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I'm not sure why they do not accept the whole Bible. The old Testament is priceless. Just like Jesus. To misuse it in the fashion that many are is unChrist like. How many times did they(those from the New Testament) even quote from the Old Testament. They thought it of great value and so do true Christians. I like what Richard Rives (a friend of my Preacher says)

Many people, known as “Jews”, thought that they could keep God’s laws in “the flesh” and obtain eternal life. Many people, known as “Christians”, think that they can break God’s laws in “the Spirit” and obtain eternal life. Scripture proves that both lines of thought are in error. Both groups of people have “trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant... an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace.” ....Hebrews 10:29
Thank you, well said. :)
 

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you dont understand what I am asking

I am saying the links you put personally for your own points do you agree with a 100% of there teaching ?

Have you not read why he does not put the link alone ?

And the vedio above has the link so I dont think I have a problem with what Isdaniel does sometimes

I rather raed excerts from a link than go to the link and read all that stuff I think it is wise what he does

i am not defending everything he says but fair is fiar and evryone has their techique

please tell me if all your soucers have all the truth it seems that you have alot of sources from different chuches

fair is fair Zonie that is all iam saying
no, i don't really know what you're asking for.
i'll attempt in the future to make a note if a link is one i agree with or disagree with, okay?
i thought it was clear, but i'll make a note.
 
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What is the definition of fulfill?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

So many say Christ abolished the law, then the verse would read, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to abolish. There is no way to spin this and it make sense, yet they still spin it. No wonder so many are confused. Best way is to study the Word. Scripture proves Scripture.
Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but to render it powerless by virtue of a more excellent way, i.e., the spirit. By fulfilling the law he rendered it powerless.

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
15 Having abolished (G2673) in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;​
abolish
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέωc: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15; ἵνα τὰ ὄντα καταργήσῃ ‘in order to abolish those things that are’ 1 Cor 1:28. In rendering this expression in 1 Cor 1:28 it may be quite necessary to stipulate the reference to τὰ ὄντα, and in this context the contrast between τὰ ὄντα and τὰ μὴ ὄντα may perhaps be best expressed as ‘those things that are not regarded as important in order to abolish those that are regarded as important.’ The rendering of these expressions depends, of course, upon the manner in which the preceding context from verse 26 is rendered.


Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy (G2647) the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

destroy
G2647 καταλύω kataluo
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
20.54 καταλύωa; καθαιρέωc; καθαίρεσιςa, εως f: to destroy completely by tearing down and dismantling—‘to destroy, to tear down, destruction.’
καταλύωa: οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται λίθος ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται ‘there will not be one stone left on another which will not be torn down’ Lk 21:6.
καθαιρέωc: καθελῶ μου τὰς ἀποθήκας καὶ μείζονας οἰκοδομήσω ‘I will tear my barns down and build bigger ones’ Lk 12:18. It may be important in rendering Lk 12:18 to indicate clearly that there is purpose in tearing down the barns, and that presumably materials resulting from the dismantling of the barns would be used in building bigger ones.
καθαίρεσιςa: ἀλλὰ δυνατὰ τῷ θεῷ πρὸς καθαίρεσιν ὀχυρωμάτων ‘but God’s powerful weapons, with which to tear down strongholds’ 2 Cor 10:4.
 
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Okay, I've screwed up two things:

1) James is not talking about the ceremonial law, but is talking about the Ten Commandments.

2) There are two different curses regarding the law.

One is to eternal damnation for imperfect obedience to the Ten Commandments (Gal 3:10).

The other is the earthly curses of the covenant (Dt 29) for disobedience to the law.

I apologize for the screw up. . .just call it brain fatigue.


Agreed. . .I have not said otherwise.

this what i am saying you seem to be contradiction yourself alt in your post one minute is this next is that
 
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“Way of Life” lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874.

"Ellen White was a woman of remarkable spiritual gifts who lived most of her life during the nineteenth century (1827-1915), yet through her writings she is still making a revolutionary impact on millions of people around the world. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender. Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages."

- World's Last Chance


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The late Ellen G. White (November 26, 1827-July 16, 1915), known to Seventh-day Adventists as "God's Messenger" or "God's Prophet," used Masonic /occult terminology and taught esoteric doctrines through the pages of her voluminous published works. For the sake of brevity I did not cite all the passages in which Mrs. Ellen G. White used the masonic term, "all-seeing eye." (She repeated the same passages in various publications.) Below are selected citations from Mrs. White's complete published works found at Ellen G. White

Masonic Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings - Part I
"The All-Seeing Eye"


i am not Sda and everyone knows Ellen G white is a false teacher as you are
 

john832

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Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but to render it powerless by virtue of a more excellent way, i.e., the spirit. By fulfilling the law he rendered it powerless.
Please explain to me how in the world fulfilling (filling full) something renders it powerless?

