For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes…. I believe most Christians…tens of millions believe that… You’re certainly not alone. It’s a very dominant Christian belief. When God sees Christians He sees His perfect Son therefore He sees millions of them as being perfect. Even though when His first-born Son walked the earth He said, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’"

I wonder at what point of dilapidation within that perfect veneer of Christ will God start to see the Christian as a little imperfect.

I'm not sure where you're coming from. As I see it we have two natures: a perfect spirit and a corrupted body. We are seated in the heavens in Christ, perfect wherein GOD sees no blemish. He does, however, see our blemishes on earth, and demands that we continue in the way of righteousness in order that these be cleansed and healed.

 

[morninglory]

Jesus Christ is perfect.

We are all members of His Body.

When the Father sees us, He sees His Son.

His Son is perfect.

Is this understandable?

Jamuel, You are right, Jesus was, is and always will be Perfect, but the problem with not familiarizing yourself with the WHOLE word of God, is that you don't get the whole picture. Paul said in Eph.1.10 "that in the DISPENSATION OF THE FULLNESS OF TIMES he might gather together all things in Christ--", and verse 22 '--and gave him to be THE HEAD over all things to the Church", which Col.1.18 wt 1 Cor.12.14-20 affirms we are the body of Christ, but just as surely as Isa.53 prophesies Christ, doesn't Isa.1.6-7 describe the condition of that body and the world today? Why did Jesus say in Matt.7 "Enter ye in at the straight gate for --narrow is the way which leadeth to life, and FEW there be that find it"? What could be the reason he tells those who did miracles and many wonderful works in his name, that he never knew them? Oh oh oh, the winds of doctrine blow(Eph.4.14, 2 Cor.11.4-14-15) they blow in lies, while the floods out of the serpents mouth(Rev.12.15-17) dilute the water of life(Jn.4.14, 7.38, 15.3, 17.17 wt Eph.5.26).

In familiarizing myself with the whole word of God, I found that God gave us Sabbaths to identify that he IS our God(Ex.31.13-17), and that is what actually drew me into wanting to keep the seventh day Sabbath as well as all the feasts, AND to give up up using the pagan names in the common calendar that violates Ex.23.13 all day every day. Grant it, it is a VERY narrow path, and it does not over-ride Rom.10.13 "for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved", but it should be noted that where Acts 4.12 makes it clear that "there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved", that Ps.138.2 says "--for thou hast magnified thy WORD above ALL thy name". ...Probably where John 1.1-3-14 wt Jn.17.8 comes in. Also Ps.104.30 with John 6.63 & 2 Cor.5.19-15. Matt.4.4"man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that procedeth out of the mouth of the Lord", James 1.21 "--receive with meeknes the ENGRAFTED word that is able to save your souls".

God's grace to you

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[Isdaniel]

the pope is stuck in the middle of of the book of Daniel?
the mystery pope gap theory.

up to now you canot say what the verss means

What is the mark of the beast ?

Hmmm go look at your sources hmm thou accusser thou does the same hmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

the pope is stuck in the middle of of the book of Daniel?
the mystery pope gap theory.

hmm isthe Antichrist in the book of daniel and thesolonians and revlation hmmmmmm

 

[morninglory]

That's part of His suffering, yes, that's why it's in the New Testament.



2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?




James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Praus, I clicked "like", but that is not sufficient! It thrills my heart to see Jer.23.35-37 being fulfilled. It is my express belief that is how John 12.48 is/will be fulfilled "--the word that I have spoken, the SAME shall judge you in the last day", and where "we will judge angels", it is worth pondering that John 12.31 says "now is the judgment of this world, now shall the prince of this world be cast out"(also Jn.17.10-11, Ps.149.5-9).

I am anxious for feed back from you.

God bless

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In familiarizing myself with the whole word of God, I found that God gave us Sabbaths to identify that he IS our God(Ex.31.13-17), ...

