Is your denomination misleading you?
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The Law was given through Israel to be a light to the world. Salvation is also of the Jews. God revealed Himself through Israel. Don't you believe it's wrong for both a Jew and a Gentile to lie, steal, commit adultery, worship false gods and so on?
Do I reject Christ by abstaining from adultery or murder? Then why is it when I celebrate the seventh day Sabbath I'm rejecting Christ?
How does obeying the will of our Father equate to rejecting Christ. Jesus came to magnify the Law and make it honorable. The Law is good, holy and right. Why do you reject such a plain truth as expressing our love through obedience? Even Jesus did that and He's our example.
Jesus taught many,many times on how to keep the Sabbath in light of things that come up on the Sabbath. He never, not even once, talked about Sunday.
The Bible never said the Old Covenant was flawed, it said the people were flawed.
I cling to Christ because I'm a Law breaker but I listen to Christ and follow His teachings because I desire to be a Law keeper. Obedience is the fruit of the new birth, not the means to it.
Do I reject Christ by abstaining from adultery or murder? Then why is it when I celebrate the seventh day Sabbath I'm rejecting Christ?
How does obeying the will of our Father equate to rejecting Christ. Jesus came to magnify the Law and make it honorable. The Law is good, holy and right. Why do you reject such a plain truth as expressing our love through obedience? Even Jesus did that and He's our example.
Jesus taught many,many times on how to keep the Sabbath in light of things that come up on the Sabbath. He never, not even once, talked about Sunday.
The Bible never said the Old Covenant was flawed, it said the people were flawed.
I cling to Christ because I'm a Law breaker but I listen to Christ and follow His teachings because I desire to be a Law keeper. Obedience is the fruit of the new birth, not the means to it.
Amen! If you highlighted a couple more words in the above verse you would see that the Spirit is given to us not so that we can have a warm buttery feeling. But rather, the Spirit is given to us to empower us to walk in the statues and judgments of God. In other words, its given to us to help us obey the commandments of God.
Amen! If only God's people could see and understand what you just said. The biggest change in sinful man is God's miraculous work in giving us a new nature. The new nature does not mean we will live perfectly but it will mean that we will have a new desire to live perfectly. Prior to the new nature we had no desire to live for God or please God. We were in bed with sin and it was good company. We had no desire to be part of God's kingdom but now that we have a new nature godly desires are present and growing stronger everyday. One day we will look back and say, "WOW! have I changed" and you know what, you didn't even realize it was happening. Many times it's your old friends that say you changed and many times they don't even want to be around anymore.
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Hi Scuba, and welcome to CC. Straight talkers sharing truth is refreshing to read. I liked the presentation, the video you linked btw.
Great words here from you, so I took liberty to re-post them:
(quote from Scuba)I cling to Christ because I'm a Law breaker but I listen to Christ and follow His teachings because I desire to be a Law keeper. Obedience is the fruit of the new birth, not the means to it.
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Our Father has not left us without instructions, to blindly stumble thru life deciding for ourselves what is right, He has shown us His light, His truth.
[h=3]Micah 6:8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good;
and what doth the Lord require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy,
and to walk humbly with thy God?
Great words here from you, so I took liberty to re-post them:
(quote from Scuba)I cling to Christ because I'm a Law breaker but I listen to Christ and follow His teachings because I desire to be a Law keeper. Obedience is the fruit of the new birth, not the means to it.
^^^^^^^^
Our Father has not left us without instructions, to blindly stumble thru life deciding for ourselves what is right, He has shown us His light, His truth.
[h=3]Micah 6:8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good;
and what doth the Lord require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy,
and to walk humbly with thy God?
No, no, no my dear friend! If you're keeping the commandments you're letting the Spirit lead you. Remember Ezekiel? God gives us His Spirit to lead us in keeping His commandments. The commandments define godly love so if you're born again and have a love God and man it will be hard for you not to keep the commandments.
Thank you so much for the encouragement, it's refreshing... \o/
Want to see something very cool. The last word always seems to be the most important, that's why they are saved for last. Listen to how God closes the Old Testament.
Malachi 4 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,” Says the Lord of hosts, “That will leave them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My name the Sun of righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings; and you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves. You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this” says the Lord of hosts. “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
Want to see something very cool. The last word always seems to be the most important, that's why they are saved for last. Listen to how God closes the Old Testament.
Malachi 4 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,” Says the Lord of hosts, “That will leave them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My name the Sun of righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings; and you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves. You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this” says the Lord of hosts. “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
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It is important to note, that if you place faith in law keeping or commandment keeping ( and there is nothing wrong with the commandments) you are opening yourself to failure. The main focus of our faith should be on the work of the cross and not what we do
Because faith in the cross will cause you to keep God's word and is the only that you can keep God's word. Because the Holy Spirit will only work in the confines of the cross. If your faith is placed elsewhere the Holy Spirit will not and cannot help you.
Because faith in the cross will cause you to keep God's word and is the only that you can keep God's word. Because the Holy Spirit will only work in the confines of the cross. If your faith is placed elsewhere the Holy Spirit will not and cannot help you.
Or having to cut flesh to be circumcised, or use the choice of food to be sanctified or keep clean in thought and deed. YES!!
I would like to add that there is a spiritual instruction behind the mixing of cloths, cutting beard, etc. We are still to listen to the spirit and truth in these instructions. And seeing the earthly duties of the priests before Christ took over those duties can help us see Christ.
I would like to add that there is a spiritual instruction behind the mixing of cloths, cutting beard, etc. We are still to listen to the spirit and truth in these instructions. And seeing the earthly duties of the priests before Christ took over those duties can help us see Christ.
I believe everything is important and all work together in the great plan of God. I believe we, as blood bought children of God, need to live in the past, present and future at all times. Let me explain. We are a saved people who are being saved and will be saved. In our daily walk we strive to be holy just like God is holy but we are not perfect, we stumble and fall. When this happens we look back to the cross and know that if it weren't for the cross we would be lost without hope. Then we look to the future of the great hope and promise of God's soon to come kingdom. This gives us hope and strength to keep living godly in the present. This way of living should be a constant thing in our lives. We should always strive to be holy because there is a kingdom coming where nothing that defiles will enter in. We should always be humble realizing that it's by the grace of God that I go. And we should always be thankful for the shed blood of Jesus Christ that makes all this possible. Now go out and love people into the kingdom of God and teach them all the Jesus taught.
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You don't know the bible and your reading comprehension is pitiful.
Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."
It had faults. Not perfect. Not perfect is flawed.
To illustrate my first response you said the same thing he did. You don't have any understanding of what you are reading.
Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."
It had faults. Not perfect. Not perfect is flawed.
To illustrate my first response you said the same thing he did. You don't have any understanding of what you are reading.
Is this where the bitterness and hatred comes in?
I believe God made a perfect covenant for an imperfect people.
Hebrews 8:7-8 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said, “The days are coming, declares the Lord,when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
I believe God made a perfect covenant for an imperfect people.
Hebrews 8:7-8 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said, “The days are coming, declares the Lord,when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.