AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok etenalygratful
Right so no one will have an excuse ok that is Good and i think that is correct, am i still recovering from the noah movie and my head is spinning pleas forgive for not understanding you.

SO LETS LOOK AT THIS STATEMENT NOW

no one has an excuse to this
Matthew 5:19

Matthew 5:19

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practises and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Now looking would you say no one has an excuse if they teach against the sabbath

A question for you.

Would you say no one has an excuse for sin of any kind? And are we sinnles here now? And if not. How are we STILL called Gods children?

The sabbath has been so religiousized and perverted by the church and the jews, It is no wonder people want to argue over it.. It is not what people think it is. If people understood what it truely was, I do not think there would be any arguments.

ps.. The no excuse relates to rejecting or recieving Gods proviusion for salvation, based on our knowledge we are DESERVING of condemnation. Not to particular sins.

 

[Zinzerio]

Originally Posted by danschance

1) I did say we all killed Christ when we sin, as His blood covers our sins.
2) Pontius Pilate also allowed the execution of an innocent men, so he also shares in murdering Christ.
3) Not all but certainly some Jews are clearly to blame for murdering Christ, as they were the ones who yelled "Crucify Him". The Jewish leaders clearly plotted to murder Christ.

Beyond that I have no idea why you are so concerned about this as I can prove it from scripture.
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my response was this


right ok your explanation is worthy of an reply but i don't know why and i don't know fully what went on but what i do know is this i hope it helps you.

As you know from scripture satan was walking the land and he also met up with Jesus well guess what he is also walking with other people and you and i know he still does that today.
i love you as a brother in Christ as i would not want you to fall or anybody that is the worst possible a christian could is wish someone dead so i will not do that,

this is not a race for me to be in heaven before anyone else and to honest with you if someones harms my family or my loved ones i help and i take them under my wing and i don't throw them into a pit, but sadly dan when people attack other people with racism that is what will happen some people may survive and strug it of but if people keep attacking that person or people they could fall, but if they the love of God this is not likely to happen,

recognizing that it is god who gives you the grace and it is God who keeps the enemy from your door and also your brothers door by loving them is what every christian should adere to for there brothers and sister to and that is love not hate.

if we attack the jews and blame the Jews we are not better than the Jews who attacked Jesus,
Ifwe love the Jews and pray them over thiss passove festiavl and everyone then maybe the world might be a better place for a while.

I am very weak right now pleas pray for me.
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does anyone remember me writing not last night but the night befor ?

when i was writing i had just come back from the noah movie it 12 am midnight as i started to write i started to get very week i had been feeling week all day but at this point i started to get faint and my heart was racing.

my hands where shaking and i almost passing out . my wife wanted to rush me to hospital because i had a mild heart problem a few months ago,

But i did not want to leave until i had finished writing this post, and a soon as i had finished writing it i was rushed to the hospital from my very upset wife, i have only just started to recover and i have been lieing in bed since.

by time i had got to the hospital which was only 5 minutes a way i had no feeling around my top lip i had very shaky hands and i could not walk properly and my hands where very shaky. the presure build in my head as only just eased off.

I will worship the farther only and the farther even if it leads to my death.

when the farther says keep my commands and dont mock like the jews do that is what i will do.

 

[Vaudeville]

If people wish to believe revised history, and most seem to do this today, they will.

Had Yeshua or His disciples taught the Jews in any other language than their own and the language of the writings, that would have been cause for the Pharisees to ridicule and condemn them. Even today in Temples around the world, the Torah is read in Hebrew.

I was reading today how Jesus spoke and taught in Greek. Of course this was from a Greek Orthodox website. He did not speak or teach Torah in any language but Hebrew/Aramaic. It would have been cause for condemnation. All one need do is think for a moment.

your claim was that no one would have spoken Christ's name in greek. absolutley false.