What an archaic notion. The Israelites had the sabbath, but didn't have the holy spirit. They needed the sabbath to dwell on GOD's goodness. Now we have the spirit and know GOD personally every moment of every day. Clinging to the sabbath is like clinging to bicycle training wheels after one learns how to ride a bicycle.

 

[Isdaniel]

What an archaic notion. The Israelites had the sabbath, but didn't have the holy spirit. They needed the sabbath to dwell on GOD's goodness. Now we have the spirit and know GOD personally every moment of every day. Clinging to the sabbath is like clinging to bicycle training wheels after one learns how to ride a bicycle.

The sabbath was given to Israel okay we going with this

Who is Israel ?

hmmm God talks about spiritual Israel thus they are to keep His laws also
hmmmm Is circumcision still for us Israel today yes hmmm romans 2:27-29
wow Are you still a Jew hmmm

 

[morninglory]

hmm isthe Antichrist in the book of daniel and thesolonians and revlation hmmmmmm

Friend Daniel, you are right, but notice Dan.7.25 says "he THINKS to change times and laws, and it shall be GIVEN unto his hand, but only UNTIL the dividing of time. If it is God's doing, then could that be how he seperates the sheep from the goats?(Matt.25.32-33, Ez.34.11-12-17-20-23 wt Jn.10.27). Dan.8.5-8-21 Greece IS the goat, and Paul was in Athens Greece when he preached againt their superstitions(Acts.17.22-23-30); Zech.9.13 Judah verses Greece when the sons of Zion are raised against the sons of Greece, Heb.7.14 those in Christ are Judah by adoption, and Zech.2.7 tells Zion to "Deliver thyself, thou that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon". If we keep reiterating God's word, with love, it will calm the storm caused by the winds of doctrin, and abate the floods out of the serpents mouth.

God's continued blessing to you

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[JaumeJ]

Hello my sister in Yeshua. In my earlier post I address a specific facet of what was previously addressed. As per familiarizing myself with all of the Word, when I first was given faith and salvation in Yeshua, I began reading the Word starting with Yeshiyahu (Isaiahl) I camped out reading the Bible in the Rockies three summers and part of a winter, after which I traveled to Israel to confirm certain aspects of which I was not certain. I observe the Seventh Day because it is the order of creation and rest given by our Father. My preparation, which is not a whole lot of work, was today, and tomorrow is that special day for me. I believe we really should always obey the Will of the Father, and the lion's portion of His will is contained in the Ten Commandments and the laws of Love. Thank you for your sharing the word, and although I first began my studies of teh Word in 1969, it is always new to me, each time I begin again, and this is how it will be in the Kingdom, joy, gladness, and always new, amen...............

Jamuel, You are right, Jesus was, is and always will be Perfect, but the problem with not familiarizing yourself with the WHOLE word of God, is that you don't get the whole picture. Paul said in Eph.1.10 "that in the DISPENSATION OF THE FULLNESS OF TIMES he might gather together all things in Christ--", and verse 22 '--and gave him to be THE HEAD over all things to the Church", which Col.1.18 wt 1 Cor.12.14-20 affirms we are the body of Christ, but just as surely as Isa.53 prophesies Christ, doesn't Isa.1.6-7 describe the condition of that body and the world today? Why did Jesus say in Matt.7 "Enter ye in at the straight gate for --narrow is the way which leadeth to life, and FEW there be that find it"? What could be the reason he tells those who did miracles and many wonderful works in his name, that he never knew them? Oh oh oh, the winds of doctrine blow(Eph.4.14, 2 Cor.11.4-14-15) they blow in lies, while the floods out of the serpents mouth(Rev.12.15-17) dilute the water of life(Jn.4.14, 7.38, 15.3, 17.17 wt Eph.5.26).

