Can Mosaic Law commend you to God

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can the Law make you righteous enough to enter God's presence?

  • yes

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • no

    Votes: 19 95.0%

  • Total voters
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danschance

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#21
I do not believe the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross as some do.
No one that I know claims the 10 commandments were nailed on the cross. Think about, no one you know of has ever told that, right? You are exaggerating, right?
 
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psychomom

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#22
The question seems to come down to asking what good is the law? We are told so many things it won't do that lots of posters are saying it really has no purpose. It won't sanctify us, won't save us, doesn't work at all without the Holy Spirit, and on and on about what it won't do and what it isn't. Some say they have Christ, they don't need anyone telling them what to do.


Who, Ma'am? Who says this?


Yet scripture gives us a psalm with 176 verses in it, praising law. There is scripture telling us 613 ways to behave in such a way we have a good safe world to live in. Lots of those laws were how to handle the temple, etc. that has changed now that Christ was resurrected, but the principles remain the same. The blood of animals is Christ's blood. The temple isn't in a building, we are the temple. Christ is the high priest. People are now so far removed from the people of thousands of years ago that God used to show his principles that those scriptures are so little understood that most Christians only laugh at them, now. They say those laws were about stoning people and laugh at God.
Don't you think if the whole world was obedient to all the NT commands without fail we'd have a safe and happy place to live?
Did God really ever expect national Israel to be perfectly obedient to the Law?
And what I placed in bold...are you saying others say that, or is this your own thought?
There's something seriously wrong with that statement, and I don't want to attribute it to you if that's incorrect. :)
 
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#23
2,000 years later and we are still discussing the curse of the law. Wow, We have Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews, and so on. No wonder Abraham told Lazarus, they have the law and the prophets if they do not believe them they will not believe though their brother come back from the dead.

​Just wow!!
Well, wow!
2000 years and you still havent read your bible through

still confusing the law of circumcision and sacrifices with the Law of God
WOW!
cant read
Wow.
 
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#24
what are you going to say to Jesus.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that break the ten commandments...

Teadhing people the law is no longer needed is the doctrine of the nicolatians, God hates that false doctrine

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

and
may I ask

where are you?
 
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#25
Can breaking GODS law recommend you to God?

MAking sure you do not try to be obedient cause that is works and then you will go to hell?

crazy religion.
 
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Karraster

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#26
Can breaking GODS law recommend you to God?

MAking sure you do not try to be obedient cause that is works and then you will go to hell?

crazy religion.
Even crazier, I think they really believe what they're saying!
 
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danschance

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#27
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I do not believe people are condemned who try to follow the law, all who love God are trying to please Him, even those trying to work their way into God's favor, his grace is not voided because someone attempts to obey his law, in my opinion.
Check out this scripture:
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. Gal 5:4
 
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Karraster

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#28
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”
 
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Hoffco

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#29
It is very sad indeed how people can twist the clear commands of God; " this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments". Love is to obey, Hoffco
 

JaumeJ

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#30
Shall I say the law is evil, and break them any time it pleases me, hedonistically or otherwise?

Can anyone save himself? Only by the grace allowed by the sacrifice of Yeshua is any man saved.

If one breaks laws at will having accepted Jesus Christ's holy and tremendous sacrifice for us, he then tramples the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh.

What I will do then is observe the laws, but live in the gift of grace.

Do not say to yourself or to others it is impossible to know which laws are to be obeyed when your new nature tells you from the heart. If you do not know by your new nature, I fear you have no new nature.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the teachings (which contain the law) and the prophets.

He fulfilled them for me, thus the law is now nothing to fear, and mercy will always trump those laws not to be observed. Circumstances trump the ceremonial and geographical laws. There really is not much more to be said.

The law is very much alive, but it's curse has been annihilated on the cross.
 
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nathan3

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#31
Can you be saved by obeying the Law of Moses?
Will you be found righteous in God's sight by The Law?
Well yes if; its also as a Christian .

It is God's law so ; if you fallow it its going to be all the better for you, and anyone that listens to it. But the law alone, can't save you.

