Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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The Great Commission is when Jesus gave his last command, which was teach and baptize, so why do you ignore this command? Act's 2:38 Peter was asked by the people what must we do to be saved, he replied repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, now why do you ignore this also? Mark 16:16 He that believeth, and here's the key part to this message, ?"AND IS" baptized will be saved, now what's the reason for ignoring this one? You are not saved until you come up out of that water, no exceptions.
Why are you using the word work when referencing being baptized? Works that the bible speaks of is your good deeds, which God expects from us, you know, like saving souls, helping others and doing anything and everything to make God pleased. Doing good covers a multitude of sins. You have to be baptized in order to be saved, and until you come up out of that water you are not saved.
If one believes He expects one to be baptised also. It is an act of faith. One cannot enter into the Kingdom unless one is baptised by water and the Spirit. Anything we do in faith is a work. It is something that is required of us.
Being baptised does not save one either. It enters one into Christ. Again, being IN Christ is having possession of your salvation, but it is not a guarnatee. You cannot be saved without it, but you are not saved necessarily just because you were baptised.
Being baptised does not save one either. It enters one into Christ. Again, being IN Christ is having possession of your salvation, but it is not a guarnatee. You cannot be saved without it, but you are not saved necessarily just because you were baptised.
I do not teach that salvation is through what James refers to as "faith only," (faith that is barren of works, empty profession of faith). I teach that salvation is by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) then we are created in Christ Jesus unto/for good works (Ephesians 2:10). This does not remove good works as the fruit of salvation, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to the root of salvation, faith.
I never said this. I was simply stating that Christ is the all sufficient means of our salvation. No supplements needed.
I am not simply doing nothing, I am working out my salvation, but not working for my salvation. There is a difference. Salvation is a matter of believing/faith in Christ alone. To say that faith in Christ is not enough is to say that the object of our belief/faith (Christ's finished work of redemption) is not enough to save us and we must add our works to help Him save us. That's faith in works not faith in Christ.
Works are separated from faith as the root of salvation, but they cannot be separated as the fruit of salvation. Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit would demonstrate no root.
We have been saved from the penalty of sin through faith "justification" and we are being saved from the power of sin "ongoing sanctification". There are three tenses to salvation 1. Justification 2. Sanctification 3. Glorification. These tenses usually end up getting mixed up by those who teach salvation by works.
What will works determine for believers at the judgment? 1 Corinthians 3:13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; (of reward) but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
I already clearly explained that man is saved through faith and not by works, yet genuine faith is substantiated and confirmed by good works. That is the balance that you seem to have out of balance, namely, salvation by works.
Works are the fruit of faith, not the essence of faith. This is critical to understand.
Faith that trusts in Christ "alone" for salvation and faith that remains "alone" in producing good works are two separate alone's in connection with two different things.
I never said this. I was simply stating that Christ is the all sufficient means of our salvation. No supplements needed.
I am not simply doing nothing, I am working out my salvation, but not working for my salvation. There is a difference. Salvation is a matter of believing/faith in Christ alone. To say that faith in Christ is not enough is to say that the object of our belief/faith (Christ's finished work of redemption) is not enough to save us and we must add our works to help Him save us. That's faith in works not faith in Christ.
Works are separated from faith as the root of salvation, but they cannot be separated as the fruit of salvation. Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit would demonstrate no root.
We have been saved from the penalty of sin through faith "justification" and we are being saved from the power of sin "ongoing sanctification". There are three tenses to salvation 1. Justification 2. Sanctification 3. Glorification. These tenses usually end up getting mixed up by those who teach salvation by works.
What will works determine for believers at the judgment? 1 Corinthians 3:13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; (of reward) but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
I already clearly explained that man is saved through faith and not by works, yet genuine faith is substantiated and confirmed by good works. That is the balance that you seem to have out of balance, namely, salvation by works.
Works are the fruit of faith, not the essence of faith. This is critical to understand.
Faith that trusts in Christ "alone" for salvation and faith that remains "alone" in producing good works are two separate alone's in connection with two different things.
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Who said she is ignoring them?
