Fundamentalism

[gamlet]

gamlet
i didn't ask you that to make you aware of yourself,we all know our miseries....
but just saying when we start leading,things doesn't look the same like we were sitting and listening..
Many quit leading,because they are cornered by devil and believers..

So, totally a new perspective to think of...
There are practical dangers to be taken care of too....
But people like joel osteen are excluded anyways...
God Bless

I guess I'm still not in the leadership position where you make decisions about who gets the mic. I'm in a situation where I speak from the pews. So, I haven't really considered this problem from that point of view...

About Joel Osteen, what do you mean that he is excluded?

 

[pastac]

this is a good thread not my thoughts but a good read.

 

[gamlet]

this is a good thread not my thoughts but a good read.

Thanks for saying so...

 

[Dan58]

“Fundamentalists draw clear distinctions between themselves, as true believers, and others, convinced that they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil. Fundamentalists are militant in fighting against any challenge to their beliefs. They are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal or even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda. There are three words that characterize fundamentalism: rigidity, domination, and exclusion.”
- Jimmy Carter


The Fundamentalism that is spoken of here is pretty common in current Christianity. How do we root it out?

I think Carter's definition of fundamentalism was inaccurate. Fundamentalist generally disagree with those who contradict the bible. The way to root them out is to eliminate the bible. jmo

 

[ji]

I guess I'm still not in the leadership position where you make decisions about who gets the mic. I'm in a situation where I speak from the pews. So, I haven't really considered this problem from that point of view...

About Joel Osteen, what do you mean that he is excluded?

...its not about who gets the mic....
Its about leading the Church...managing....
not preaching,its doing...

joel is excluded in the sense its written on his face that he believes in other gods like self pride,money(prosperity) without hiding.he is a secular person,not a crooked pharisee..
The real prob when we point is whether we stood there or know in detail about person who stand in pulpit...and if other than fornication,murder,bribery,etc and also condemning without weeping for Grace of God for them,...we cannot exclude ourselves from the accusations that we make to them..
Did i miss anything?i want to know...this is a good thread..

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

How do WE root it OUT?

How about Hitler how he rooted out Jews?
MAybe you could gas us

how about Romans how they rooted out disciples
the crucified them

how about like Klu lux klan
they burned tham and castrated them
that ought to get rid of all those who dont believe just like you

Satan is here in person I see.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Dude,
Jesus wa s a fundamentalist my friend

right?

It iw written it is written it is written....

Jesus you didnt wash your hands come wash... NO it is written

JEsus, show a little respect for the pervert priests ok lighten up

no it is written

Jesus your mom is here telling you not to go craxy
No it is written

JEsus was the leading fundamentalist of all time


when I hear someone complainging about fundamentalists, it is usually because they are wolves in sheeps clothing keeping SUNDAY and selling them lies that it dont matter what you DO Jesus paid it all

and the devil laughed.


and laughed and laughed

his ministers preach good sermons.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God

that is pretty fundamentl

you know what they USED to call Fundamentalists?
they used to call them CHRISTIANS

now even CATHOLICS call themselves CHRISTIAN even though they dont follow ONE THING IN THE BIBLE!

Christians follow JESUS
CHRIST ians get it?>

Jesus said keep the commandments
why dont you follow JEsus?

Liek JEsus said

You know not what spirit YOU are of.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Bible reader Bible believer and Bible follower
is that what you are?

Did you ever READ the whole Bible?

then
Why are you not following it?

No where in the Bible does it say to root our anyone
what apostate religion are you?

 

[crossnote]

I hope that when you tell them the truth of the Gospel you tell it as Jesus did in John 4. Before telling the woman about the Gospel--"I am He", He sought to tear down the barriers of prejudice (If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and He would have given you living water) and brought out and dealt with the woman's personal issues (Go and call your husband). If you bluntly proclaim the Gospel and strengthen prejudice instead of tearing it down, that's just fundamentalism speaking out.

'bluntly proclaim the gospel and strengthen prejudice'?

Why can't I just bluntly tell the Gospel without strengthening prejudice? Does the Gospel bluntly preached create prejudice? If so, how so?

 

[jag1977]

fundamentalist...I would love to meet a fundamentalist in person eye to eye face to face and shake the fundamentalist's hand. Oh yeah, that's right, I cannot. The fundamentalist understanding of the fundamentalist cannot exist. Fundamentalist work in literal interpretation of words however fundamentalist itself by definition is up for interpretation. I cannot put a fundamentalist in a wheelbarrow and push it around because the word is not a noun it describes a noun by ones perception of that noun over a given period of time. Anyone have any scripture containing this word?

 

[crossnote]

1 Corinthians 1:23-24 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

The preaching of the Gospel transcends cultural, racial, ethnic, economic even religious differences and concludes all under sin heading for hell until they place their faith in God's Son who gave Himself unto death for their sins. The only prejudice shown would be witholding the Truth of the Gospel from any particular group.
Sugar coating the message is wrong as many liberal, emergents, and church growth proponents do.

