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I'm not advocating prenuptial agreements or no prenuptial agreements... I have no reason to believe that I'll ever need to draft or sign one.
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
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Hope they both remembered to sign the agreement though!!!
I'm not advocating prenuptial agreements or no prenuptial agreements... I have no reason to believe that I'll ever need to draft or sign one.
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
I'm not advocating prenuptial agreements or no prenuptial agreements... I have no reason to believe that I'll ever need to draft or sign one.
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
However, just for the sake of argument
God's covenants with Israel were not without conditions. He clearly stated what he would do for them if they remained faithful, and what he would do to them if they broke the covenant. Because even though he loved Israel with an amazing love, he knew they were a sinful people and might not keep the covenant. So even going into the relationship with them, he was upfront about what would happen if it were broken. Thoughts on this?
"Deuteronomy: God's Prenuptual Agreement with Israel"
I understand and respect those who want a prenup, because the reasons given so far actually make a lot of sense for those situations.
Hypothetically, if I were to marry within the next couple years, I wouldn't have much money. If my future husband was in the same situation, I don't see the need for a prenup in that case.
Hypothetically, if I were to marry within the next couple years, I wouldn't have much money.
If my future husband was in the same situation, I don't see the need for a prenup in that case.
If you don't expect for your house to catch on fire, why do you have smoke detectors?
If you don't expect to be in an accident on any particular trip, why do you put on a seatbelt?
If you don't expect to be robbed, why do you lock your doors and windows?
If you don't expect to die soon, why do you have a will and/or life insurance?
If you don't feel sick, why do you have health insurance?
If you don't plan to be debilitated, why do you have disability insurance?
If your doctor doesn't intend to make a mistake, why does she have malpractice insurance?
[Noticing a pattern yet?]
If you don't expect to be in an accident on any particular trip, why do you put on a seatbelt?
If you don't expect to be robbed, why do you lock your doors and windows?
If you don't expect to die soon, why do you have a will and/or life insurance?
If you don't feel sick, why do you have health insurance?
If you don't plan to be debilitated, why do you have disability insurance?
If your doctor doesn't intend to make a mistake, why does she have malpractice insurance?
[Noticing a pattern yet?]
using that "plan only for the best" logic, there would be no need for seatbelts, saftey nets, vitamin supplements or even insurance. you see, i drive/live/eat healthy/carefully, exercise regularly, don't take unnecessary risks, and try to use good judgment.
in many cases, we do not take safety precautions not for pessimistic reasons or insecurity, rather, we do it because we cannot speak for, or control the actions of another person. sometimes unavoidable circumstances happen. at the end of the day, i can only be accountable for, and speak for myself.
why would anyone think that ONLY planning for the best case scenario would be an exercise of trust and virtue? a big of part of life (and maturity) is being reasonable about what can (statistically) happen, learning from others' lives, and planning for multiple outcomes.
also, i would like to believe that the man who would marry me would want me to feel secure, and love me enough to want to provide/plan for my future (and the reverse is true as well) in any outcome.
for those who think that love is diminished by a pre-nup, i'd ask, isn't real love more than "i love you (only) as long as you're married to me"?
in many cases, we do not take safety precautions not for pessimistic reasons or insecurity, rather, we do it because we cannot speak for, or control the actions of another person. sometimes unavoidable circumstances happen. at the end of the day, i can only be accountable for, and speak for myself.
why would anyone think that ONLY planning for the best case scenario would be an exercise of trust and virtue? a big of part of life (and maturity) is being reasonable about what can (statistically) happen, learning from others' lives, and planning for multiple outcomes.
also, i would like to believe that the man who would marry me would want me to feel secure, and love me enough to want to provide/plan for my future (and the reverse is true as well) in any outcome.
for those who think that love is diminished by a pre-nup, i'd ask, isn't real love more than "i love you (only) as long as you're married to me"?
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Dude, you just Jesus-Juked us!
i'm going to directly quote one of the posts that donkeyfish gave (#23 in this thread), as i think it speaks to this quite well:
Why would that matter? A pre-nup is neither an assumption that your going to get divorced, or creating an option for divorce where none previously existed. It's simply a legal precaution. Unfortunately, our legal system does allow causes for Divorce that the bible does not. Fornication is the only biblical reason I'm aware of where it's permissible, yet "Irreconcilable Differences" is a legal strategy someone can use to obtain a divorce. Should a person who keeps their wedding vows and does not file for divorce, have to give up their home because the other party legally obtains a divorce for an un-biblical reason?
Why would that matter? A pre-nup is neither an assumption that your going to get divorced, or creating an option for divorce where none previously existed. It's simply a legal precaution. Unfortunately, our legal system does allow causes for Divorce that the bible does not. Fornication is the only biblical reason I'm aware of where it's permissible, yet "Irreconcilable Differences" is a legal strategy someone can use to obtain a divorce. Should a person who keeps their wedding vows and does not file for divorce, have to give up their home because the other party legally obtains a divorce for an un-biblical reason?
Since you either didn't follow the link or were unable to understand the reference, I will provide a definition:
"Jesus jukes are moves that you make in online conversation to showcase your superior Jesus-ness at the expense of other people."
You used a poorly constructed sentence in post #53, so I'm having to guess at your intended meaning. From my understanding, you hijacked the conversation by implying that the original question is not holy enough. The OP posted, " I would like to know your opinion about Prenuptial agreement? Would you do it? Yes or No and why?" The question was about Christian behavior/choices in our temporal world. By playing the God card, so to speak, you belittled the thread and those discussing the topic.
Ergo, you Jesus-Juked us.
"Jesus jukes are moves that you make in online conversation to showcase your superior Jesus-ness at the expense of other people."
You used a poorly constructed sentence in post #53, so I'm having to guess at your intended meaning. From my understanding, you hijacked the conversation by implying that the original question is not holy enough. The OP posted, " I would like to know your opinion about Prenuptial agreement? Would you do it? Yes or No and why?" The question was about Christian behavior/choices in our temporal world. By playing the God card, so to speak, you belittled the thread and those discussing the topic.
Ergo, you Jesus-Juked us.
I find your words insulting and completely unbecoming of an alleged Christian. I am by no means suggesting I am more righteous than anyone else. You belittle me in fear youve belittled yourself. My question and statement were entirely relevant to the OP. The point being why sign a prenup if you dont fear losing your precious little earthly things in the first place?
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