Chubbena, I am NOT HOLY.... And if you were God would witness with power that you are. If I say WE ARE ALREADY HOLY, I mean we are complete and exactly like the saints that are perfected in Eph 4:11 to 13. I am speaking hypothetical in the maaner we SHOULD BE LIKE how God teach what He does with His people.
So let us assume we are MATURE in God and that God has FINISHED His whole process on us. Let us assume we are what God makes of EVERY believer as He explains it in the Bible. I am not holy but I will speak as though we (all who are debating here in your thread ARE HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY) Although I doubt a single on is. So please forgive me if I confuse you, that is not my intention or job. Actually Satan confuses us with all kinds of lies.
Chubbena so for the purpose of the question you ask about HOLY, we will ASSUME we are already saved by God. OK! Maybe now if you reread my posts you will understand. But you do not have to, I will go through the process how we arer made holy by God ... Step by step as God gives it in His Word.
Rom 8:29...For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (we will assume we are all predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son)
Now we will use Scripture to SHOW how god makes us as holy and as perfect and as powerful as His Son who is only the FIRST OF MANY. Jesus is NOT the only holy person God ever made. ALL God predestined to be saved is made as holy AS Jesus and Father Himself here on earth... How? This is how...
Rom 8:30... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Now look at the process:
Step 1. God calls us. (called to be saints Rom 1. Saints are MOST HOLY (greek : hagios))
Step 2. God justify us. (Justification is the process of repenting, cleansing and forgiving. Part of this JUSTIFICATION is the sanctification process to SEPERATE us from evil) This is the SET APART from God.
Step 3. Glorification. Glorification means to MAKE GODLY. TO LIFT UP. To exhalt a spirit. To make HOLY/PERFECT/JESUS'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS.
So the CONFORMING us to the Image of His Son God has to do ALL three steps. And the steps END with glorification. Glorification is the moment God LIFTS YOUR SPIRIT OUT OF THE FLESH AND INTO HIM. AND HE REPLACE YOUR SPIRIT WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. THEN THIS FLESH OF YOURS IS HOLY, AND YOU ARE HOLY IN HIM. AND JESUS IS GLORIFIED IN YOU!
So it is PRETTY clear that BORN OF GOD (Born of Spirit) and Rebirth (born again) is at the END of sanctification/justification. When God has DONE ALL the previous steps Glorification is the BORN OF GOD MOMENT. The LAST thing God will EVER do for you.
Let me show you where ALL the saint spirits go the moment God glorifies them.... ALL OF THE SAINT SPIRITS are there, not one is in flesh, not one!
Col 3... If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
And look what Jesus asked the Father.... John 17... And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
And here is an example where God did it with 5000 men... Acts 4. And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:
God at work and GLORIFY JESUS IN 5000 MEN WOW!!!!! God making 5000 men PERFECTLY one as HE AND JESUS IS ONE, He makes them ALL ONE WITH HIM.... WOW!!!