For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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[h=3]Daniel 7:25[/h]King James Version (KJV)
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Looks like sabbath was change from 7th day to the 1st day by the antichrist
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Looks like sabbath was change from 7th day to the 1st day by the antichrist
This is all I have to add to this pointless session of accusation and self-defense. Learn this. God's ways are not our ways. Perhaps you will get a glimpse of truth if you understand this, providing your vision is good. To bless you would be to approve of your error, therefor I will pray for you, as I hope all do for me.........
I’m not trying to accuse you. I’m just pointing out error that many believe because of false teaching... that God sees them as being perfect. Show me in the scripture where God’s apostle says God sees Him as being perfect? This is vital: If people attempt to go before God thinking that God sees them as being perfect they won’t be even heard let alone seen.
God sees all who are in grace as perfect.............He did in David's time, and He still does. To say otherwise is a false teaching. He does not look at our sin. Do not change what is given to us free by our Father.
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[A Psalm] of David. Maschil. Happy is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is pardoned.
ב אַשְׁרֵי אָדָם--לֹא יַחְשֹׁב יְהוָה לוֹ עָו*ֹן; וְאֵין בְּרוּחוֹ רְמִיָּה. 2 Happy is the man unto whom the LORD counteth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
ג כִּי-הֶחֱרַשְׁתִּי, בָּלוּ עֲצָמָי-- בְּשַׁאֲגָתִי, כָּל-הַיּוֹם. 3 When I kept silence, my bones wore away through my groaning all the day long.
ד כִּי, יוֹמָם וָלַיְלָה-- תִּכְבַּד עָלַי, יָדֶךָ:
נֶהְפַּךְ לְשַׁדִּי-- בְּחַרְבֹנֵי קַיִץ סֶלָה. 4 For day and night Thy hand was heavy upon me; {N}
my sap was turned as in the droughts of summer. Selah
Although you have posted some information that seems to be spot on, your tunnel vision has proven to produce many accusations, of me and others, and I would truly appreciate your ceasing this practice. If you believe your views are perfect, find those who will follow you. Meanwhile I will do my best to share the Word as best given me to do.
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[A Psalm] of David. Maschil. Happy is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is pardoned.
ב אַשְׁרֵי אָדָם--לֹא יַחְשֹׁב יְהוָה לוֹ עָו*ֹן; וְאֵין בְּרוּחוֹ רְמִיָּה. 2 Happy is the man unto whom the LORD counteth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
ג כִּי-הֶחֱרַשְׁתִּי, בָּלוּ עֲצָמָי-- בְּשַׁאֲגָתִי, כָּל-הַיּוֹם. 3 When I kept silence, my bones wore away through my groaning all the day long.
ד כִּי, יוֹמָם וָלַיְלָה-- תִּכְבַּד עָלַי, יָדֶךָ:
נֶהְפַּךְ לְשַׁדִּי-- בְּחַרְבֹנֵי קַיִץ סֶלָה. 4 For day and night Thy hand was heavy upon me; {N}
my sap was turned as in the droughts of summer. Selah
Although you have posted some information that seems to be spot on, your tunnel vision has proven to produce many accusations, of me and others, and I would truly appreciate your ceasing this practice. If you believe your views are perfect, find those who will follow you. Meanwhile I will do my best to share the Word as best given me to do.
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This is not rocket science
The word of God says keep the seventh-day Sabbath because God created it for our weekly recreation sanctification.
The devil then invented a church tied to the pagan Roman empire that took over the world religiously and made it illegal to keep the Sabbath and killed Jews for keeping it fo 1800 years. Revelation says they will start a world war and then kill the Jews yet again. This has been done 22 times already, and failed 22 times. God will not allow it, so stop it already.
Sunday keeping is breaking commandment #4 and is sin
the transgression of the law
it is very simple
stop sinning and God will bless you and sanctify you with his holy spirit and you will be able to study your Bible
2 Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from keeping sunday; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
The word of God says keep the seventh-day Sabbath because God created it for our weekly recreation sanctification.