In familiarizing myself with the whole word of God, I found that God gave us Sabbaths to identify that he IS our God(Ex.31.13-17), and that is what actually drew me into wanting to keep the seventh day Sabbath as well as all the feasts, AND to give up up using the pagan names in the common calendar that violates Ex.23.13 all day every day. Grant it, it is a VERY narrow path, and it does not over-ride Rom.10.13 "for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved", but it should be noted that where Acts 4.12 makes it clear that "there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved", that Ps.138.2 says "--for thou hast magnified thy WORD above ALL thy name". ...Probably where John 1.1-3-14 wt Jn.17.8 comes in. Also Ps.104.30 with John 6.63 & 2 Cor.5.19-15. Matt.4.4"man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that procedeth out of the mouth of the Lord", James 1.21 "--receive with meeknes the ENGRAFTED word that is able to save your souls".

God's grace to you

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[zone]

Friend Daniel, you are right, but notice Dan.7.25 says "he THINKS to change times and laws, and it shall be GIVEN unto his hand, but only UNTIL the dividing of time. If it is God's doing, then could that be how he seperates the sheep from the goats?(Matt.25.32-33, Ez.34.11-12-17-20-23 wt Jn.10.27). Dan.8.5-8-21 Greece IS the goat, and Paul was in Athens Greece when he preached againt their superstitions(Acts.17.22-23-30); Zech.9.13 Judah verses Greece when the sons of Zion are raised against the sons of Greece, Heb.7.14 those in Christ are Judah by adoption, and Zech.2.7 tells Zion to "Deliver thyself, thou that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon". If we keep reiterating God's word, with love, it will calm the storm caused by the winds of doctrin, and abate the floods out of the serpents mouth.

God's continued blessing to you

Hashem Tzidkeinu

well that's an interesting interpretation
so, if i understand you correctly, the Greek (New Testament) is Christianity, yes?
and in order to know The Lord (become Judah/Zion), you need to come out of Babylon (which would be the Church)...and the sheep and goats are greeks vs the new gentile-jews?

ya...that sounds like Hebrew Roots talk.

Daniel 2
20Daniel said, "Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, For wisdom and power belong to Him. 21"It is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding. 22"It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things; He knows what is in the darkness, And the light dwells with Him


oh...the beast in Dan.7.25 sets himself up as God...WHO "changes the times and the epochs".

but no, we decided God lost control and the "greeks" (romans?) wrestled control of the True faith and....Constantine or the Pope changed times and laws and stuff....but we NEVER prove that by using Daniel 7:25 in context.

we need the GAPS

k. ya...well, i'll be holding fast to the faith delivered once for all,, and not pretending i'm a first century Israelite.

 

[zone]

hmm isthe Antichrist in the book of daniel and thesolonians and revlation hmmmmmm

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time.

choose any translation, any meaning....and make this occur anytime after 70AD.
from scripture

i'll wait here.

 

[zone]

hmm isthe Antichrist in the book of daniel and thesolonians and revlation hmmmmmm

if this is true, would it be disappointing to you, Isdaniel?

...

{18} And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her {c} place, where she is nourished for a {19} time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

(18) That is, being strengthened with divine power: and taught by oracle, she fled swiftly from the assault of the devil, and from the common destruction of Jerusalem and went into a solitary city beyond Jordan called Pella as Eusebius tells in the first chapter of the third book of his ecclesiastical history: where God had commanded her by revelation.

(c) Into the place God had prepared for her.

(19) That is, for three and a half years: so the same speech is taken in see Geneva (q) Da 7:25. This space of time is reckoned in manner from that last and most grievous rebellion of the Jews, to the destruction of the city and temple,for their defection or falling away, began in the twelfth year of Nero, before the beginning of which many signs and predictions were shown from heaven, as Josephus wrote, lib.7, chap.12, and Hegesippus lib.5, chap.44, among which this is very memorable. In the feast of Pentecost not only a great sound and noise was heard in the Temple, but also a voice was heard by many out of the Sanctuary which cried out to all, Let us depart from here. Now three and a half years after this defection by the Jews began, and those wonders happened, the city was taken by force, the temple overthrown, and the place forsaken by God: and the length of time John noted in this place. - Geneva

 

[chubbena]

The Israelites had the sabbath, but didn't have the holy spirit.

