Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[Veritas]

If it is, the antinomian position I see on these pages is more so. Their interpretation of "law" contradicts what Psalm 1, Psalm 119, and scores of other references say on this subject. Their interpretation of "law" is so broad that it leaves no definition for sin. It is in total disagreement with what Jesus meant when saying "every word" (Matt. 4:4), and Paul when saying,"all scripture" (2 Tim. 3:16). Those of the antinomian position are denying the very laws used by Jesus as His moral compass. If, their all encompassing definition of "law" is correct why does 1 John remind us that "sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4)? Was John confused, or are those who claim that Jesus came to abrogate that which defines sin?

Always the book of Galatians, written by Paul is used to "prove" that there is no need to follow the Commandments. I have found that the translation is what causes the confusion. I quote the KJV here for ease of cut and paste. However, translations from the Eastern Peshitta Manuscripts make things clearer. It's when people are told that we are supposed to follow the Commandments that tempers flare up. That is not useful.

In John's Revelation we read what he told in chap 22: [SUP]14[/SUP] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.[SUP]15[/SUP] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[RedTent]

Are you placing the ceremonial laws alongside the 10 Commandments?
Let us 1st separate the 'Law' and call it the 10 Commandments.
All else will be referred to as 'Mosaic regulations'.

Scripture tells us that ceremonial laws are not required, I think we should go by scripture.

Scripture also gives us the ceremonial laws, so there is something about them we must need to know. I think it is necessary we learn this. As an example, physical circumcision is not required according to scripture, but spiritual circumcision is required. Kosher is not required, but spiritual kosher is required, I think, in the same way. So God doesn't care if you eat port, but God cares if you put dirt in your mind. God doesn't care if you have dinner with people who follow other Gods, the gods of sin, but God cares if we join them in following their gods. I think we are asked to understand this.

 

[iamsoandso]

lol,,null and void? men tried their best for years to make peace between themselves and the father,doves,goats and bulls,to make peace between themselves and god,,then after one sacrifice was completed and the next was then set in it's order the years went by,and at the end of these the final sacrifice was set upon the cross,,,

many years the priest looked at the grain and reckoned the time of the first fruits of the harvest and told the Hebrew when to come to the feast,,this month or that month so that it was the first fruit of the harvest ,,then there was an time and the final sacrifice was made ready,,an virgin was with child,and he was prepared and set forth on the alter of god as ordained.

there are only these to speak of the ten,and the sacrifices being presented to god at the alter for the breaking of the ten,,the child was then set upon the alter and the final sacrifice required by the father was received. the law requires an end sacrifice that is the son of god nothing left out of it's order,first the sinners bringing the sacrifice and the priest receiving it unto the ordnance,then the receiving it by god.

who then after this will bring a sacrifice to the alter other than one who denies the sacrifice brought before it?,that is if one sacrifice is full and accepted by god let none bring another and say the one before it is not pure as if it is judged blemished. without spot and without blemish bring the end of the sacrifices,that is the cross and let any whom in their heart,worry or doubt let him find another than the grace given by the law of god,,,

today,as if we do not understand "today",,,mankind is bickering over the acceptable thing to take to the feast,to give to the priest and ask for mercy,,,this is the day before the cross they are reckoning. but this is "today",,today is the day after the cross,after the offering for our sin without blemish,today is the day when we go home from the synagog and live together in peace and joy for the sacrifice is in the hands of our father and he is looking upon it.,,,

it is in a mans mind that he is going to the temple to ask forgiveness,he should be going home and crying and leaping with joy in obtaining it. take your temporary tent down and go home and live in peace. at the end of 7 years the wage is set free,the earth is at rest,do we not see that joseph and Mary were the next day on their way home and looking for their son found him about his fathers business?,,you are going home from the cross and the final sacrifice,,it is done,do not turn around and look back and doubt,,,,,

 

[Ukorin]

Scripture tells us that ceremonial laws are not required, I think we should go by scripture.

Scripture also gives us the ceremonial laws, so there is something about them we must need to know. I think it is necessary we learn this. As an example, physical circumcision is not required according to scripture, but spiritual circumcision is required. Kosher is not required, but spiritual kosher is required, I think, in the same way. So God doesn't care if you eat port, but God cares if you put dirt in your mind. God doesn't care if you have dinner with people who follow other Gods, the gods of sin, but God cares if we join them in following their gods. I think we are asked to understand this.

For some reason it came across that you were saying something different when you were posting before. I fully agree with what you just posted.
I was only saying to be careful not to get caught up in the physical side, and focus on the spiritual side, regardless of which traditions we practice.
sorry.
What you have just said is God's wisdom. I am humbled.

