

[WomanLovesTX]

The Jews were selected by YHWH.


"You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews". John 4:22. Y'shua said this to this Samaritan woman at the well who claimed to be worshipping the same Elohim. You see, it's not what one's claim is. It's what the truth is that matters.


For thousands of years, the Israelites were taught the Hebraic teachings and were suppose to be the forerunner and FOUNDATION of the coming "movement" of YHWH. Y'shua was the manifestation of this promised abundant life - the manifested and promised essence of Judaism.


He clearly stated that salvation belongs to all the Jews, who were suppose to recognize the Saviour and bring the gospel to the world.
"and in thee (Abraham and all his descendants) shall all families of the earth be blessed." Genesis 3:2.


Why were they chosen? Because they are the children of Abraham and have the "roots" for correct foundation and doctrines of the Gospel:


Romans 3:1-2 . " What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.


Alas, the Jews failed to receive Y'shua and the new move of YHWH that was about to conquer the world. Instead, the Gentiles gladly received Him and embraced Christianity. But they were pagans who did not have the understanding of the oracles of YHWH, the Hebraic foundation from Abraham's time to Y'shua; which took 2,000 years to establish. They began to spread a gospel that was according to their own cultures and pagan interpretations. It's another 2,000 years n o w, and it's time for the testing of the Gentile Christians to recognise and identify themselves with their forsaken Biblical Hebraic roots that Messiah Y'shua is founded on.

The "dislikes" will despise Judaism, Hebraic Roots and belittle Jesus jewishness. Reason: IMO - must cling to their own cultures and pagan interpretations.

 

[2Tim3vs16]

You believe in something because someone told you to. Do you know what you are believing in? Does God want us to build a relationship with him thru other people? Or does he want us to do it because WE made a commitment with him in our own hearts; to live for his purpose after getting to know him? Your Grandmother has nothing to do with YOUR relationship with God, don't be mislead.

 

[just-me]

You believe in something because someone told you to. Do you know what you are believing in? Does God want us to build a relationship with him thru other people? Or does he want us to do it because WE made a commitment with him in our own hearts; to live for his purpose after getting to know him? Your Grandmother has nothing to do with YOUR relationship with God, don't be mislead.

That's it. right on

 

[letti]

I like to think your reference to dead practices are the sacrificial, ceremonial, geographical and dietary laws, because there is nothing dead about being kind and love our Father, love our neighbor, abstain from coveting at any level, abstain from killing, abstain from adultery and all the rest of the commandments of Yahweh that direct decent and good living and behavior. The commandments are not abolished but completed in Yeshua.

He teaches us what laws are to be observed if you hear Him. If not, read the laws in the Old Testamen, you will know the ones that are cruel as opposed to merciful, which are instruction in good behavior etc. These laws are very much alive, and many that seem neutral and with no obvious meaning are actually parables teaching on a completely different level.

Anyone teaching against the commandments is teaching that resisting temptation is not necessary since without the commandments temptation can have no effect, however once yielded to any temptation one has sinned, even one who walks in grace.

Yeshua teaches not to teach against even the least of these laws or you will be least in heaven. It is my heartfelt desire that all who love Yeshua obey Him, His commandments and have reward come the Kingdom.

I was speaking of the sacrifices of animals & old customs,how would I or could I cancel out love which does not practice evil against God.I'f I love Jesus why wouldn't I not live in a way that proves that.I't means I stay away from doing evil deeds because I love him,that means I desire to be obedient to him.The commandment to love God with all your heart and soul.I have accepted him in my heart.

 

[loveme1]

He was talking about loving God, and loving our neighbour.

If the Sabbath rest must be kept, then why not the rest of the law of Moses, including circumcision, which you just agreed is not required?

What do those that Love GOD Keep according to Scripture?

 

[loveme1]

Our beliefs differ, i believe the Commandments of GOD are the 10 written in stone.

Scripture does distinguish this i believe.

The Messiah said:

John 7

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[Praus]

Better than no peace.

2 Cor 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Eccl 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

You don’t have to listen to what you think I supposedly teach, cause you won’t believe it anyway.

It doesn't matter what you supposedly teach, what matters is that your writing ("I see it as a hunt") is not from God.

2 Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

I see it as a hunt. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

You have already predetermined that whatever I say is to be rejected, so why the snide remarks?

1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

You are welcom to stay the way you are. I'd try to communicate with you if I thought it would help.

