The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

[Larry_Stotle]

Israel's food laws have nothing to do with health, they were a means of separting themselves from the nations:

(Lev 11:8 KJV) Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

The diet laws were part of a larger scheme of "separation":

(Eph 2:14 KJV) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

(Eph 2:15 KJV) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The diet promoters are attempting to rebuild the "wall of partition".

(Acts 10:28 KJV) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please read and understand the words of our Savior as given to the Psalmist..........

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

If you would be truly converted, learn the desires of our Maker, not the ritual or the bad laws He makes mention of, the desires of our Father, for it is the law of our Maker which converts the soul to know he needs the free gift of our Father.

As for how much of Moses we need to know. That answer is simple if one believes Yeshua, Jesus. He teaches us quite plainly that Moses and the Prophets wrote about Him. I do not believe this concept can be made more plain.

 

[Hizikyah]

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

 

[Hizikyah]

Please read and understand the words of our Savior as given to the Psalmist..........

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

If you would be truly converted, learn the desires of our Maker, not the ritual or the bad laws He makes mention of, the desires of our Father, for it is the law of our Maker which converts the soul to know he needs the free gift of our Father.

As for how much of Moses we need to know. That answer is simple if one believes Yeshua, Jesus. He teaches us quite plainly that Moses and the Prophets wrote about Him. I do not believe this concept can be made more plain.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Larry_Stotle]

Now we have the Lawyers shaking the law at us...I didn't think that would take long...

 

[Timeline]

How about the Law against murder? Would you say the same thing? It no longer applies because you are dead to it?

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” [SUP]26 [/SUP]And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]28 [/SUP]And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” [SUP]29 [/SUP]But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”....

Would you kill the neighbor that you love and for whom Jesus died? These are the commands that Jesus gave us in the New Testament. Love.


I believe Luke writes, "[SUP]28 [/SUP]“For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: [SUP]29 [/SUP]that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”"

Mark 10:18 -19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. [SUP]19 [/SUP]You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”

Luke 18:19-20 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. [SUP]20 [/SUP]You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’”

These verses do not include the whole ten commandments nor the Sabbath. However, I will go ahead and say that there is not much evidence for a switch to Sunday as "the day" we should worship, either. The church of the first century met daily.

 

[Funtastic]

Galatians 3:23-29
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If you want to see what it means to keep the commandments see Matthew 5. If you find yourself falling short of Matthew 5 then see Matthew 11:28-30

What does it mean to be under the Law? It means we are under the punishment which was death but in Christ this was broken with his sacrifice. In the Millennium we are required to keep the Sabbath so how could it be not for today?

 

[gotime]

Lets look at this logically.

Jesus said:

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Question:

1. when was the Sabbath made?
2. who was the Sabbath made for?
3. who is Lord of the Sabbath/who made it?

Answer:

1. the Sabbath was made on the 7th day after Creation. Gen 2:2,3
2. the verse above clearly shows that it was made for all mankind.
3. Jesus is the son of man He made the Sabbath and created the world. Col 1:16,17; John 1:3

So Jesus made the Sabbath and he made it for all mankind and He made it before sin came into the world.

Question why did Jesus come to earth as a human?

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Answer:

Jesus came to deal with the Devil and sin to forgive sins etc.

But we have established that the Sabbath was made before sin as seen in Genesis. Thus nothing that Jesus did was to undo or change this.

Notice even the commandment:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:






Notice we are told to "remember" the Sabbath.

Question which Sabbath are we to remember?

Answer:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The one God made before sin.

Notice we are asked to keep it Holy not make it Holy.

Question: when was it made Holy?

Answer:

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It was sanctified/made Holy on the 7th day after creation.

Thus it is clearly seen that the Sabbath commandment was given to remind of the fact that God blessed and made that day Holy before sin entered into the world.

What have wee seen here?

Jesus made the Sabbath day for mankind before the Sin came into the world. Jesus came to deal with sin and its affect which means he did not come to change the Sabbath because the Sabbath is pre-sin. Jesus did not come to change his own perfect works but to destroy the devils sinful works.