 

[Veritas]

Are you placing the ceremonial laws alongside the 10 Commandments?
Let us 1st separate the 'Law' and call it the 10 Commandments.
All else will be referred to as 'Mosaic regulations'.

There are 613 commandments in the Torah. You can't separate them anymore than I can.
Also, you seem upset. The elder you were chatting with is not in error but you are trying to correct her?

 

[Veritas]

Scripture tells us that ceremonial laws are not required, I think we should go by scripture.

Scripture also gives us the ceremonial laws, so there is something about them we must need to know. I think it is necessary we learn this. As an example, physical circumcision is not required according to scripture, but spiritual circumcision is required. Kosher is not required, but spiritual kosher is required, I think, in the same way. So God doesn't care if you eat port, but God cares if you put dirt in your mind. God doesn't care if you have dinner with people who follow other Gods, the gods of sin, but God cares if we join them in following their gods. I think we are asked to understand this.

I agree with most of what you said here except for the clean and unclean animals. Swine flesh is still a stench in YHWH's nostrils. Isaiah 65 I think. Those dietary and the wearing of tassels are certainly some of the least commandments though.

 

[Veritas]

Mt. 5:[SUP]19[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[SUP]20[/SUP] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JesusLives]

P.S. After reading a few of these posts I'd just like to add that this is the first I am hearing of this Hebrew Roots cult so I don't believe that I am a part of it nor am I defending it.

My post #1199 is that I am just standing for Gods law - 10 Commandments which I believe are the rules of His government.

 

[iamsoandso]

"let us figure what to do to be saved(one man)",,,,"thank you for saving me when i could not"(the other man),,,,

 

[Veritas]

I just finished posting this in another thread, however, looks like it would be relevant here in this thread. Please note that I am referring only to the 10 Commandments written in stone by God Himself not all the other laws that were given to Moses.

I would also like to add that I don't believe the Sabbath was ever just a Jewish law as it was originally given to Adam and Eve at creation as a celebration of the end of the creation week. Yes, I believe that God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Angels and Adam and Eve all celebrated that very First Sabbath and I believe it will be celebrated in heaven after Satan, evil angels, wicked, sin and death is destroyed.

I have never said that the 10 Commandments could save anyone. Unfortunately I have literally broken all 10 Commandments and I'm not proud of it. I had an abortion in my 20's I can't go back and change it, but I praise God that He has forgiven me with His grace. That was about 30 years ago - so believe me when I say I understand Gods grace.

However, I do believe that they are the rules that show us what sin is and what God expects and has asked us to obey. Have I obeyed them NO I can't Jesus did it for me that is called Grace.

I do not believe the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross as some do. God thought it was important enough to write the rules of His government down on stone with His finger. When we all get to heaven the rules will still be in place, but they will all be obeyed out of love to God and our fellow man.

I'm talking about in heaven now when we have been made perfect. We will honor Gods rules there will never be stealing, killing, lying, adultery, coveting, in heaven we will all love God with all our hearts, we will not put anything above God as in no idols, we will keep Sabbath it says so in Isaiah 66:23, we will still love an honor our parents and no one will take Gods name in vain in heaven. Actually the whole chapter of Isaiah 66 is a good read the and the last few verses are talking about heaven.

Jesus is our Savior and His death on the cross paid the price for our salvation and reconciliation to God the Father. I so look forward to getting back to the Garden of Eden state that Adam and Eve started in. To be able to walk and talk face to face with God what glory, honor and praise is due our Savior

Amien to that. I don't think He was just fooling around when speaking to Moses or when He carved the 10 into stone.

 

[JaumeJ]

Any theology feeling it needs a name to separate it from other theologies and not in the Book is a cult to one degree or another.

If by believing Jesus Christ, Yeshua, we are drawn closer and closer to the faith of Abraham, we are escaping the cultist tendencies.

Yeshua was a Jew. Yeshua means Salvation, quite literally, and Salvation is from the Jews.

 

[JGIG]

Scripture tells us that ceremonial laws are not required, I think we should go by scripture.

Scripture also gives us the ceremonial laws, so there is something about them we must need to know. I think it is necessary we learn this. As an example, physical circumcision is not required according to scripture, but spiritual circumcision is required. Kosher is not required, but spiritual kosher is required, I think, in the same way. So God doesn't care if you eat port, but God cares if you put dirt in your mind. God doesn't care if you have dinner with people who follow other Gods, the gods of sin, but God cares if we join them in following their gods. I think we are asked to understand this.

There are 613 commandments in the Torah. You can't separate them anymore than I can.

This is the obvious problem with the Torah-centric, Law-keeping (Hebrew Roots) Movements.