 

[Alligator]

The bad thing about fundamentalism is its unforgiving attitude towards those who don't believe as they do. When they exclude others from God's blessing on the basis of difference, that is bad. The attitude should be: we are both fallible human beings capable of making mistakes. But this I believe, let's discuss it.

But how do you know they are unforgiving? I strongly disagree with the gay lifestyle, but
that doesn't mean I hate days. Liberals often use this as an excuse to bash conservatives.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is a line of thinking, logical and fundamental. Jesus was not Greek. The name, Jesus, is a twice transliterated word from Hebrew, and it means Salvation,. This is in line with what the angel told Mary, that she should call His name, Salvation, for He shall save His people.

It is true, Salvation was of the lineage of Judah, thus in this sense a Jew, however He is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. Abraham was promised his descendants would possess the Gate of their enemies! That Gate can only be Yeshua, Salvation.

Let us proceed a bit further. With the above in mind, this does not make a disciple a Jew, not necessarily. It does not make a dsciple of Yeshua, Salvation, an Israeli either. No, anyone who fundamentally believes the Word, as I believe I do, whould be of the faith of Abraham. Yeshua, that is, Salvation referred to the sons of Abraham, also to the faith of Abraham.

Now, were you truly fundamental, you would research two words, Judah and Israel. Now to the astonishment of all, whoever truly believes Yeshua, Salvation, is also, but by translation, of Judah and of Israel, and why not? We await the capital of the spiritual Israel to be bought down from Yahweh, that being New Jerusalem.

I am by no means saying Christians are not disciples of the Messiah. What I am saying is, logic can be whimsical, yet revealing. Be certain there are shells in that shotgun before defending a theology of mankind with it.

 

[ji]

How do WE root it OUT?

How about Hitler how he rooted out Jews?
MAybe you could gas us

how about Romans how they rooted out disciples
the crucified them

how about like Klu lux klan
they burned tham and castrated them
that ought to get rid of all those who dont believe just like you

Satan is here in person I see.

Have you ever been persecuted for Christ's sake?

 

[ji]

But how do you know they are unforgiving? I strongly disagree with the gay lifestyle, but
that doesn't mean I hate days. Liberals often use this as an excuse to bash conservatives.

you have a point there...

 

[Dan_473]

Please specify the passages.

sure thing... some examples...

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.

Luke 11:37ff Jesus pronounces woes on Pharisees (as a group, according to translations I've seen), says they are foolish, and then proceeds to 'insult' the experts in the law...

 

[crossnote]

sure thing... some examples...

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.

Luke 11:37ff Jesus pronounces woes on Pharisees (as a group, according to translations I've seen), says they are foolish, and then proceeds to 'insult' the experts in the law...

and just to name a few by sweet loving tolerant Jesus..

Matthew 23:13, 16-17, 24-25, 27, 33 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[Dan_473]

Honestly, even if I were leading a church, I would want some control over who has the mic because you'd have to safeguard the weak. But we could hold certain meetings of the nature where everyone could speak. Admittedly, the spiritual maturity you speak of is very rare.

The everyday practice I am thinking of would be on a more personal level of accepting people of variant beliefs and seeking to tear down prejudice.

I'm not really understanding you, here... how would safeguarding the weak work without rejecting some people or groups? On a personal level, what does accepting people of variant beliefs look like? If you 'had a key' to the church building, would you invite some Jehovah's Witnesses (or, if you are a JW, a trinitarian) to come speak... or would you 'pre-judge' them to have nothing edifying to add to your fellowship?

In a broader sense, tho, having read some of your posts that followed mine, it sounds perhaps like you would like more respectful dialogue between religions and sects... no 'mean-talking'... maybe? ... I could certainly see that... like the 'no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth... only what's good for edification of the hearers Eph 4:29, working from memory... so, when talking about the JW's above, say, I could say that many JW's I've talked to seem to have a sincere desire for seeking God...

 

[CWJ]

“Fundamentalists draw clear distinctions between themselves, as true believers, and others, convinced that they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil. Fundamentalists are militant in fighting against any challenge to their beliefs. They are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal or even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda. There are three words that characterize fundamentalism: rigidity, domination, and exclusion.”
- Jimmy Carter


The Fundamentalism that is spoken of here is pretty common in current Christianity. How do we root it out?

Hello Gamlet,

Someone asked me once if I was a fundamentalist, and I said 'Yes', for I believed that a fundamentalist was one who believed God's word in it's entirety. Those you describe do not sound like any believer in the Lord Jesus Christ that I have ever known.

There is extremism in all religion.
It is religion that kills and makes war.

Walk away from religion, and come into Christ.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with the Son, through the Spirit.
We are individuals, who stand before God, in Christ.