Blessings.

 

[Funtastic]

Jim Staley - Should Christians keep the Sabbath?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YJuEMUlYFY

If you all watch this it should stop you from denying it as it just makes sense.

Also a recent debate on the subject below

Jim Staley vs Chris Rosebrough - Sabbath Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzNcDU-h3M

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Read post 36 and post 38 and the respective links here and here I provided for a detailed explanation. You appear to either not comprehend what I post or are choosing to ignore it for the answer to your reply has already been given.

As I stated previously: "Now [in the new covenant] we strive toward agape love and God's holiness (rooted in his universal morality) rather than the ceremonial tenants of the Mosaic Law... an old covenant God once had with the ancient nation of Israel which Christ fulfilled and that is no longer binding. Confusing the ceremonial law of the old covenant with God's universal morality is fallacious."

This means the part of the ten commandments which contain God's universal morality also exist in the New Covenant which, of course, makes perfect sense as God's universal morality (which as I explained previously is an extension of His own holiness) never changes. The ceremonial portion (e.g. ritual Sabbath religious observance necessary for justification before God in the old covenant) is fulfilled in Christ and does not exist in the New Covenant.

The ancient Sabbath religious observance ritual has nothing to do with salvation today in the new covenant, and nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was never part of the message of the New Testament church. The message is always one of liberty, never one of restrictions on a particular day of the week. God accepts us because of Jesus Christ, not because we observe a ceremonial law of ancient Israel from the old covenant.

Read: 10 False distinctions between the 10 Commandments and the ceremonial law exposed!

Read: the respective links here and here I provided for a detailed explanation.

And I'll ask you again, were you raised in a sabbatarian cult (such as the Seventh Day Adventists which indoctrinated you with the heresy of Ellen G. White)?

Please answer honestly and stop avoiding the question.

Since when are the 10 commandments ceremonial law? The 10 are the full disclosure of God's requirements that show our love to God and our love to man kind. I would whole heartily agree that I don't need to kill a lamb for a sacrifice as Jesus fulfilled that at the cross and guaranteed our salvation. But the 10 are still valid laws that require being kept otherwise our world would certainly be in more trouble than it is now with crimes of all sorts.

 

[Funtastic]

Read post 36 and post 38 and the respective links here and here I provided for a detailed explanation. You appear to either not comprehend what I post or are choosing to ignore it for the answer to your reply has already been given.

As I stated previously: "Now [in the new covenant] we strive toward agape love and God's holiness (rooted in his universal morality) rather than the ceremonial tenants of the Mosaic Law... an old covenant God once had with the ancient nation of Israel which Christ fulfilled and that is no longer binding. Confusing the ceremonial law of the old covenant with God's universal morality is fallacious."

This means the part of the ten commandments which contain God's universal morality also exist in the New Covenant which, of course, makes perfect sense as God's universal morality (which as I explained previously is an extension of His own holiness) never changes. The ceremonial portion (e.g. ritual Sabbath religious observance necessary for justification before God in the old covenant) is fulfilled in Christ and does not exist in the New Covenant.

The ancient Sabbath religious observance ritual has nothing to do with salvation today in the new covenant, and nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was never part of the message of the New Testament church. The message is always one of liberty, never one of restrictions on a particular day of the week. God accepts us because of Jesus Christ, not because we observe a ceremonial law of ancient Israel from the old covenant.

Read: 10 False distinctions between the 10 Commandments and the ceremonial law exposed!

Read: the respective links here and here I provided for a detailed explanation.

And I'll ask you again, were you raised in a sabbatarian cult (such as the Seventh Day Adventists which indoctrinated you with the heresy of Ellen G. White)?

Please answer honestly and stop avoiding the question.

If it's not for today, then why is it to be kept in the Millennium of all things?

 

[Funtastic]

If the Law was to not to be followed after Christ's death then why is there no mention of it in the OT? In fact it's just the apposite.

Amos 3:7 - Surely the Lord God will do nothing, unless He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.