The Law is the Law. It cannot be picked apart, and it is not abolished. Christ did fulfill it, however (Mt 5:17-19), and in Christ, we die to the Law:

[SUP]
20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (from Gal. 2)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)​

Grace and peace,
-JGIG
Grace or Law? How Then, Shall We Live?

 

[Hizikyah]

This is the obvious problem with the Torah-centric, Law-keeping (Hebrew Roots) Movements.

The Law is the Law. It cannot be picked apart, and it is not abolished. Christ did fulfill it, however (Mt 5:17-19), and in Christ, we die to the Law:

[SUP]
20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (from Gal. 2)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)​

Grace and peace,
-JGIG
Grace or Law? How Then, Shall We Live?

Dead to something that is written on our heart?

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

Dead to something that Shaul says is not to be done away?

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Dead to something that Messiah says we should follow?

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Hizikyah]

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)

why stop at verse 6?

verse 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

 

[JGIG]

This is the obvious problem with the Torah-centric, Law-keeping (Hebrew Roots) Movements.

The Law is the Law. It cannot be picked apart, and it is not abolished. Christ did fulfill it, however (Mt 5:17-19), and in Christ, we die to the Law:

[SUP]
20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (from Gal. 2)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)​

Grace and peace,
-JGIG
Grace or Law? How Then, Shall We Live?

Dead to something that is written on our heart?

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

Dead to something that Shaul says is not to be done away?

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Dead to something that Messiah says we should follow?

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Hebrew Roots and the Root Word Fallacy - Anomia/Anomos - YouTube

Torah (God's instructions) after the Work of Christ:

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

The Law of Christ – Defined and Defended

-JGIG

 

[Hizikyah]

Torah (God's instructions) after the Work of Christ:

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)
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The Law of Christ – Defined and Defended

-JGIG

How to love?

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

 

[JGIG]

How to love?

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

In the New Covenant, Love is Fruit that the Spirit produces through us, not the performance of Law.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)
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And then this:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.​

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (from Gal. 5)
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And in defining Love, Law is never mentioned in the New Covenant Scriptures:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
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[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant [SUP]5 [/SUP]or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; [SUP]6 [/SUP]it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. (1 Cor. 13)



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-JGIG
How I Became Aware of the Hebrew Roots Movement

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[JGIG]

If you choose to attempt to keep the Law, that is certainly your choice, but it is not Biblically mandated for those in Christ.

-JGIG

 

[Hizikyah]

In the New Covenant, Love is Fruit that the Spirit produces through us, not the performance of Law.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)
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And then this:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.​

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (from Gal. 5)​

Do you not know everything listed in fruits of the Sipruit is promoted in yahweh;s Law and everything listed in fruits of the flesh is sin according to Yahweh's Law?

One that is a part of the covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah, has the Law of Yahweh or more accurately the Torah, written on their heart, how could one believe it shouldnt be followed, it shouldnt be read, or it applies no longer if they are truly a part of this covenant? I believe the only reason I love His instructions is because Yahweh has put this on my heart, years ago when I was lost I certainly did not enjoy His Instructions.

[SUP]Jeremiah 31:33 [/SUP]But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. NKJV

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law
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And in defining Love, Law is never mentioned in the New Covenant Scriptures:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
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[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant [SUP]5 [/SUP]or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; [SUP]6 [/SUP]it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. (1 Cor. 13)
-JGIG
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How I Became Aware of the Hebrew Roots Movement

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Hizikyah]

If you choose to attempt to keep the Law, that is certainly your choice, but it is not Biblically mandated for those in Christ.

-JGIG

Being justified yes, Messiah has become of no effect, but not following,

You say Yahweh's Law and faith in Messiah is like oil and water, but the Scripture do not say this:

New International Version
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

New Living Translation
This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

English Standard Version
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

King James Bible
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This demands the perseverance of the saints, who keep God's commands and their faith in Jesus."

International Standard Version
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to their faithfulness in Jesus:

NET Bible
This requires the steadfast endurance of the saints--those who obey God's commandments and hold to their faith in Jesus.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Here is the patience of The Holy Ones, those who keep the commands of God and the faith of Yeshua.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In this situation God's holy people, who obey his commands and keep their faith in Jesus, need endurance.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

American King James Version
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

American Standard Version
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Darby Bible Translation
Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

English Revised Version
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Webster's Bible Translation
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
Here is an opportunity for endurance on the part of God's people, who carefully keep His commandments and the faith of Jesus!"

World English Bible
Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

Young's Literal Translation
Here is endurance of the saints: here are those keeping the commands of God, and the faith of Jesus.'