I'm descended from 100 generations of Antiochian Syrian Christians--please do communicate what's so important about Judaism.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Even if this question you ask were legit, I would question your cause. But I don’t.

My cause is proclaiming the kingdom of God and the Blood of the Lamb--which part of that would you question?

Melchizedec
the royal king and priest of Salem i.e. greeting with happiness, shalom
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Hebrews 6:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Melchizedek was priest of the most high God, how is Melchizedek part of Judaism?

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

What do those that Love GOD Keep according to Scripture?

If we love Jesus, we will keep His commandments.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Our beliefs differ, i believe the Commandments of GOD are the 10 written in stone.

Is that the old testament, or the new?

Matthew 26:26 - 29 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Scripture does distinguish this i believe.

The Messiah said:

John 7
19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Jesus neither spoke against the Sabbath, nor circumcision, and both are referred to as the law of Moses - old testament, right?

 

[PoxEclipse]

With respect and love...

"The priests were to carve up the sacrifice according to God's commandment. The fat was the Lords, and when put on the altar of burning, the fat enhanced the fire to burn even hotter. Jesus came to baptize with fire, and the Holy Spirit. The kidneys were the organs that separated the intake. The caul is a sack next to the liver that held the bitter bile that aids in digestion. These symbolized the intake, and digestion according to the intentions of a carnal mind. Jesus destroyed that attribute on the cross, i.e. the brasen altar."

According to who's commandment? You might want to rethink this statement.
Am I the only one seeing that the /scribes/priests took 'liberties' that they were not authorized to take?

The entire animal sacrifice model resembles paganism.

Was "Jeremiah 7:22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices." a lie or was Jeremiah exposing the priesthood's lies?

Was David's statement in "Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire-- but my ears you have opened -- burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require." a lie or was he revealing the TRUE NATURE OF GOD?

Why would GOD command something he didn't desire?

But it was Solomon who built a house for Him. [SUP]48 [/SUP]However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:

[SUP]49 [/SUP]‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is the footstool of My feet;
What kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
‘Or what place is there for My repose?
[SUP]
50 [/SUP]‘Was it not My hand which made all these things?’

Let's see...first Nathan tells David, I'm happy with a tent (as he really has a throne in heaven which is beyond comparison to anything on earth)

2 Sam 7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Wherever I have gone with all the sons of Israel, did I speak a word with one of the tribes of Israel, which I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’

So let's get this straight...first the Father is happy with a tent and tells Nathan to inform David of this...then later after Solomon hooks up with the pagan wives...suddenly the Father changes his mind and says..."Hmmm...on second thought, yeah, my heavenly throne isn't cutting it anymore...you better break ground on that temple...a summer home would be just the thing for me."

You know, here are the only 'possible' conclusions I can draw...

1. The Father is wishy washy and doesn't know what HE wants. (NOT!!!)

Yet this is what the priesthood promoted.

2. The priesthood has been lying and taking liberties, even writing commands that were never commanded, in order to promote their 'business' for thousands of years. (Much more likely)

Again, eliminate the impossible...

Can't anyone see the truth of what happened? The clues are all there!

The answer to the question regarding 'contention and law'...it's been designed that way, to divide and conquer!

Who canonized the OT? Lying scribes and priests.

Who canonized the NT? Lying scribes and priests (infiltrators) which became jesuits and current day zionists.


Galatians 2:4
This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


A final suggestion to open a few eyes here...

Whenever you see the word 'law' written in the NT...substitute 'priesthood' in it's place. See if things make more sense that way. WE ARE NOT BOUND BY THE PRIESTHOOD...or...CHRIST FREED US FROM THE PRIESTS.

God is not a sadist or a being that enjoys confusing. God does not require people to have a theology degree to understand him. The only need for theologians is to reap profits and provide for themselves a well paying niche.

The next time you want to 'turn to the word of God'...remember, it's HIS VOICE. Not this half perverted text that's been re-scribed a thousand times with new twists and lies at each scribing in order to serve the 'priesthood' to enslave all of you and keep you fighting and divided.

When you read something in 'scripture', ask yourself...would God command this?

All of you had better turn on your spiritual discernment gear. For me to be the only one who can see this doesn't bode well for the faith!

You'd better start listening to THE SPIRIT, THE REAL WORD OF GOD, and stop arguing over thousand year old texts.

Where have all your arguments gotten you? Pride, arrogance, bitterness, slander, high blood pressure?