The word inpired there is...

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Thayer has it as...

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
2b) to consummate: a number2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilmentPart of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4134
Citing in TDNT: 6:286, 867

Please explain how this renders something powerless.
 

zone

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Iam not Adventist but the vedio is helpful and is tell what the mark of the beast is
the video is not helpful; it does not tell what the mark of the beast is, and you continue to post from adventist sources.
that's fine, but own it.
 

zone

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i am not Sda and everyone knows Ellen G white is a false teacher as you are
:)

then document from any other source that "sunday worship is the mark of the beast" - preferably the bible (you can't).
 
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Please explain to me how in the world fulfilling (filling full) something renders it powerless?
Because he satisfied everything demanded by the law. It now no longer has any demands to make of him, or of those who are dead to the law through him. The law has no authority over dead people; therefore it is powerless over them.
 
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ZONE, I asked you awhile back if you or anyone you knew had ever been offered or tempted to take on the mark of the beast on your forehead or hand or were lead to worship the beast in any way and I received no response. I ask again. If you believe that the system of the beast and the false prophet is functioning in this age presently, as part of the mystery of iniquity that already is at work, then you must know and discern through the Spirit, who indwells all believers, that this mark is present and you must take on the position to warn all not to take on this mark or to worship the beast. It should not be a mystery to you or are you waiting for Satan to be loosed after the 1,000 year reign for these things to be made manifest so that Satan can empower the beast and give him great authority? The problem with that is that Satan is bound for 1,000 years after the beast and the false prophet were cast ALIVE into the lake of fire and the remnant of those that worshiped the beast were slain by the sword of the one sitting upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth.(Rev 19:20,21, Rev 20:3). This seems to be in contrast to what takes place when Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years and fire comes down out of heaven heaven and devours those who were gathered against the beloved city (?) (Rev 20:7-9). Then is verse 10 the Devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet already are.

The above is also for those who believe we are in a time of great tribulation and that the beast and prophet are presently active in this world. Can you direct your answer toward Zone and give her the assurance she needs that the mark of the beast is being offered to the believer and unbeliever alike and that their is a living prophet and a worship of the beast taking place and describe what that worship is. I personally have not been approached with this mark by no one and no group from here or abroad and no know of no such person or group that have taken on this mark. Zone believes, from what I understand, that we are presently living in the kingdom of God reigning with Christ for that 1,000 yeas and that the church is going to be subjected to this system which is presently active while Satan has been bound. I do not know how she explains what will happen when Satan is loosed for a season nor how she explains the difference between Rev 19:19-21 (prior to Satan being bound) and Rev 20:7-10 (after Satan is loosed from being bound). These seem to be (2) different events that take place where people in the first event are slain by the sword and 1,000 years later people are devoured by fire.
 

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i'm not interested in your quagmire today, Red.
 
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Elin said:
Okay, I've screwed up two things:

1)
James is not talking about the ceremonial law, but is talking about the Ten Commandments.

2) There are two different curses regarding the law.

One is to eternal damnation for imperfect obedience to the Ten Commandments (Gal 3:10).

The other is the earthly curses of the covenant (Dt 29) for disobedience to the law.

I apologize for the screw up. . .just call it brain fatigue.
this what i am saying you seem to be contradiction yourself
alt in your post one minute is this next is that
You are repeating yourself. . .I acknowledge the contradictions in mine above.

And mine above clears up and removes any contradictions.

There are now no contradictions.
 
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ZONE, I asked you awhile back if you or anyone you knew had ever been offered or tempted to take on the mark of the beast on your forehead or hand or were lead to worship the beast in any way and I received no response. I ask again. If you believe that the system of the beast and the false prophet is functioning in this age presently, as part of the mystery of iniquity that already is at work, then you must know and discern through the Spirit, who indwells all believers, that this mark is present and you must take on the position to warn all not to take on this mark or to worship the beast. It should not be a mystery to you or are you waiting for Satan to be loosed after the 1,000 year reign for these things to be made manifest so that Satan can empower the beast and give him great authority? The problem with that is that Satan is bound for 1,000 years after the beast and the false prophet were cast ALIVE into the lake of fire and the remnant of those that worshiped the beast were slain by the sword of the one sitting upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth.(Rev 19:20,21, Rev 20:3). This seems to be in contrast to what takes place when Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years and fire comes down out of heaven heaven and devours those who were gathered against the beloved city (?) (Rev 20:7-9). Then is verse 10 the Devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet already are.