 

[Funtastic]

Also the dietary instructions haven't been annulled either because anyone eating swines flesh in the Millennium will be destroyed.

Isaiah 66:17 - They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

When Jesus, Yeshua, teaches the Sabbath is made for man, it is in reference to doing (good) works on the Sabbath; He was not telling people the Seventh Day when He rested is now the first day.

 

[Funtastic]

Zechariah 8:23 - “Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days it shall come to pass that ten men out of all the languages of the nations shall take hold, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, “We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”

This verse is talking about the last days, why take hold of a Jew? Because the nations are so desperate to be taught the Law of God and I also believe that the Jews eyes will be opened and they will see that Jesus is the Messiah.

Matthew 23:39 - For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This verse seems to be saying that Christ will not return until the Jews recognize that He is the Messiah.

The reason the Jews refuse to believe that Jesus is the Messiah is because Christians teach that Christ came to do away with the Law of God when the OT says the opposite. In Deut 13 it is saying that if a prophet comes to teach to follow after other gods or to not follow the commandments of God then he is not of God.

When Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments" the NT didn't exist so Jesus was never referring to it.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 [SUP]14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP] 17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What are the holy scriptures mentioned there? The torah and the prophets.

Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

This is speaking of the end times. This isn't just for the Jews as there were 12 tribes and only one was Jewish. Also haven't we been grafted into Israel through Christ?. So we are included in this.


Revelation 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


It's not just the people who have just the testimony of Jesus that the devil is worried about, it's God's people who have both the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments of God.


The Bride of Christ will keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus. There are two people groups, the bride and the wedding guests. The wedding guests are not the unsaved.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Your question is answered in the links I provided but I have a question for you. Why are members of the cult of Seventh Day Adventism very reluctant to admit their identity with this heretical organization?

If it's not for today, then why is it to be kept in the Millennium of all things?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The New Testament is replete with scripture explaining the old covenant ceremonial law is no longer necessary for justification before God and condemnation is given for Judaizers who attempt to pull Christians back under old covenant ceremonial law for justification.

In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”

At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses. Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”

To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).

Read: The Law - Only One Covenant?

Since you like prophecy, as a member of the religious cult of Seventh Day Adventism and heresy of Ellen G. White, begin to acquaint yourself with these old testament prophecies and their fulfillment in Christ: The Law - Only One Covenant?

If the Law was to not to be followed after Christ's death then why is there no mention of it in the OT? In fact it's just the apposite.

Amos 3:7 - Surely the Lord God will do nothing, unless He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.

 

[Funtastic]

Your question is answered in the links I provided but I have a question for you. Why are members of the cult of Seventh Day Adventism very reluctant to admit their identity with this heretical organization?

I see the SDA keeping the Sabbath out of tradition.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Peter was taught that the Old Testament dietary restrictions are no longer in effect for the New Testament believer (Acts 10:9-16) by God Himself. The truth of this was emphasized in that the command to rise, kill, and eat was repeated three times. This passage single-handedly refutes the following claim that the Mosaic dietary restrictions are in force in the New Testament churches.

We are taught that in the New Testament dissipation that diet is entirely a matter of personal liberty (Romans 14:1-6) and we are not to judge others in such matters (Romans 14:13).

We also have a warning about those who teach against eating meat (1 Timothy 4:1-6) and we are told that to require a vegetarian diet is a doctrine of devils. This one heresy is sufficient to mark Ellen G. White as a heretic.

To go beyond the Bible’s clear teaching in this matter and begin associating diet with salvation is heresy.

The New Testament plainly states that “every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer” (1 Timothy 4:4-5).

The writer of Hebrews warned:

“Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein” (Heb. 13:9).

Salvation and holiness is not determined by whether you have bacon with your eggs. A doctrine of meats or special diet for justification before God is a strange and unscriptural doctrine!

Also the dietary instructions haven't been annulled either because anyone eating swines flesh in the Millennium will be destroyed.

Isaiah 66:17 - They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

So which Sabbatarian cult are you associated with then?

I see the SDA keeping the Sabbath out of tradition.