Hellenistic Judaism was a form of Judaism in the ancient world that combined Jewish religious tradition with elements of Greek culture. Until the fall of the Roman Empire and the Muslim conquests of the Eastern Mediterranean, the main centers of Hellenistic Judaism were Alexandria (Egypt) and Antioch (Northern Syria—now Turkey), the two main Greek urban settlements of the Middle East and North Africa area, both founded at the end of the 4th century BCE in the wake of the conquests of Alexander the Great. Hellenistic Judaism also existed in Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period, where there was conflict between Hellenizers and traditionalists (sometimes called Judaizers).

The major literary product of the contact of Second Temple Judaism and Hellenistic culture is the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible from Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Aramaic to Koiné Greek, specifically, Jewish Koiné Greek.

 

[Vaudeville]

Even today in Temples around the world, the Torah is read in Hebrew.

and what is your point? do you believe God ordained the new testament would be recorded in greek, or not? do you believe the inspired new testament writers referred to the greek version of the hebrew scriptures (lxx)? was this God's decision? why do you suppose he decided to do that?

 

[JaumeJ]

Ahh! Once more the art of bait and switch. We are discussing the language used in teaching Jews at the time of Yeshua. It was Hebrew/Aramaic. As for the New Testament being written originally in Greek, well, people have taught that since it was first compiled long after the Apostles....... Please stay on the subject. If you wish to declare God ordained Greek for the New Testament, fine, start a new thread.

and what is your point? do you believe God ordained the new testament would be recorded in greek, or not? do you believe the inspired new testament writers referred to the greek version of the hebrew scriptures (lxx)? was this God's decision? why do you suppose he decided to do that?

 

[Zinzerio]

A question for you.

Would you say no one has an excuse for sin of any kind? And are we sinnles here now? And if not. How are we STILL called Gods children?

The sabbath has been so religiousized and perverted by the church and the jews, It is no wonder people want to argue over it.. It is not what people think it is. If people understood what it truely was, I do not think there would be any arguments.

ps.. The no excuse relates to rejecting or recieving Gods proviusion for salvation, based on our knowledge we are DESERVING of condemnation. Not to particular sins.

you highlighted there can be no excuse, in Romans 1 (did you not ?) obviously if you want to know the farther then that would imply you would want to follow him to, (that means keeping hid word) so there it is if you keep his word then there is no excuse is there.

If you don't keep his word the farther will examine your heart as quoted in the old testement.

Jeremiah 17:10


The Sin and Punishment of Judah
…9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? 10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds. 11"As a partridge that hatches eggs which it has not laid, So is he who makes a fortune, but unjustly; In the midst of his days it will forsake him, And in the end he will be a fool."

So from this we know the farther examines the heart and judges according to his deeds (works).

Now it a christians responsibiliy also to snatch your brother out of the fire and this done by speaking Jesuses word.
I have done this for you and everyone now you all know its upto you what you want to do with it.

I can forgive you and i can forgive everyone who trespasses against me.
I can also be lost until i become found because the lord wants all to be saved.
If one stays a rotten egg all his life and does not come back to the lord im not responsible for that.
I truly believe that at some point in every bodies life the lord will try to reach you even if you or anyone don't come to these places or even if they have not received is word. This i feel the farther can reach anyone in many ways the farther can reach people through friends through a movie through an inspirational moment. God bless

 

[Vaudeville]

Ahh! Once more the art of bait and switch. We are discussing the language used in teaching Jews at the time of Yeshua. It was Hebrew/Aramaic. As for the New Testament being written originally in Greek, well, people have taught that since it was first compiled long after the Apostles....... Please stay on the subject. If you wish to declare God ordained Greek for the New Testament, fine, start a new thread.

Jesus Christ is what the King James authorized. He who conquers gets to write the history. It is not the name He heard in His ear when He walked on earth. He was a Jew, and a rabbi, and kept the law of His father, just not the added rabbinical law, and He is King of the Jews, as witnessed by the sign on the tree.

While Yeshua walked His earth He would have heard all calling Him, Yeshua or ישוע.

your claim was that no one would have spoken Christ's name in greek. absolutley false.