The above is also for those who believe we are in a time of great tribulation and that the beast and prophet are presently active in this world. Can you direct your answer toward Zone and give her the assurance she needs that the mark of the beast is being offered to the believer and unbeliever alike and that their is a living prophet and a worship of the beast taking place and describe what that worship is. I personally have not been approached with this mark by no one and no group from here or abroad and no know of no such person or group that have taken on this mark. Zone believes, from what I understand, that we are presently living in the kingdom of God reigning with Christ for that 1,000 yeas and that the church is going to be subjected to this system which is presently active while Satan has been bound. I do not know how she explains what will happen when Satan is loosed for a season nor how she explains the difference between Rev 19:19-21 (prior to Satan being bound) and Rev 20:7-10 (after Satan is loosed from being bound). These seem to be (2) different events that take place where people in the first event are slain by the sword and 1,000 years later people are devoured by fire.

The persons who died and are lost way before oour time did they die or worship the beast ?
 

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Because he satisfied everything demanded by the law. It now no longer has any demands to make of him, or of those who are dead to the law through him. The law has no authority over dead people; therefore it is powerless over them.
Oh, so fulfilling a job responsibility means that we no longer have to do that job? Why don't you tell my employer that. Why, I'll bet that even on Vanuatu employers consider fulfilling a job responsibility an ongoing duty, not once and over with.
 
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the video is not helpful; it does not tell what the mark of the beast is, and you continue to post from adventist sources.
that's fine, but own it.
What is the mark of the beast Zonie you seem to know alot ?

How is the 666 caculated ?

Who is the beast ?

Who is the woman riding the beast ?

Thankies i look forward to hear from you what the bible says no other sources

thank you
 
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i'm not interested in your quagmire today, Red.
The questions are very objective and require only objective answers, buy so many of you do not want to be objective with your answers so you turn them in quagmires of your own liking. You refuse to see the difference between the sword and the fire and the time frame which they are executed. The objectivity of these scriptures leads to only an objective judgment of an interval of approximately 1,000 years between the sword and the fire. That has no fit with your doctrine that also includes the resurrections, and we can hit that another time, sooner or later. The group that gathered the first time to make war was against the one who sat on the white horse and his armies (Rev 19:11,19), who was followed by armies on white horses clothed in fine linen, white and clean, as the righteousness of the saints (Rev 19:8,14), were slain by the sword. The second group who were gathered to battle against the beloved city (Rev 20:8,9) were devoured by fire coming down out of heaven. These are two different events and 1,000 years apart and Satan was present for both. The first one lead him to be bound for 1,000 years and the second lead him to be cast in the lake of fire where the beast and the prophet are and have been for that 1,000 year period. No quagmire here, just objectivity.

BradC
 
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Isdaniel said:
Elin said:
Okay, I've screwed up two things:

1)
James is not talking about the ceremonial law, but is talking about the Ten Commandments.

2) There are two different curses regarding the law.

One is to eternal damnation for imperfect obedience to the Ten Commandments (Gal 3:10).

The other is the earthly curses of the covenant (Dt 29) for disobedience to the law.

I apologize for the screw up. . .just call it brain fatigue.
this what i am saying you seem to be contradiction yourself
alt in your post one minute is this next is that
You are repeating yourself. . .I acknowledge the contradictions in mine above.

And mine above clears up and removes any contradictions.

There are now no contradictions.
If anyone even cares, the problems occurred in the three following posts.
"The law" sometimes means the Ten Commandments,
sometimes, the ceremonial law, and
sometimes, both.

So to clear up the following posts:

Post #136 (here) - "the law" probably does not include the Ten Commandments.

Post #144 (here) - "the law" in James is not referring to the Ten Commandments, only to the ceremonial law.

Post #149 (here) - curse for disobedience of the Ten Commandments was eternal death (Gal 3:10),

while curses of the Mosaic Covenent were earthly judgments.

Again, I apologize for the confusion.
 

zone

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What is the mark of the beast Zonie you seem to know alot ?

How is the 666 caculated ?

Who is the beast ?

Who is the woman riding the beast ?

Thankies i look forward to hear from you what the bible says no other sources

thank you
the Woman riding the beast was 1st century Jerusalem.
she was the Great Harlot.
the beast was Imperial Rome (Caesars)

read it yourself.

or play pin the number on the future pope all day long.