Can deity die?

[cjordan38]

You must remember you can die a natural and spiritual death. God didnhave Jesus spirit because Jesus was God. Godnis in heaven but you must remember Jesus wasnt done with his fathers business, which is work, and you cant go to heaven until your earthly work for the father is done. Jesus went to heaven after the 40 days letting the people know where he had been and what was done and to wait for the Comforter to come

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi eternally-grateful. . .

If he said - Verily (truly) I say unto thee, today you shall be with me in paradise. He would have lied - Jesus was in the grave for 3 days - seen by the apostles for 40 days - So Jesus did not go to paradise "today".

His body was in the grave. that does not mean his spirit did not go elsewhere

Now - saying - Verily (truly) I say unto thee today,

you shall be with me in paradise. He would be telling the truth because he is promising the thief a place in paradise - when? Not today but at the resurrection.

Again. I disagree. Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the Lord. We do not wait until we are ressurected to go to paradise. We go to parades to await our ressurection. When our bodies are renewed and we are united with these new bodies.

"condemned a sinner right beside us"? I won't be condemned as a sinner - I have been judged righteous, I have the righteousness of God, I have been justified and sanctified. . . . .I will stand before the bema of Christ and account for the good I have done and the bad I have done - either for rewards or lose of rewards.

agree completely here

 

[cjordan38]

Dont misinterperate. Everyone has the chance for eternal life. Jesus claimed the past souls but the promise they must await is the second comingnof the Lord

 

[RuthHannah]

Nice point but lets get a little more verified in the word. Now show me in the word where it says that anyone from the old testimony was full of the Holy Ghost. If you read you shall see that Jesus was the olny one with the Holy Gjost until he died. No man before him had the Holy Ghost. Now you speak of Noah days. God destroyed almost all of man kind to preserve the liniage of David. No one else stood upright except Noah because thats how it was designed. The isrealites and gentiles came from the sons of Noah. Now when the flood came and they died Jesus came years after and died on the cross. Gave up the Ghost and descended into the lower parts of the earth. Now if Jesus had not preached tonall the souls before his coming as he still does today, wouldnt that make God a liar and unjust

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[h=3]2 Samuel 23:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

The bible shews many of God prophets were filled with the Holy Spirit in OT

Jesus was filled with it without measure that is a difference

Elisha ask Elijah let a double portion of the Holy Spirt fall on him

Why did David ask God not to take the Holy Spirit away from Him

How about Daniel

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the bible clearly shews no one got eternal life in the past but all are awaiting the promise from abel to the end of times

The bible clearly teaches I can know I HAVE eternal life now. It certainly does not teach it is not a future event, This would be unbiblical

Jesus told nicodemous., Whoever believes in him HAS (present tense) eternal life. He did not say he would later have (future tense) eternal life. or that they Might have eternal life.

 

[NWL]

man has a body , soul and spirit

1 Thessalonians 5:23

King James Version (KJV)

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord JesusChrist.

The word “spirit” in the Bible applies at times to the “mental inclination” and not always to the “life force”

Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian congregation, not men themselves, which included spirit-anointed Christians in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the congregation be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its “spirit,” or mental disposition. He also prayed for its “soul,” its life, or existence, and for its “body", the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul’s intense concern for the congregation.

 

[RuthHannah]

The bible clearly teaches I can know I HAVE eternal life now. It certainly does not teach it is not a future event, This would be unbiblical

Jesus told nicodemous., Whoever believes in him HAS (present tense) eternal life. He did not say he would later have (future tense) eternal life. or that they Might have eternal life.

Are you sure you have eternal life now then why do we die ?
Accepting Jesus is to get eternal life there is a difference
Why the resurrection ?
Are you 100% you are saved if the Lord was to call you home now ?
What are the promises Abraham and David awaits ?
What is the reward Jesus is coming with ?

 

[notuptome]

What are we to do with 1 John 5:13?

I suggest that if you do not know then you do not possess. His Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are His.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[oldhermit]

Forgive my assumption, most people I talk to always believe the word παραδείσῳ in luke 23:43 to refers to heavens which God resides, whilst the few others such as yourself believe it to be as you put it "unseen realm where the souls of men await the resurrection." Maybe you could help me and point me to the verse which speak of this unseen realm where people await to be resurrected.

The word ᾅδης literally means "to not see" thus, the realm of the unseen.
There is the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. This very clearly illustrates what happens to man in death and his state of existence on the ᾅδης world. The two terms used to in this text to represent the two divisions of the ᾅδης world are κόλπον Ἀβραάμ - the bosom of Abraham and φλογὶ - flame or fire.
There is also Rev. 20:14 which illustrates the temporary nature of the one in contrast to the permanent state of the other. But I really do not expect that your JW background will allow you see this.