The devil then invented a church tied to the pagan Roman empire that took over the world religiously and made it illegal to keep the Sabbath and killed Jews for keeping it fo 1800 years. Revelation says they will start a world war and then kill the Jews yet again. This has been done 22 times already, and failed 22 times. God will not allow it, so stop it already.
Sunday keeping is breaking commandment #4 and is sin
the transgression of the law
it is very simple
stop sinning and God will bless you and sanctify you with his holy spirit and you will be able to study your Bible
2 Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from keeping sunday; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
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When are we learn that God used a lot of picture language to show us His truth? Do many of us actually get what God was trying to show us with the Sabbath? It's not about the day itself. It was a PICTURE of something greater. Jesus Himself gives us the meaning of many of the pictures. The manna (Bread) from heaven,Jesus the Bread of life. The manna that did not decay on the Sabbath,Jesus the bread of life whose body while in the tomb saw no decay. The Sabbath rest is a resting from OUR OWN SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS and our own work's righteousness. It is a rest in the Father's promise of a Messiah who would set us free.
Let's see.
Ok.
-> Branch Davidians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Branch Davidians (also known as "The Branch") are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism in the Davidian Seventh-day Adventists ("Davidians"), ..."
-> Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days. Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children, including David Koresh, died."
It's not rocket science: children burned alive just doesn't qualify as "cursed children" among Sabbath keepers.
YOU being burned alive, well hey, they promised that "God will bless you and sanctify you"--it's not rocket science!!!
Ok.
-> Branch Davidians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Branch Davidians (also known as "The Branch") are a religious group that originated in 1955 from a schism in the Davidian Seventh-day Adventists ("Davidians"), ..."
-> Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days. Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children, including David Koresh, died."
It's not rocket science: children burned alive just doesn't qualify as "cursed children" among Sabbath keepers.
YOU being burned alive, well hey, they promised that "God will bless you and sanctify you"--it's not rocket science!!!
UMMM You do know you are lying when you say God did not or does not give them power to overcome these things. I have know many who have come out of homosexuality,drug abuse,alcohol abuse,smoking,lying cheating etc. I know in my own life He has helped me to overcome many of these things,hence it is a lie when you state that.
You actually got some of this correct, but did not go far enough. The Sabbath is the picture of the Millenial reign of Christ when His Kingdom will occupy the earth and ALL will come to know Him...
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
The Sabbath is the shadow of that coming rest...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Things yet to come.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
The Sabbath is the shadow of that coming rest...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Things yet to come.
VICARIUS FILII DEI
666, The Number of the Beast
666, The Number of the Beast
[HR][/HR]Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Note that according to verse 17, there are three different characteristics that distinguish the beast:Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
- his mark (of authority)
- his name
- the number of his name (666).
The Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi)
"Vicar of Christ . . . Title used almost exclusively of the Bishop of Rome as successor of Peter and, therefore, the one in the Church who particularly takes the place of Christ; but used also of bishops in general and even of priests.
First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of
Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."
Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.
First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of
Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."
Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.
That is not what it speaks to...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
What this passage actually speaks to is who should judge...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The main structure of the sentence (the skeleton) is this "Let no man therefore judge you but the body is of Christ."
Notice that "is" is in italics? You know what that means, so we should read the sentence thusly...
"Let no man therefore judge you but the body of Christ."
The other information there is what no one but the body of Christ should judge you on.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
What this passage actually speaks to is who should judge...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The main structure of the sentence (the skeleton) is this "Let no man therefore judge you but the body is of Christ."
Notice that "is" is in italics? You know what that means, so we should read the sentence thusly...
"Let no man therefore judge you but the body of Christ."
The other information there is what no one but the body of Christ should judge you on.
