In response to you, and in reference to my own post to which you refer, there are not degrees in error. Just as with the law, if one is guilty of breaking any one of the laws, even the least, he is guilty of breaking all of the law. When any theology departs from what is taught in the Word by the Holy Spirit, it is wrong, and any damage caused by it is eternal. My faith is the faith of Abraham. I believe Jesus Christ. I am not perfect, thus I require the grace afforded by His Prcious Blood more than anyone. Yes, any cult requiing its own name in order to distinguish itself from other theologies is a cult because it has rendered itself a religion above and beyond the Word by virtue of the fact it has interpretations of man which oppose other named theologies, which in turn have becom religions...cults.
Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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One that ignores all those verses that clearly say he kept Yahweh's Law.
Acts 24:14, "14 But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
believing not observing....
shawmah
I believe Jesus should be followed.
Do you follow Him?
No! I just said I believe!...
This next passage is concerning Shaul, it states clearly.
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
New International Version
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
English Standard Version
take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.
New American Standard Bible
take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.
King James Bible
Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
This translation may be terrible or may be great, I have never read it to say.
But are you suggesting that just because a translator translated not according to common practice (brought on by the Pharisees I have to ass) but rather translates true to the manuscript and true to the creator, actually using His name instead of hiding it they are cult and wrong?
Im asking, not stating.
But are you suggesting that just because a translator translated not according to common practice (brought on by the Pharisees I have to ass) but rather translates true to the manuscript and true to the creator, actually using His name instead of hiding it they are cult and wrong?
Im asking, not stating.
Isayah 42:8, "I am Yahweh, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
Holman Christian Standard Bible - Preface
"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."
Holman Christian Standard Bible - Preface
"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."
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If the insert Hebrew words, willy nilly I would assume it is no longer a translation. It is a paraphrase at best and trash in my opinion. Maybe I should go thru Shakespeare's work and change the names so it sounds more American? Instead of Romeo and Juliette I will change it to Fred and Sue. Translating the bible and changing names is equally dumb.
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The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2
Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. " Galatians 1:6-9
One of the main dangers with cults is that they attempt to masquerade as the real thing. It's easy to spot way out wacky ones like Heaven's Gate and the Rev. Sun Yung Moon, but the really tough ones to spot are the ones that hijack the bible and use much of the same terminology as you would find in the bible. Excellent examples of this being the Mormons, the Jehovahs Witness, the Seventh Day Adventists, and others. But as we have previously reported, the Hebrew Roots movement, which is neither Christian nor Herbrew, has appeared on the scene preaching the "other gospel" that the Apostle Paul warned so strongly and passionately for us to watch out for and to avoid. In fact, the Hebrew Roots people make no bones about their contempt for the Apostle Paul and his teachings given him by inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
Another gospel
It is astonishing to me that any group could so strongly hate Paul, yet claim that they follow the bible. Indeed, if you were to remove the Apostle Paul's writings from New Testament, you would be left with the gospels and precious little else. Out of the 27 books of the New Testament, Paul wrote a certified 13 of them, and the book of Hebrews which while it does not give authorship, many like myself believe that he wrote that one as well. So roughly 55% of the entire New Testament is authored by Paul, and it would be wise to listen to what God the Holy Spirit has spoken through him.
Hating the Apostle Paul yet teaching the bible...really?
There is a group out of Newport Beach, California, called Last Trumpet Org Ministires, and they are one of the leading groups attempting to delegitimize the Apostle Paul, and while they may be the most overt, they are not alone in this thinking. Other groups, like El Shaddai started by Mark Blitz, also slam the Christian church. One thing you need very much to keep in mind is that the Hebrew Roots movement - while the claim the name of Jesus - are not Christian and in fact are anti-christian. This is the danger of following these cults. Their aim is not to teach you the bible, it is to drag you back to before the cross and place the yoke of the Law, the Torah, around your neck after Christ has freed you from it.