One has to define what "have the holy spirit" is.
I don't think anyone can "have" the spirit.
Isaiah 63:10-11 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. Then his people recalled[SUP] [/SUP]he days of old, the days of Moses and his people. where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them.
Was not the holy spirit given to the Israelites too?

 

[zone]

up to now you canot say what the verss means

What is the mark of the beast ?

Hmmm go look at your sources hmm thou accusser thou does the same hmmmm

show from scripture it's resting/worshiping/assembling/staying home/going to church on the first day of the week.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

One has to define what "have the holy spirit" is.
I don't think anyone can "have" the spirit.
Isaiah 63:10-11 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. Then his people recalled[SUP] [/SUP]he days of old, the days of Moses and his people. where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them.
Was not the holy spirit given to the Israelites too?

Obviously not in the way it has been given to us under the new covenant.

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Joel 2:28

But this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘And it will be in the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. And even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Acts 2:16-18​

 

[Rockbysea]

Jesus, Yeshua, walked the earth a perfect man. He was in the flesh, a man, but He walked in the state of perfection.

In some versions of the Word reference is made to His being perfected. This is in reference to His Body being glorified.

When He was here He obeyed the commandments, even observing the Sabbath of the Lord.

In obedience He was baptized by John in order to fulfill all righteousness, when a voice was heard from Heaven saying that He was the Beloved Son in Whom the Father was well pleased.

He was born perfect, He lived perfect (otherwise no one would be saved), and He was resurrected perfect.

As for the glorification of His Body, this too will pass for all who join Him in His Kingdom.

The Lord and neither any of His brethren the apostles… no not one of them throughout the entire scripture ever said, “My Father sees Me as perfect”. But yet millions of Christians have that identical statement in various forms plastered all over the Internet including those of the Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath cult. Millions believe God sees them as being “perfect.” This is an amazing accomplishment.

 

[chubbena]

Obviously not in the way it has been given to us under the new covenant.

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Joel 2:28

But this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘And it will be in the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. And even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Acts 2:16-18​

He poured out His Spirit on His chosen nation in the old days.
He pour out His Spirit on all flesh now.
Most ducked nevertheless for fear that they might have to turn and be healed.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

He poured out His Spirit on His chosen nation in the old days.
He pour out His Spirit on all flesh now.
Most ducked nevertheless for fear that they might have to turn and be healed.

There is only one place in scripture where it is said that GOD poured out his spirit on the nation of Israel: at Pentecost, which was prophesied by the prophet Amos. At Mt Sinai Israel was given the law, not the spirit.

 

[Praus]

well that's an interesting interpretation
so, if i understand you correctly, the Greek (New Testament) is Christianity, yes?
and in order to know The Lord (become Judah/Zion), you need to come out of Babylon (which would be the Church)...and the sheep and goats are greeks vs the new gentile-jews?

ya...that sounds like Hebrew Roots talk.

Hmmm, yeah, I think I see now. Daniel 2:4b–7:28 is written in Aramaic, a Syriac language, not Hebrew, so anyone promoting Hebrew primacy isn't going to understand it.

k. ya...well, i'll be holding fast to the faith delivered once for all,, and not pretending i'm a first century Israelite.

The wannabe Jews, yes, sigh....

I'm a Christian--my 1st century ancestors never pretended to be Israelites, even though they were under YHVH since Jonah 4.

Matt 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

 

[chubbena]

There is only one place in scripture where it is said that GOD poured out his spirit on the nation of Israel: at Pentecost, which was prophesied by the prophet Amos. At Mt Sinai Israel was given the law, not the spirit.

Isaiah 63:10-11 again. And also the reason I asked specifically what "have the holy spirit" is. The holy spirit is not new. He is from the beginning. He's been working since. It wouldn't be fair if they didn't have - especially when He chose them because He loved them, especially when they "were" to obey His law.
Without the holy spirit the psalmist would not be able to come up with Psalm 92 for the Sabbath day, a physical one.