BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[haz]

No one has judged anyone here

As you always preach the law and declare here that you do not judge anyone, how does the doctrine you follow describe the many here who never keep the Sabbath?

Please don't reply with the response that you personally do not judge. I'm asking what the doctrine you follow says, as it will certainly cover this issue.

 

[JaumeJ]

Why would I keep my university professors at hand when I may always refer to the content of the learning I have accumulated for myself, but those professors are still teaching, and, should the need arise, I may refer to them, since I am not perfect in all until the great and wonderful Day of the Lord, amen.

This is not being legalistic, however it is demonstrating gratitude to the Lamb of Yahweh for what He did for us all.

You want to throw away the teachings of the schoolomaster, then all who hold degrees should tear them up and never rely on their criteria for finding employment.

It is imperative for any who believe Yeshua to keep in mind the teachings of the law and of the Master, for He taught all the aforementioned.
Those who attempt to stop others under grace from being obedient are indeed the new-age law and lawyers. Do what Yeshua teaches.......directly and through Paul

so you have to keep learning the law? the schoomasters job is never done?

Sorry but paul disagrees.

Yes, I know algebra. I don't keep GOING back to it. Thats the difference.

The law will not make you moral (righteous) it can;t, if you think it can. you have problems. (and no, I am not talking righteous as in saved)

 

[yesyoushould]

Actually we declare what scripture declares, that by works of the law no man will be saved.
Gal 2:16

Salvation is from God alone. God forbid a man try and take credit for it.

 

[Brother_Don]

Romans 6:19-20, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

 

[Brother_Don]

Romans 6:22-23, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Are you saying I insist others do as I do? I have never preached, period. I share what I believe in the light of the Holy Spirit. Had you truly been familiar with what I post, you would realize I have mentioned on various occasions when a person is not aware of a sin, it is not counted against him

As far as the LAW and I are concerned, I have only bared my own understaning in response to the OP, while doing so, I have been accused of judgine. Yahweh knows I judge no one, but I am told I have because I am not allowed by teh new-age lawyers to practice what Paul teaches, and that is to revere one day over another with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh, and obey His laws.

Never have I believed others must do this, though I recommend it 100% because in my heart I know it is proper. The law is holy and the law is good. Yeshua teaches never to teach agains the least of the laws, yet many teach to the contrary of Yeshua.

I know according to Yeshua, not just myself, that anyone who teaches against the least of the commandments will be least in heaven. This does not say he is going to hell, for he will be least in heaven. I believe this, and I share what I believe I know from the Master.

Now if you want condemnation, read the attacks on any who believe as I do under the grace of Yeshua. Do not cast stones when people reply to charges made agains them, understand?

As you always preach the law and declare here that you do not judge anyone, how does the doctrine you follow describe the many here who never keep the Sabbath?

Please don't reply with the response that you personally do not judge. I'm asking what the doctrine you follow says, as it will certainly cover this issue.

 

[Dan_473]

You cannot be in line with Peter if you limit interpretation to either spiritual or literal. They work together so cutting off either one makes it a private interpretation.

Very true! And I think sometimes the meaning that the spirit brings is beyond what a human would see in the literal... Who knew that David eating the showbread meant that plucking grain on the sabbath was OK? I wouldn't have seen that humanly... Grace to all!

 

[yesyoushould]

Romans 6:19-20, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Yeah, I have never read that righteousness in God is bad from the Holy Scriptures.

 

[nl]

He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul, But he who is careless of his ways will die. - Proverbs 19:16

All Scripture is profitable...(2 Timothy 3:16).

 

[yesyoushould]

Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation

 

[JaumeJ]

When we come to Yeshua and receive the Holy Spirit, the law is inscribed on our hearts, and we obey the law by nature. This is by our new nature.

We understand Jesus, Yeshua, teaches we should not teach against the law because they are not to change.

What happens, those who are afraid to study the law are still covered by grace, as long as they worship the Savior in spirit and truth, but they are missing out on a great blessing from the law, and that is wisdom and knowledge from Yahweh, Himself. It speaks of Yeshua, and there is prophesy in the law, and much more.

If your are content to ignore the law, and you are in Yeshua, I do not nor have I ever condemned you, but you are missing out a a great portion of the walk in Christ during this age.

All I ask, I plead, is that no one teach against the law for it is good and it is holy. It is the Fahter's will, amen.

 

[haz]

Are you saying I insist others do as I do? I have never preached, period. I share what I believe in the light of the Holy Spirit. Had you truly been familiar with what I post, you would realize I have mentioned on various occasions when a person is not aware of a sin, it is not counted against him

I hadn't really noticed much of what you have said as I've mainly been debating legalist friend's of your's who preach condemnation. Sorry, but I don't have the time to read every post.

Never have I believed others must do this, though I recommend it 100% because in my heart I know it is proper. The law is holy and the law is good. Yeshua teaches never to teach agains the least of the laws, yet many teach to the contrary of Yeshua.

I know according to Yeshua, not just myself, that anyone who teaches against the least of the commandments will be least in heaven. This does not say he is going to hell, for he will be least in heaven.

So does the doctrine you follow say that the least in heaven are righteous, holy and perfect?

And do you see yourself as one of the great or the least in God's kingdom?
In other words, do you keep the law perfectly, which is another distinguishing factor for those who are called great in God's kingdom?

 

[haz]

Romans 6:22-23, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

What's the "fruit unto righteousness"?
It's Christ the firstfruit.
1Cor 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept

And we all know that if we believe on Jesus we have everlasting life, John 3:16

Thus we see Rom 6:22,23 referring to believing on Jesus, thus becoming servant of God obeying His will, John 6:40.