He said go make disciples. and baptize THEM. They were already disciples when they were baptized (saved)[quote 1. Peter did not tell them to repent AND be baptized, He told them to REPENT, and then told those who repented to be baptized (you have the context and wording wrong, He di dnot tell everyone to be baptized)
2. Mark 16 does not say to be baptized in water, Your assuming this, This would be a false assumption. Since every other place. Jesus said repent and believe ONLY .
He said go make disciples. and baptize THEM. They were already disciples when they were baptized (saved)[quote 1. Peter did not tell them to repent AND be baptized, He told them to REPENT, and then told those who repented to be baptized (you have the context and wording wrong, He di dnot tell everyone to be baptized)
2. Mark 16 does not say to be baptized in water, Your assuming this, This would be a false assumption. Since every other place. Jesus said repent and believe ONLY .
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Yes it is dead, which means it never existed, it had NO LIFE. It is not faith, it is mere belief.
Where o you get these defenitions? Faith does not mean bible instruction. Faith means a trust and assurance in something you are told. or something you are promised, or someone who is offering to do something for you. Or a trust only in self and your works. (a lack of faith in someone else)
I guess no one will be saved then, For all have sinned, Are sinning and Will sin, so everyone is disobedient.
Good luck with that gospel of damnation.
so your going to fight of your own will power, and strength to obey God when God says you can do NOTHING of yourself.
God rejects carnal (self imposed and self powered) works. He calls them filthy rags and human good.
Only God can work in and through you not only for salvation, but for good works.
Where o you get these defenitions? Faith does not mean bible instruction. Faith means a trust and assurance in something you are told. or something you are promised, or someone who is offering to do something for you. Or a trust only in self and your works. (a lack of faith in someone else)
I guess no one will be saved then, For all have sinned, Are sinning and Will sin, so everyone is disobedient.
Good luck with that gospel of damnation.
so your going to fight of your own will power, and strength to obey God when God says you can do NOTHING of yourself.
God rejects carnal (self imposed and self powered) works. He calls them filthy rags and human good.
Only God can work in and through you not only for salvation, but for good works.
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well thanks for the new english verson.
But lets look at it how it was written.
Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, (everyone he is speaking to) Repent (2nd personal plural, He is telling EVERYONE in the crowd to repent), and and let every one of you (3rd person singular. He is only talking to induviduals here, NOT everyone in the crowd) Be baptized (again 3rd person singular, he is only speaking this command to select induviduals) in the name of Jesus Christ
But lets look at it how it was written.
Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, (everyone he is speaking to) Repent (2nd personal plural, He is telling EVERYONE in the crowd to repent), and and let every one of you (3rd person singular. He is only talking to induviduals here, NOT everyone in the crowd) Be baptized (again 3rd person singular, he is only speaking this command to select induviduals) in the name of Jesus Christ
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the ones who repented and recieved the gift of the spirit.
it is shown in the verses which follow.
acts 2: 41: [SUP]41 [/SUP]Then those who gladly received his word were baptized.
these people had repented and recieved the gift of the HS, and because of their remmision of sin, they obeyed Gods first command for any believer, and were baptized.
it is shown in the verses which follow.
acts 2: 41: [SUP]41 [/SUP]Then those who gladly received his word were baptized.
these people had repented and recieved the gift of the HS, and because of their remmision of sin, they obeyed Gods first command for any believer, and were baptized.
Who are the select one's he talking to? If he was talking to select individuals, then why did all of them, 3,000 be baptized and added to the church, which is the beginning of the church having members. How could he be talking to select individuals without calling them out to be recognized, and for what reason in a mass crowd would he do something like that when it would be impossible to call a specific person in a crowd like that, it doesn't make sense.
If it's not water, then what are you to be baptized in? Yes he told all those who asked what to do to be saved to be baptized, 3,000 people would mean ALL OF THEM. What were these 3,000 people baptized in? No it doesn't say just believe, you are leaving out the rest of the command, just like in John 3:16 if you would look in John 3:22 is the rest of the message to John 3;16 which is baptism, you're skimming for your answers instead of reading it completely.