Hellenistic Judaism was a form of Judaism in the ancient world that combined Jewish religious tradition with elements of Greek culture. Until the fall of the Roman Empire and the Muslim conquests of the Eastern Mediterranean, the main centers of Hellenistic Judaism were Alexandria (Egypt) and Antioch (Northern Syria—now Turkey), the two main Greek urban settlements of the Middle East and North Africa area, both founded at the end of the 4th century BCE in the wake of the conquests of Alexander the Great. Hellenistic Judaism also existed in Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period, where there was conflict between Hellenizers and traditionalists (sometimes called Judaizers).

The major literary product of the contact of Second Temple Judaism and Hellenistic culture is the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible from Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Aramaic to Koiné Greek, specifically, Jewish Koiné Greek.

Ahh! Once more the art of bait and switch.

We are discussing the language used in teaching Jews at the time of Yeshua. It was Hebrew/Aramaic. As for the New Testament being written originally in Greek, well, people have taught that since it was first compiled long after the Apostles....... Please stay on the subject. If you wish to declare God ordained Greek for the New Testament, fine, start a new thread.

why should i start a new thread?
the subject i was responding to was the false assertion that Jesus would not have heard his name in any language other than hebrew. you added the part about him teaching.

greek was not only a common language in the region at the time, the apostles referred to the greek version of the hebrew scriptures (LXX) wrritten hundreds of years before Jesus was born.

many hebrews who gathered at jerusalem were GREEK SPEAKERS from birth.

Jesus would have heard his name spoken in many languages during his lifetime, including greek. please do stay on topic, or at least aknowledge the subject even as you have revised it.

would Jesus have heard Christos in greek, or not? is this unthinkable for you? how small your god is. christos is merely anointed one in the greek language. your bias is showing, and it is unbiblical and opposed to the plan of God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is what you stated, "and what is your point? do you believe God ordained the new testament would be recorded in greek, or not? do you believe the inspired new testament writers referred to the greek version of the hebrew scriptures (lxx)? was this God's decision? why do you suppose he decided to do that? "

From your post to which the reply was, a change of topicv. Do not have the truth in front of you, and call it a lie. You are not done as far as I cam concerned. I will not have you twisting what I mean, that is the work of an enemy. You figure the rest. This is not the first time you have done this.

 

[And]

If you dont get born again and keep the ten commandments in love you are a dead man
and the devil will laugh and laugh and ;laugh.

 

[john832]

If you dont get born again and keep the ten commandments in love you are a dead man
and the devil will laugh and laugh and ;laugh.

And if you are converted and don't keep the Ten Commandments, the Devil will laugh and laugh and laugh.

 

[loveme1]

If you have Faith in the Messiah and Keep the Commandments of GOD then you are a Saint.

The Bible tells us so.

 

[john832]

If you have Faith in the Messiah and Keep the Commandments of GOD then you are a Saint.

The Bible tells us so.

However, please put on the armour of God if you keep the Commandments...

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Now if you don't keep the Commandments, maybe you won't need it.

 

[phil112]

.........................Now if you don't keep the Commandments, maybe you won't need it.

I have no need of any commandments but the two Christ gave me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you highlighted there can be no excuse, in Romans 1 (did you not ?) obviously if you want to know the farther then that would imply you would want to follow him to, (that means keeping hid word) so there it is if you keep his word then there is no excuse is there.

Sigh....

This is talking about eternal destiny, Not what we do here on earth. Your context is all off.

If you don't keep his word the farther will examine your heart as quoted in the old testement.

Jeremiah 17:10


The Sin and Punishment of Judah
…9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? 10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds. 11"As a partridge that hatches eggs which it has not laid, So is he who makes a fortune, but unjustly; In the midst of his days it will forsake him, And in the end he will be a fool."

So from this we know the farther examines the heart and judges according to his deeds (works).

Now it a christians responsibiliy also to snatch your brother out of the fire and this done by speaking Jesuses word.
I have done this for you and everyone now you all know its upto you what you want to do with it.

