Premarital Sex

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Phoenix

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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" Jeremiah 17:9.
You see because of this scripture for it is the Word of God I see that all of men's hearts are wicked above all things.
"as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;" Romans 3:10

You see we can judge how a person is before God by His Word as we see that there is no one righteous.
The Point I want to make is what people say things like. We cannot judge someone because God says not to judge. We cannot judge a person but by God's Word and Standard we can.
 
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Slepsog4 said:
Are you saying that ignorance or stupidity is an excuse?
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Yes. While the gravity of the act is objectively the same, sincere ignorance of its immorality can lessen, or even negate his culpability.
 
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Yes. While the gravity of the act is objectively the same, sincere ignorance of its immorality can lessen, or even negate his culpability.
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Like your ignorance that drinking liquor is sinful according to scripture?
 
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watchmen said:
Like your ignorance that drinking liquor is sinful according to scripture?
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Heh, that's probably not the best example to use because on that issue I think you're the one who's in ignorance. But for the sake of argument, yes, that's what I'm getting at.
 
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I'd like to know what strange foreign Bible that Watchmen's been reading so that I can avoid it.
 
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Brackenzee said:
I'd like to know what strange foreign Bible that Watchmen's been reading so that I can avoid it.
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I think it's the Koran and the Watchtower stapled together.
 
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ariannaaa

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I disagree. I need not see his heart I can see by his fruit he is no Christian, if I keep silent with this knowledge, then he will not know of his need for repentance and his blood will therefore be on my hands. Not only is it ok to tell brackenzee of his need for true repentance, but it is mandatory that I do so.

Ezekiel 33
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


You may think it is politically or religiously correct to sit quietly and not tell anyone whether or not they are truly saved or not, but I will not have this man's blood on my hands. The Bible has given us guide line to which we can know who is in need of repentance and who may not be, and backenzee is in need of repentance.
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Please reread the verse you gave again. It does not say that you have the right to judge whether or not someone is a Christian. Whether a particular action is sinful or not-sure. We have that type of discernment. But God has not granted us with the discernment to read into one another's relationship with the Lord...

"Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself." -Rom 2:1

"Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor living preference to one another." -Rom 12:10

"And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." - 2 Tim 2:24-26
 
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watchmen said:
Like your ignorance that drinking liquor is sinful according to scripture?
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Heh, that's probably not the best example to use because on that issue I think you're the one who's in ignorance. But for the sake of argument, yes, that's what I'm getting at.
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There are more than enough scriptures to prove that we should not be drinking strong drink if you need me to post them I will.
 
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Premarital sex is an Abomination.
Homosexual sex is an ABOMINATION.
 
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watchmen said:
There are more than enough scriptures to prove that we should not be drinking strong drink if you need me to post them I will.
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No thanks, I've already seen enough teetotal arguments, and their counter arguments, to be thoroughly convinced that alcohol is fine. People insisting that our Lord made 'grape juice' at the wedding is evidence enough to me that the Christian anti-drink brigade are mistaken.
 
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ariannaaa said:
Please reread the verse you gave again. It does not say that you have the right to judge whether or not someone is a Christian. Whether a particular action is sinful or not-sure. We have that type of discernment. But God has not granted us with the discernment to read into one another's relationship with the Lord...

"Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself." -Rom 2:1
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You are the one taking scripture out of context, this scripture does not tell us that we cannot tell if someone is truly saved or no,t it is telling us not to judge people for doing the same things we are doing.

Romans 2
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?


It seems like you purposely hid this truth as you didn't even post the last portion of Romans 2:. did you purposely take that verse out of context refusing to even finish the verse to make it say something it doesn't?
"Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor living preference to one another." -Rom 12:10

"And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." - 2 Tim 2:24-26
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It is not unkind or unloving to tell someone who falsely believes themself to be saved that they are not and need to repent. What is unloving, and unkind is turning a blind eye as they continue on their way towards Hell.
 
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Maddog said:
No thanks, I've already seen enough teetotal arguments, and their counter arguments, to be thoroughly convinced that alcohol is fine. People insisting that our Lord made 'grape juice' at the wedding is evidence enough to me that the Christian anti-drink brigade are mistaken.
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I am talking about strong drink like the liquor you admit to drinking, not wine or beer.
 
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watchmen said:
I am talking about strong drink like the liquor you admit to drinking, not wine or beer.
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Wine is okay, so is beer, but a gin and tonic is not? What about fortified wine?

Anyway, you have a degree of interest from me now, so go ahead.
 
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Phoenix

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Maddog said:
I think it's the Koran and the Watchtower stapled together.
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no my friend he is reading the bible as i am.
read the bible and study it more before you make claims
 
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Maddog said:
Wine is okay, so is beer, but a gin and tonic is not? What about fortified wine?

Anyway, you have a degree of interest from me now, so go ahead.
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Well i personally do not drink at all, but if someone has one beer or one glass of wine with the dinner or when they get home from work I guess that could be ok, but any type or amount of liquor is wrong, and anything over two especially over three beers or cups of wine is sin. The Bible is clear we are not to be drunk on wine ect... but filled with the Spirit of God.
 
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Brackenzee said:
I'd like to know what strange foreign Bible that Watchmen's been reading so that I can avoid it.
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The KJV, and yes you do what to avoid it, because the truth is foreign to you. If you knew the truth you might have to conform to it, and that is obviously something you don;t want to do.
 
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Maddog

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watchmen said:
Well i personally do not drink at all, but if someone has one beer or one glass of wine with the dinner or when they get home from work I guess that could be ok, but any type or amount of liquor is wrong, and anything over two especially over three beers or cups of wine is sin. The Bible is clear we are not to be drunk on wine ect... but filled with the Spirit of God.
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If we're talking about drunkeness being wrong, be assured I believe that it is. But everyone has different levels of tolerance to alcohol. Some are clearly over their limit after a sip of shandy, but others can drink all night and it hardly affect them. It's not the amount, it's how it affects each individual that matters.
 
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...I love the way Watchmen says that I'm afraid of the truth, yet he specifies that he reads the KJV version of the Bible as if that gives him a special claim to rightness.
 
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This is one very touchy subject for a lot of Christians. The World says that sex outside of marriage is okay, that as long as they are committed to each other whats the big deal, right?


We would all like to make the rules work in our favor so that our world would not have to conform to what the religious people are telling you.


To be a Christian is to follow the teachings of Christ, Jesus Christ, so we find out what would Jesus do?We find out by studying His Word, The Bible. What you will find is the following scripture.


Matthew 5:27-28 (NKJV)
“You have heard that it was said to those of old,You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


Jesus is saying that when you just think about having sex with a woman (or man) who is not your husband or wife, that is the same as doing it, it a sin plain and simple.


That is pretty clear cut, don't think about it, don't do it, God knows your mind and your heart. Whether you choose to follow the World or the Word, each of us will stand alone in front of God on Judgement Day, I won't be there with you, YOU must choose which path YOU will follow.
 
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Brackenzee said:
...I love the way Watchmen says that I'm afraid of the truth, yet he specifies that he reads the KJV version of the Bible.
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You asked and I answered. You have a problem with the word of God?
 
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