What has this TEXT done to all of you? Kept you confused and killing each other for 2,000+ years!

Listen to the FATHER and SON! You don't need the texts...even John said this!

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.


If you hear it from the Father and scripture backs it up, great! It made it through unscathed. If scripture says something and it doesn't make sense in the Spirit, then IT IS A LIE, as Jeremiah and others have warned you about! Why do you think the priests put out a contract on Jeremiah? He threatened their business model, the same as Christ did, and John, and the other apostles...

Get out from under the priesthood's perversions of the Spirit. Please people, WAKE UP!

Reference:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ong-professing-christians-19.html#post1244331

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What do those that Love GOD Keep according to Scripture?

They keep the commandments of GOD which are to have faith and love.

 

[just-me]

Hoping to develop a camaraderie with Selihah, I wanted to approach this man as Paul spoke about in 1 Corinthians 9:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Post# 308

Selihah. I see that your name means “agreeable.” That’s nice, if we agree with G-d’s Word.

I like Devarim 30, I see it is your favorite, and you probably know, we in the US have the English Bible, and we call that the book of Deuteronomy. It is definitely a blessed promise from our Lord. I am so happy that 1 year after I was born, Israel was accepted as an independent state, and now is a sovereign country. G-d has given his promise, and all His promises come true in everything.

These are some comparisons Devarim 30. I like to compare G-d's Word with other parts of His Word.

Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Matthew 22:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Romans 10:6-9 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Deuteronomy 30:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Luke 12:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
John 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Post #314

Hi just-me. Deuteronomy 30, ahhhhh I love the whole chapter. Many on the wide road say torah cannot be done that it's unattainable, too hard, etc, etc. But chapter 30 makes it quite clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with ones abilities or lack thereof. Rather God equates it with loving him and makes it an issue of free will. Choose to be obedient and have life. Choose to to forsake His ways there is death.

Post #317

Thanks man. We have something in common. I take it that you are not a believer that Jesus of the New Testament is the true Messiah foretold by the Prophets? The Old Testament, as I call it, is so very enlightening to my wife and I. Anyway, I look very forward to conversing with you more. Last year both of us, for a short time, conversed with 2 rabbis in Jerusalem. It was very rewarding, and they had much to say that was very enlightening. Just so that you know exactly where I stand with the Word of God, I believe, and it has been proven in my heart that Jesus is the true Messiah prophesied in what we know as the Old Testament. Further, all that He taught before His death is proven to also be Old Testament. I do hope that we can communicate in the future, with the Word of God being the foundation of our conversations. May God Bless you in all wisdom, and peace. Jerusalem=City of peace! I love that

Interfering with conversations causes contention when having an attitude that is downgrading. Selihah, is not a believer in Christ Jesus, and this type of interference gives the lost even more reason to turn way from professing Christians. What a waste!

1 Corinthians 9:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Post #321

Hi just-me

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Jerusalem=City of peace! I love that

Is this the "peace" you were teaching to Christian Chat, just-me?

Needing to interject what Praus is doing here. This is Selihah’s reply to Haz Post#320 but Praus has to include a remark directed my way from Selihah that was to another person just to stir the pot of contention.

Your book shows a disdain for the laws of my God and utter contempt for His first born.

Post #340 reply to Praus

Thanks man. We have something in common. I take it that you are not a believer that Jesus of the New Testament is the true Messiah foretold by the Prophets? The Old Testament, as I call it, is so very enlightening to my wife and I. Anyway, I look very forward to conversing with you more. Last year both of us, for a short time, conversed with 2 rabbis in Jerusalem. It was very rewarding, and they had much to say that was very enlightening. Just so that you know exactly where I stand with the Word of God, I believe, and it has been proven in my heart that Jesus is the true Messiah prophesied in what we know as the Old Testament. Further, all that He taught before His death is proven to also be Old Testament. I do hope that we can communicate in the future, with the Word of God being the foundation of our conversations. May God Bless you in all wisdom, and peace. Jerusalem=City of peace! I love that.

Is this the "peace" you were teaching to Christian Chat, just-me?

From post #317
Better than no peace. You don’t have to listen to what you think I supposedly teach, cause you won’t believe it anyway. You have already predetermined that whatever I say is to be rejected, so why the snide remarks? You are welcom to stay the way you are. I'd try to communicate with you if I thought it would help. Even if this question you ask were legit, I would question your cause. But I don’t.