WomanLovesTX
having just gone through this particular teaching, my question would be - do you see any problems in it at all?
because there is a sleight-of-hand taking place in there that should be glaring.
knowing the foundation of the teachings (see below) is important, since the presupposition is the readers may come to "feel" that they are actually, literal Lost Israel (10 tribes): therefore, the Covenant made at Sinai was made with the reader.
peppered lightly now and then is the assertion that no one is saved by works of the Law...followed quickly by the assertion that they are, since living by the Mosaic Covenant, is evidence that one has entered the new Covenant having had the Mosaic Law written on their hearts.
more on this later.
zone
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a note on Passion For Truth Ministries:
10 Lost Tribes, Israel & Christians as explained by Jim Staley
Identity Crisis -This message will change your world!
Regathering of the Lost 10 Tribes - Regathering the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel < click
"By the way, this understanding of the lost tribes is not to be confused with British Israelism which makes sweeping generalisations by saying Great Britain is Ephraim and America is Manasseh etc. Although there may be descendants of the lost House of Israel in these countries, not every person in those countries is from the lost tribes by any means. Rather the lost tribes of Israel are amongst them and have a large influence over a nation if there is many of them there. But most certainly, whether in small or larger numbers they are amongst them for sure, because the bible tells us so. And there are definitely many from the lost tribes in the Christian mid west of America especially where there is especially strong support for the Jewish people in the state of Israel.
So we should not be surprised if many from Texas and bible belt states who are Christians or Messianics are actually from the lost tribes. Many British Israelism sects state that all northern European countries are Israelite which is untrue. The Israelite tribes may have passed through these areas but they were merely amongst theses peoples and nations. After the Protestant Reformation most of the lost tribes of Israel left for America and the New World seeking religious freedom and a better life. And there will be lost tribes descendants scattered in some non English speaking countries to a lesser degree. God knows who are His and according to prophecy the Good Shepherd will whistle for his flock."
Regathering of the Lost 10 Tribes - Regathering the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel < click
(note to RuthHannah - i reject this Two-House/10 Lost Tribes/British-Israelism teaching...this is simply background on WomanLovesTX's sources and beliefs).
having just gone through this particular teaching, my question would be - do you see any problems in it at all?
because there is a sleight-of-hand taking place in there that should be glaring.
knowing the foundation of the teachings (see below) is important, since the presupposition is the readers may come to "feel" that they are actually, literal Lost Israel (10 tribes): therefore, the Covenant made at Sinai was made with the reader.
peppered lightly now and then is the assertion that no one is saved by works of the Law...followed quickly by the assertion that they are, since living by the Mosaic Covenant, is evidence that one has entered the new Covenant having had the Mosaic Law written on their hearts.
zone
...
a note on Passion For Truth Ministries:
10 Lost Tribes, Israel & Christians as explained by Jim Staley
Identity Crisis -This message will change your world!
Regathering of the Lost 10 Tribes - Regathering the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel < click
"By the way, this understanding of the lost tribes is not to be confused with British Israelism which makes sweeping generalisations by saying Great Britain is Ephraim and America is Manasseh etc. Although there may be descendants of the lost House of Israel in these countries, not every person in those countries is from the lost tribes by any means. Rather the lost tribes of Israel are amongst them and have a large influence over a nation if there is many of them there. But most certainly, whether in small or larger numbers they are amongst them for sure, because the bible tells us so. And there are definitely many from the lost tribes in the Christian mid west of America especially where there is especially strong support for the Jewish people in the state of Israel.
So we should not be surprised if many from Texas and bible belt states who are Christians or Messianics are actually from the lost tribes. Many British Israelism sects state that all northern European countries are Israelite which is untrue. The Israelite tribes may have passed through these areas but they were merely amongst theses peoples and nations. After the Protestant Reformation most of the lost tribes of Israel left for America and the New World seeking religious freedom and a better life. And there will be lost tribes descendants scattered in some non English speaking countries to a lesser degree. God knows who are His and according to prophecy the Good Shepherd will whistle for his flock."
Regathering of the Lost 10 Tribes - Regathering the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel < click
(note to RuthHannah - i reject this Two-House/10 Lost Tribes/British-Israelism teaching...this is simply background on WomanLovesTX's sources and beliefs).
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