 

[Zinzerio]

The anti-Christ is referred to as the "lawless one." He does not regard the law.

Now if a person has come to know Yeshua, will he obey the law, or be lawless.

For once we have known the grace of Yeshua and deliberately sin, we are recrucifying Him.

Now, I believe Yeshua, and, YES, I have succumbed to sin since I know Him, but I do not sin deliberately, for I have always observed His law since I have had power of reason thereof. I live in grace, and I remain in grace because I honor God by obeying Him.

Ask youself, do you honor Yeshua by your obedience? If you want to obey Him, knowing you are not perfect, nor is any man, then you will do what He has shown is His will, obey His law. Grace does the rest as long as you believe Yeshua is your Way, your Truth, and your Life. He is Mine forever, Praise Yeshua, amen.

Not just the fallen one

2 Peter 3:17-18

17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever! Amen.

 

[JaumeJ]

What I read from my brothers and sisters is not legalist at all, it is obedience. You have labeled all such, and this is bad judgment on your part.

If you read what Yeshua teaches, you know He does not touch on what those who are least in the Kingdom will be in His teaching on the subject. I do not have a doctrine, as you have judged me having. My faith is the faith of Abraham as taught by Yeshua.

As for your last remark, perfectly, how many times I have confessed I do not, nor can I, but I do not throw away what I learn from the law as useless, for that is calling God's will useless.

Yes indeed, you would be helped greatly were you to actually read what I have posted before you reply. If this is how you prepare yourself to reply to me and my posts, it stands to reason you are replying to others in the same manner, and we all know what proverbs teaches us about a person who answers without having heard the question, right?

I hadn't really noticed much of what you have said as I've mainly been debating legalist friend's of your's who preach condemnation. Sorry, but I don't have the time to read every post.



So does the doctrine you follow say that the least in heaven are righteous, holy and perfect?

And do you see yourself as one of the great or the least in God's kingdom?
In other words, do you keep the law perfectly, which is another distinguishing factor for those who are called great in God's kingdom?

 

[JaumeJ]

Pro 18:13

He that giveth answer before he heareth, It is folly and shame unto him.

 

[haz]

What I read from my brothers and sisters is not legalist at all,

I had noticed you always like what these other legalists I've debated have posted. But we'll have to disagree with each other's view whether they are legalists though.

If you read what Yeshua teaches, you know He does not touch on what those who are least in the Kingdom will be in His teaching on the subject. I do not have a doctrine, as you have judged me having.

Note your previous quote below in relation to what you already claim you know about who is "least" and "great" in Heaven..

I know according to Yeshua, not just myself, that anyone who teaches against the least of the commandments will be least in heaven. This does not say he is going to hell, for he will be least in heaven.

So are you really saying that you don't know whether you will be called "least" in Heaven?

You obviously know enough to call anybody who teaches against the law "least".

We also know it says that anyone who does not obey the law perfectly will also be called "least".

This should be enough for you to determine whether you and I will be called "least" or "great" in heaven.

As for your conclusion that those who oppose you here will be called "least" in Heaven, it should be obvious whether we are still righteous, holy and perfect in Heaven. I'm sure you have enough information in scripture to answer these questions.

but I am told I have because I am not allowed by teh new-age lawyers to practice what Paul teaches, and that is to revere one day over another with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh, and obey His laws.

Here you are calling us "new age lawyers". Can you explain if you preach condemnation with labeling those under grace this way?

 

[Zinzerio]

Salvation is from God alone. God forbid a man try and take credit for it.

You can rejoice and praise a brother tho for bring someone else into repentance amen

 

[2Thewaters]

Coomandment keepers all believe that salvation is by Jesus christ blood alone
his power gives us strength to do right.
obedience to the law is a condition of the power of God given to us.

The lawbreakers never understand that lawbreaking is not ok in heaven

adam and eve were expected to keep perfect obedience to all that God said incuding the apple,
everyone is expected to have perfect obedience in heaven and YOU are expected to have perfect obedience in heaven

The obedience comes from Jesus tour righteousness and the born again holy spirit
you do right because you love God.

 

[JaumeJ]

By your own words you have proven the point of all whom you oppose. You do not actually read to what you reply. In your interpretation of what I know according to Yeshua as if I have prefabricated something, when it is there for you to read from Him, and so goes the manner in which you convolute anything you do not read as something you have made some imaginary sense of. No, you said it, you do not even read what I post. It seems this too is how you read the Word. Your very words uphold what I have stated here. Please do not reply to me or anyone else when, as you have stated, it is not important for you to read what they have to say. A debate is like dialogue, it goes two ways. Think about that young man. Thanks, and God help you.

I had noticed you always like what these other legalists I've debated have posted. But we'll have to disagree with each other's view whether they are legalists though.



Note your previous quote below in relation to what you already claim you know about who is "least" and "great" in Heaven..



So are you really saying that you don't know whether you will be called "least" in Heaven?

You obviously know enough to call anybody who teaches against the law "least".

We also know it says that anyone who does not obey the law perfectly will also be called "least".

This should be enough for you to determine whether you and I will be called "least" or "great" in heaven.

As for your conclusion that those who oppose you here will be called "least" in Heaven, it should be obvious whether we are still righteous, holy and perfect in Heaven. I'm sure you have enough information in scripture to answer these questions.



Here you are calling us "new age lawyers". Can you explain if you preach condemnation with labeling those under grace this way?