Melchizedec

Melech = a royal king
Zedec = equity
Completeness of the name means the royal king offering equity
Each number = a letter of the Hebrew pictorial alphabet:
Letters from the Hebrew alphabet=13 –12 -11-10 –18 – 4 -19 the royal king offering equity
The giving of life by chaos and blood,
providing the way through the power to endure what was necessary,
and in turn giving mankind the hope of entering into understanding
by cutting away darkness with a sword.
7 letters – heavenly completeness
the royal king and priest of Salem i.e. greeting with happiness, shalom
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Hebrews 6:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Jerusalem=”founded by God”
“The fulfillment of what I promised through Jesus Christ”
Letters from the Hebrew alphabet=10 – 20 – 6 – 21 – 12 – 10 – 13
10 the hand of receiving
20 giving of a divine force
6 by what is nailed
21 influx of the Holy Spirit
12 perfect government
13 the mighty
shalom (21-12-13) =peace, as in friendly greeting
shalem “ =peaceful
Jeru=giving to us Jesus Christ
First: was shalom (happy welcome or greeting)/shalem (meaning peace)
The mighty influx of the Holy Spirit motivating a perfect government
Then: “Jeru” = giving to us what was promised by what is nailed- Jesus Christ
Finally: “Jerusalem” = the fulfillment of what was promised through Jesus Christ


Hebrews 12:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Psalm 122:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

Ephesians 2:14-17 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

1 Corinthians 9:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Post # 374

Better than no peace

2 Cor 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Eccl 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

You don’t have to listen to what you think I supposedly teach, cause you won’t believe it anyway.

It doesn't matter what you supposedly teach, what matters is that your writing ("I see it as a hunt") is not from God.

2 Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

I see it as a hunt. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

You have already predetermined that whatever I say is to be rejected, so why the snide remarks?

1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

You are welcom to stay the way you are. I'd try to communicate with you if I thought it would help.

I'm descended from 100 generations of Antiochian Syrian Christians--please do communicate what's so important about Judaism.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Even if this question you ask were legit, I would question your cause. But I don’t.

My cause is proclaiming the kingdom of God and the Blood of the Lamb--which part of that would you question?

Melchizedec
the royal king and priest of Salem i.e. greeting with happiness, shalom
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Hebrews 6:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Melchizedek was priest of the most high God, how is Melchizedek part of Judaism?

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

Time to put you also on my ignore list so I don't make the mistake in replying to you any longer. It wouldn't have gotten this far if I wouldn't have given you that courtesy.

 

[homwardbound]

Selihah, I believe the answer is in a previous post. If we believe Yeshua, then we will do as He teaches us and demonstrated to us by His Example. By His example we know to do our best to obey all the laws of good morals and behavior while showing mercy in place of the prescribed punishments. If we show mercy, we will obtain mercy. If we do not judge to condemnation, we will not be judged. His Example is plain and wonderful to understand if we hear Him.

I am starting to see their is a "works ethic" that leads to rest in Father through Son
And their is a "works ethic" that leads to being self-righteous as Saul was, but only by his own flesh efforts that he gave up

the battle to this very day is still the same, Flesh verses the Spirit (life) in God.
What is born of flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit. This new life in the Spirit was not provided to us to live in us and through us until the ascension of Christ and Ten days later when the Disciples were impregnated by God in the power of the Holy Ghost, and over 3,000 souls were saved through belief
So please seek from God the Father this new life born again in the Spirit of God, thanks to Son's finished work at the cross, life is in the resurrected Christ, after the death that cleansed us, so we from Father can receive new life in Father via the Holy Ghost
Thanks to all that are listening, God is a gift giver at no charge

 

[homwardbound]

Is anyone here saying all are not taught to resist the Devil and temptation?

And by this teaching, maybe that is why man does not and can not be perfect, and so maybe this is a good teaching. The problem is not seeing the resurrected Christ, just maybe, we are stuck on the death so strongly, and are trying so strongly to obey, and it is only from one's flesh that one is trying from, to no avail to succeed, and either feel guilty continuously or become self-righteous, not ever seeing that what they might be doing is working out their own salvation after belief, and are caught up in a straight betwixt, ready to walk away or fake as if they know in order to be accepted by others and God
Tell me what is the bottom line battle? Can any flesh other than Christ's ever please God?
When will we each that believe, come to the end of the energy of our own flesh that is in the way to truly behave? Not before men, before God?