 

[RuthHannah]

The word “spirit” in the Bible applies at times to the “mental inclination” and not always to the “life force”

Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian congregation, not men themselves, which included spirit-anointed Christians in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the congregation be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its “spirit,” or mental disposition. He also prayed for its “soul,” its life, or existence, and for its “body", the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul’s intense concern for the congregation.

nope, were you taught this or that is how you understand it by oneself ?

is the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God or Jesus ?

 

[RuthHannah]

The word ᾅδης literally means "to not see" thus, the realm of the unseen.
There is the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. This very clearly illustrates what happens to man in death and his state of existence on the ᾅδης world. The two terms used to in this text to represent the two divisions of the ᾅδης world are κόλπον Ἀβραάμ - the bosom of Abraham and φλογὶ - flame or fire.
There is also Rev. 20:14 which illustrates the temporary nature of the one in contrast to the permanent state of the other. But I really do not expect that your JW background will allow you see this.

Are you saying the wicked are in a firery place right now

 

[RuthHannah]

The word “spirit” in the Bible applies at times to the “mental inclination” and not always to the “life force”

Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian congregation, not men themselves, which included spirit-anointed Christians in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the congregation be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its “spirit,” or mental disposition. He also prayed for its “soul,” its life, or existence, and for its “body", the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul’s intense concern for the congregation.

Do you think that angels have a spirit ?

 

[cjordan38]

2 Samuel 23:1-3 (King James Version)

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2 Samuel 23:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

The bible shews many of God prophets were filled with the Holy Spirit in OT

Jesus was filled with it without measure that is a difference

Elisha ask Elijah let a double portion of the Holy Spirt fall on him

Why did David ask God not to take the Holy Spirit away from Him

How about Daniel

You have to read. The prophets walked in the presence of God and talked directly to him. When David would reffer to the spirit of God he was reffering to God. If the Holy Ghost was here then why would John the Baptist, who is known as the greatest, say that Jesus needed to baptize him?

 

[oldhermit]

Chapter breaks, chapter headings, and punctuation were all added - original MSS had none of these. Scripture was written in running text and broken or punctuated by men.

Original inspired scripture was in running script - verilyisaytotheetodayshaltthoubewithmeinparadise (although in Greek/Aramaic). You can see how difficult that would be to read so the translators added punctuation as they saw fit. Changing punctuation does not change the "inspired words" of scripture but can have an effect on what the "inspired words" say.

Yes, I understand that. That does not mean that the language did not have rules of punctuation. Let me show you seven different Greek texts of this verse. All seven agree with the placement of the comma before today.
ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμήν σοι λέγω, σήμερον μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ Παραδείσῳ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort 1881
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμήν σοι λέγω, σήμερον μετ' ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants]
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμήν σοι λέγω, σήμερον μετ' ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Καὶ εἴπεν αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, Ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, σήμερον μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· Ἀμήν λέγω σοι, σήμερον μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:43 Greek NT: Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ, ὁ Ἰησοῦς, Ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, σήμερον μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

Luke 23:43 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)​

καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ἀμήν σοι λέγω, σήμερον μετ’ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.

 

[RuthHannah]

You have to read. The prophets walked in the presence of God and talked directly to him. When David would reffer to the spirit of God he was reffering to God. If the Holy Ghost was here then why would John the Baptist, who is known as the greatest, say that Jesus needed to baptize him?

The bible clearly shews that God Holy Spirit dwell in certain individuals and in some moved some at times in OT

What Did Elisha asked for ? Did the Holy Spirit periodically or did the Holy Spirit dwell in them ?

Do you think that Jesus only got the Holy Spirit for the 1st time when John Baptise Him ?

 

[oldhermit]

Are you saying the wicked are in a firery place right now

It does not matter what I believe. What does the parable of Luke 16 tell us?

 

[john832]

Where in the bible says that our spirit goes to a conscious realm at death ?
I thought God the Father had Jesus spirit for Jesus said Father into thy hands i commit my spirit
Where was and is God ? In heaven right

Right here...

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Oh wait, it says the exact opposite. The dead are unconscious until the resurrection.

 

[RuthHannah]

It does not matter what I believe. What does the parable of Luke 16 tell us?

There was a parable about cutting off your hands , shall i go and do that ?

was Abraham resurrected at that time Jesus gave the parable ? Or is he awaiting a resurrection ?

 

[RuthHannah]

Right here...

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Oh wait, it says the exact opposite. The dead are unconscious until the resurrection.

Where is the double like button ?

 

[john832]

This is a misrepresentation. It is grammatically incorrect. One cannot simply move punctuation around anywhere one desires simply to defend a theological theory.

Seems the translators did.