The following is taken directly from the Last Trumpet website, and says this:
"Pastor Mark Biltz and I both in agreement that the foolish virgins of Matthew 25 are ALL the Sunday churches. It's very obvious if you know your scriptures and understand Torah terminology. The Sunday churches, meet on Sunday, they do not meet on the appointed Saturday Sabbath, they don't keep the appointed Feasts of the Lord (Leviticus 23), they teach people away from the need for "being Torah observant," (the instructions of God) , claiming they are not under the law any more. They celebrate Christmas which is the pagan sun god holiday, the birth of the sun. Jesus was born on Sukkoth and this can be easily proven from Scriptures. Now all Christians cite Paul as the reason why they do what they do. Paul is "the spoutter of lies" which is what James calls Paul in letters found with the Dead Sea scrolls. This work found by Dr. Robert Eisenman an expert on this subject of letters found with the dead sea scrolls and wrote an exhaustive book on the subject titled James, the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Also attached is a PDF by Pastor Mark Biltz proving who the foolish virgins are of Matthew 25. We had been in dialog on the subject and I wanted to know if thought ALL the Sunday churches are the foolish virgins of Matthew 25. Pastor Mark is in agreement with me that ALL the Sunday churches are the foolish virgins of Matthew 25 and sent me back the attached PDF as a study that he wrote. Everyone needs to get out of the Sunday churches are they are going to be judged." source - Last Trumpet
From The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2 - Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul
Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. " Galatians 1:6-9
One of the main dangers with cults is that they attempt to masquerade as the real thing. It's easy to spot way out wacky ones like Heaven's Gate and the Rev. Sun Yung Moon, but the really tough ones to spot are the ones that hijack the bible and use much of the same terminology as you would find in the bible. Excellent examples of this being the Mormons, the Jehovahs Witness, the Seventh Day Adventists, and others. But as we have previously reported, the Hebrew Roots movement, which is neither Christian nor Herbrew, has appeared on the scene preaching the "other gospel" that the Apostle Paul warned so strongly and passionately for us to watch out for and to avoid. In fact, the Hebrew Roots people make no bones about their contempt for the Apostle Paul and his teachings given him by inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
Another gospel
It is astonishing to me that any group could so strongly hate Paul, yet claim that they follow the bible. Indeed, if you were to remove the Apostle Paul's writings from New Testament, you would be left with the gospels and precious little else. Out of the 27 books of the New Testament, Paul wrote a certified 13 of them, and the book of Hebrews which while it does not give authorship, many like myself believe that he wrote that one as well. So roughly 55% of the entire New Testament is authored by Paul, and it would be wise to listen to what God the Holy Spirit has spoken through him.
Hating the Apostle Paul yet teaching the bible...really?
There is a group out of Newport Beach, California, called Last Trumpet Org Ministires, and they are one of the leading groups attempting to delegitimize the Apostle Paul, and while they may be the most overt, they are not alone in this thinking. Other groups, like El Shaddai started by Mark Blitz, also slam the Christian church. One thing you need very much to keep in mind is that the Hebrew Roots movement - while the claim the name of Jesus - are not Christian and in fact are anti-christian. This is the danger of following these cults. Their aim is not to teach you the bible, it is to drag you back to before the cross and place the yoke of the Law, the Torah, around your neck after Christ has freed you from it.
The following is taken directly from the Last Trumpet website, and says this:
"Pastor Mark Biltz and I both in agreement that the foolish virgins of Matthew 25 are ALL the Sunday churches. It's very obvious if you know your scriptures and understand Torah terminology. The Sunday churches, meet on Sunday, they do not meet on the appointed Saturday Sabbath, they don't keep the appointed Feasts of the Lord (Leviticus 23), they teach people away from the need for "being Torah observant," (the instructions of God) , claiming they are not under the law any more. They celebrate Christmas which is the pagan sun god holiday, the birth of the sun. Jesus was born on Sukkoth and this can be easily proven from Scriptures. Now all Christians cite Paul as the reason why they do what they do. Paul is "the spoutter of lies" which is what James calls Paul in letters found with the Dead Sea scrolls. This work found by Dr. Robert Eisenman an expert on this subject of letters found with the dead sea scrolls and wrote an exhaustive book on the subject titled James, the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Also attached is a PDF by Pastor Mark Biltz proving who the foolish virgins are of Matthew 25. We had been in dialog on the subject and I wanted to know if thought ALL the Sunday churches are the foolish virgins of Matthew 25. Pastor Mark is in agreement with me that ALL the Sunday churches are the foolish virgins of Matthew 25 and sent me back the attached PDF as a study that he wrote. Everyone needs to get out of the Sunday churches are they are going to be judged." source - Last Trumpet
From The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2 - Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul
Hizikyah, I see you have a quote in your above post where someone makes reference to Hebrew words being inserted "willy nilly."
I wonder just how many folks are aware of how many words there are in the entire Word that are Hebrew words that are anglicized?
Most are proper nouns, of course, but people do ot realize they are usually groups of Hebrew words put together. One of my favorites is Bethlehem, or Beit Lechem. Translated it means House of Bread, and what better name for the birthplace of the Bread from Heaven?
People will make fools of themselves when pride comes before understanding.
I wonder just how many folks are aware of how many words there are in the entire Word that are Hebrew words that are anglicized?
Most are proper nouns, of course, but people do ot realize they are usually groups of Hebrew words put together. One of my favorites is Bethlehem, or Beit Lechem. Translated it means House of Bread, and what better name for the birthplace of the Bread from Heaven?
People will make fools of themselves when pride comes before understanding.
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Now, before you jump all over me, I quoted what this man said transpired in his conversation with Mark Biltz. If this didn't happen, or it's not true, blame him not me. But I did go directly to the Last Trumpet website for the quote. Now, to be perfectly honest, what I found on the El Shaddai website, written by Biltz himself, is more than enough information to make my case.