We have remission of sins, after we accept Christ. But there's no more forgiveness of sins, if you willingly break God's laws. We would have to defiantly have a change of heart, and repent. I don't know anyone that go's out and sins willfully, but Christians even, now a days say things that are troubling, like, they can break God's laws, and think, that they will be okay.


You need Christ, and to listen to Christ words. Christ being God , it would only be natural for a Christian to obey God's words, His laws : of which Christ also said to us, to follow. Just as He did.
 
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JaumeJ

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#32
In order to come to Jesus Christ one must repent of his sin. It is only through knowledge of the teachings which include the laws that one may even know he is a sinner. The Apostles taught this.
People cannot become Christian without knowledge of the law, that is knowledge of what breaking it is, sin.


Shall I say the law is evil, and break them any time it pleases me, hedonistically or otherwise?

Can anyone save himself? Only by the grace allowed by the sacrifice of Yeshua is any man saved.

If one breaks laws at will having accepted Jesus Christ's holy and tremendous sacrifice for us, he then tramples the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh.

What I will do then is observe the laws, but live in the gift of grace.

Do not say to yourself or to others it is impossible to know which laws are to be obeyed when your new nature tells you from the heart. If you do not know by your new nature, I fear you have no new nature.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the teachings (which contain the law) and the prophets.

He fulfilled them for me, thus the law is now nothing to fear, and mercy will always trump those laws not to be observed. Circumstances trump the ceremonial and geographical laws. There really is not much more to be said.

The law is very much alive, but it's curse has been annihilated on the cross.
 
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Hoffco

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#33
God has always requirered law keeping; so we better make sure which laws do God requirer for us today. Love to all, All "lawless" persons will be cast into hell, only those who are doers of good, go to heaven. Hoffco
 
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Hoffco

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#34
Here is the way to be saved: 1Tim.4:16 "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you." All of the Bible requires, Repentance, Faith, and Obedience. to God. NOW , get busy, filling in this skeleton of salvation, if you want to be saved. Love to all Hoffco
 
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danschance

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#35
God has always requirered law keeping; so we better make sure which laws do God requirer for us today. Love to all, All "lawless" persons will be cast into hell, only those who are doers of good, go to heaven. Hoffco
Christians are required to obey the law of Christ and to be holy. The laws of Christ even included our very thoughts which is beyond the Mosaic laws. Jesus said if your eye offends you pluck it out. That is far beyond the Mosaic laws.
 
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danschance

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#36
It is very sad indeed how people can twist the clear commands of God; " this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments". Love is to obey, Hoffco
This statement means nothing unless you give an example.
 
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danschance

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#37
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”
When quoting a scripture it is good to also put down book, chapter and verse so others can look it up.
 
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Karraster

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#38
When quoting a scripture it is good to also put down book, chapter and verse so others can look it up.
hey thanks, i'll just write that down with all the other laws you dictate....cos you know my world revolves around you, doncha?
 

crossnote

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Here is the way to be saved: 1Tim.4:16 "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you." All of the Bible requires, Repentance, Faith, and Obedience. to God. NOW , get busy, filling in this skeleton of salvation, if you want to be saved. Love to all Hoffco
Gads, how much of this must WE DO til we are saved?
 
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cfultz3

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#40
We are going in circles. Love, Law it amounts to the same thing. So why should love in our hearts do away with law? Or law do away with love in our hearts? If we perform each law perfectly, but do not have our hearts right with God, it has little use. If we have love in our hearts while we disregard the law, it does no good, altho we can take ourselves to Christ with repentance always.
You say love and law is the same. Ok, I agree. But then you say, "If we perform each law perfectly, but do not have our hearts right with God, it has little use. If we have love in our hearts while we disregard the law, it does no good." If the Law is fulfilled by love and Love is expressed by the Law, then what you are describing is a hypocritical kind of love and is not God's love which is spoken in Scripture.

It all about the physical verses the spiritual. Do we love, which is spiritual or do we obey, which is physical? It is all about our souls living according to the dictates of our flesh or our spirit. Moses lead by the flesh. Christ leads by the spirit. It is all about the method we use to get to God. And it says that the fleshly way is dead and we are told that we are to become alive to our spirit. They cannot be mixed together, it is one or the other, either we are from the house of Moses or from the house of the Son. And I assure everyone, the Son has it right.