I can forgive you and i can forgive everyone who trespasses against me.
I can also be lost until i become found because the lord wants all to be saved.
If one stays a rotten egg all his life and does not come back to the lord im not responsible for that.
I truly believe that at some point in every bodies life the lord will try to reach you even if you or anyone don't come to these places or even if they have not received is word. This i feel the farther can reach anyone in many ways the farther can reach people through friends through a movie through an inspirational moment. God bless

A person not born again can keep his word 100 fold. and still would be lost forever separated from God.

We can not keep his word in a means which he demands, which is perfect. Thats why we are cursed by the law. Thats why the law must be set aside, or NON of us have any hope. but only a fearful expectation of what we deserve.

People trying to place us back under law do not understand the law. And how it condemns them (oh yeah, they may say they do but they do not, or they would not try to put us back under it) if they did understand the law. they would realise NO MAN OR WOMAN has EVER BEEN GOOD ENOUGH to EARN GODS FORGIVENESS.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

However, please put on the armour of God if you keep the Commandments...
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You have it backwards,

The armor of God helps us keep the things God desires us to do. It is not doing the things God desires us to do which allows us to put on this armor.

It is not about you and YOUR POWER.(like your trying to portray) it is about GOD EMPOWERING US.

 

[Zinzerio]

If you have Faith in the Messiah and Keep the Commandments of GOD then you are a Saint.

The Bible tells us so.

Howdy doody The question is now how long can you stay a saint ? that is the Question and i think that is a goal that can only be achieved with the help of God and the help of other saints.
Like if your only around saints who want this as much a you, then there is a Good chance your not going to be corrupted.

If your a round corruptible behavior with the children who are of the devil there is a good chance they will drag you to hell with them. (be on guard always and keep opinions to your self in a place like this that can not happen.

Now this is a problem because why should children of God be silent as to not speak. ? so lets look at silence from the lord.

Isaiah 53:7 this is prophesy about Jesus.
The Suffering Servant

4Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

6All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. 7He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. 8By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?

A time to keep silence, and a time to speak.

Ecclesiastes 3:7


[SUP]7 [/SUP] a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,





Let's choose to watch our words that we may be counted as wise, and may be able to speak uplifting words to our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

I herd a quote the other day from someone. he said how do i tell people they will go to hell if they dont love Jesus. ?
(this is the problem yes ) nobody likes to be told they will go to hell.

And if one mentions it become like you or me are a judgmental person,

but how cross is God going to be if you did not try to save that sinners sole, i will show you.
James 5:19-20

[SUP]19 [/SUP]My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, [SUP]20 [/SUP]remember this: whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.



so Let's choose to watch our words that we may be counted as wise, and may be able to speak uplifting words to our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.


Let's choose to watch our words that we may be counted as wise, and may be able to speak uplifting words to our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. and not be a stumbling block it is not our job to tell strangers they will go to hell.
it is our job to be silent and guard ore hearts and speak in love, some people have the lord in them and they don't even know it there good people and they care for people but they begin realize that they do have the lord in them.

The people of lord have no problem talking about hell, the people not of the lord take it as insult so one must be careful,
because the lord say in the bible do not argue with newcomers beliefs it says not to get involved, and this is for two reasons 1 to protect you and number 2 to protect them also. ? i show look here.

Romans 15:7

Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.


John 6:37

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

I will leave with this


1 John 3:15

Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

 

[Zinzerio]

And if i may add that if one just keeps doing Good the bad will see there shame anyway.

 

[And]

Second Question now is this they where told to obey the commandments which included the sabbath day so could a spiritual sacrifice actually be a day in private with the lord a day you keep holy and a day you don't have any fowl language ?

...............NO

 

[And]

It is the day of the covenant that the whole universe keeps at the same time, it is a family event.

 

[And]

Let's [ut t this way

you are on dialysis
it takes three hours

you are scheduled for saturday 9 am each week

try coming in on sunday and see what happens

humanity is scheduled for a one heart one soul meeting 9 am saturday morning
be there or be dirty...