Mark Biltz seeks to "straighten out the Christians"
Now people have approached me saying that Mark Blitz is a "good guy" with incredible insight to bible prophecy. I wonder how good his insight is if he thinks that Sunday church attendance qualifies you as one of the "foolish virgins" of the Tribulation. His group is one of many in the Hebrew Roots community that minimize the teachings of the Apostle Paul, or at the very least say they should be taken with a grain of salt. This is very, very dangerous teaching, my beloved in Christ, and the whole purpose of it is to make you doubt the New Testament, and to get you to believe in "another gospel", as the bible so clearly warns us would happen in the last days. His attack is all the more deadly because it's subtle. He is trying to sow seeds of doubt in your faith in the New Testament with a "yea, hath God said?" approach.
In Mark Blitz's own words, he states that Christians don't really know Jesus and that don't really know the bible, and in doing so allows us to peek behind the curtain into what the real goals of his group as well as all Hebrew Roots groups is - destroying the Church. Here is Mark quoted directly from his website:
"My goal is not to convert Jews to Christianity but to bring non-Jews to a better understanding of YHVH through a better understanding of Torah. I think most Christians do not know YHVH as He really is but know Him as they have tried to create Him in their image rather than understanding they were created in His image. Many Christians believe they have a relationship with YHVH but they don't.
The time is coming when the Jewish people will recognize the role Yeshua played and they will then fulfill their mission in taking Torah to the nations. They will straighten out the Christians theology in what Yeshua was really saying. There will be Christians who will be saying what can these Jews know about Yeshua when in actuality you will have the correct understanding. In Christianity as you probably know there will be an antichrist and false prophet who deceive the world." Source - Mark Blitz and El Shaddai
So Mark Biltz thinks that the bible believing Christians need to be "straightened out"? What he is really after is taking the liberty we have in Christ and replacing it with the yoke of the Law, which Jesus Himself took off of our backs. This is, without a doubt,the "other gospel" that Paul warned against, get involved with these people at your own peril. Make no mistake, the followers of Jesus Christ, according to the bible, are Christians, and Mark Blitz is very much anti-christian both by things he has said and by his associations. In the quote of Biltz, he very frankly says that he goal is to make non-christian followers of Jesus. Now how exactly does one do that? Answer is that you cannot do that. The very term "christian", in it's most literal sense is a "follower of Jesus Christ." A non-Christian "follower of Jesus" would be like having a "vegetarian meat-eater".
From The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2 - Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul
Mark Biltz seeks to "straighten out the Christians"
Now people have approached me saying that Mark Blitz is a "good guy" with incredible insight to bible prophecy. I wonder how good his insight is if he thinks that Sunday church attendance qualifies you as one of the "foolish virgins" of the Tribulation. His group is one of many in the Hebrew Roots community that minimize the teachings of the Apostle Paul, or at the very least say they should be taken with a grain of salt. This is very, very dangerous teaching, my beloved in Christ, and the whole purpose of it is to make you doubt the New Testament, and to get you to believe in "another gospel", as the bible so clearly warns us would happen in the last days. His attack is all the more deadly because it's subtle. He is trying to sow seeds of doubt in your faith in the New Testament with a "yea, hath God said?" approach.
In Mark Blitz's own words, he states that Christians don't really know Jesus and that don't really know the bible, and in doing so allows us to peek behind the curtain into what the real goals of his group as well as all Hebrew Roots groups is - destroying the Church. Here is Mark quoted directly from his website:
"My goal is not to convert Jews to Christianity but to bring non-Jews to a better understanding of YHVH through a better understanding of Torah. I think most Christians do not know YHVH as He really is but know Him as they have tried to create Him in their image rather than understanding they were created in His image. Many Christians believe they have a relationship with YHVH but they don't.
The time is coming when the Jewish people will recognize the role Yeshua played and they will then fulfill their mission in taking Torah to the nations. They will straighten out the Christians theology in what Yeshua was really saying. There will be Christians who will be saying what can these Jews know about Yeshua when in actuality you will have the correct understanding. In Christianity as you probably know there will be an antichrist and false prophet who deceive the world." Source - Mark Blitz and El Shaddai
So Mark Biltz thinks that the bible believing Christians need to be "straightened out"? What he is really after is taking the liberty we have in Christ and replacing it with the yoke of the Law, which Jesus Himself took off of our backs. This is, without a doubt,the "other gospel" that Paul warned against, get involved with these people at your own peril. Make no mistake, the followers of Jesus Christ, according to the bible, are Christians, and Mark Blitz is very much anti-christian both by things he has said and by his associations. In the quote of Biltz, he very frankly says that he goal is to make non-christian followers of Jesus. Now how exactly does one do that? Answer is that you cannot do that. The very term "christian", in it's most literal sense is a "follower of Jesus Christ." A non-Christian "follower of Jesus" would be like having a "vegetarian meat-eater".
From The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement - Part 2 - Hatred for Christians and the Apostle Paul