Baptism Essential to Salvation

[newbirth]

yeah.

I also see what else he wrote. (to get context)

On baptism which places us INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST,

That does not mean there are not other baptisms. Only one which saves

did you see what I wrote...So when the Lord commanded...Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: He was commanding a Spirit baptism ...Now I am asking you how do you do that to someone....Lets say you have a convert and the command is to baptise him/her how do you perform a Spirit baptism?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

did you see what I wrote...So when the Lord commanded...Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: He was commanding a Spirit baptism ...Now I am asking you how do you do that to someone....Lets say you have a convert and the command is to baptise him/her how do you perform a Spirit baptism?

Yep. I did

He said make disciples first. then baptize them.

God saves them., By baptising them/ Then we baptise them, as they profess their faith.

How do I perform spirit baptism? i an;t. nor can your pastor. Only God can baptise you into the death, burial and body of Christ, Anyone who tells you otherwise has deceived you

 

[newbirth]

yeah.

I also see what else he wrote. (to get context)

On baptism which places us INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST,

That does not mean there are not other baptisms. Only one which saves

which baptism does the scripture teach for the remission of sins.....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

which baptism does the scripture teach for the remission of sins.....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

The one performed by God.

Titus 3: 5 Not by works of righteousness (which would include water baptism) which we have done, HE SAVED US by the WASHING OF RENEWAL (new birth) of (by) the Holy Spirit

Col 2. The one performed by the one who rose Christ from the dead. the spiritul cleansing.

Justified freely, not by our own works.

Peter did not ontradit paul or Jesus or John (you (meaning everyone) will be baptized BY THE HS via CHRIST

 

[SeaBass]

The Bible says "..believe and be saved" but you say believe and still lost until you accomplish a list of additional requirements after we believe. Whoever believes in Him shall not perish, is not condemned, has everlasting life, receives remission of sins, shall be saved (John 3:16,18,36; Acts 10:43; 16:31) but you say believing is insufficient which is really saying that Christ's finished work of redemption is insufficient to save you as He is the object of our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in receiving salvation. You believe/have faith in "water and works" and not exclusively in Him, so you don't believe in Him which means you have not yet repented either. Whatever we are trusting in for salvation, that's what we BELIEVE/HAVE FAITH IN.



Repent precedes believe in Him/believe the gospel to receive eternal life. Repent and believe the gospel. It's not believe the gospel then repent afterward to become saved. Repentance is a change of mind about our sinful position and need for Christ to save us along with changing our mind about any form of self-trust in human works, religious tradition, etc. followed by a trust in the finished work of Christ which alone has the power to save us. Either we are trusting 100% in Christ to save us or else we are 100% lost.



As I already explained in a previous post, in Matthew 10:32-33, the broader context of this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples spoke about Him in every city they visited. We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like these Pharisees do on every occasion they get), I will deny him before my Father in heaven. Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him alone for salvation. Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 10:9; 14:6). The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Him three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith) will be denied by Christ before the Father.

In Romans 10:9-10, confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead is not two separate steps to salvation but chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess. 1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply reciting the words "Jesus is Lord" from a check list of steps not by the Holy Spirit is not unto salvation.

*Romans 10:10 says confession is made unto salvation, yet your formula says, confession is not made unto salvation, but unto baptism, which is then made unto salvation, in contradiction to Romans 10:10.



He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned." If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

So the 4 step formula of mere "mental assent" belief + self reformation + lip service confession + water baptism does not = salvation. It equals unbelief. Faith in Christ alone for salvation = saving belief.



Is that what Paul said in Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9? So how many works must we accomplish and add to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us? Show me where the Bible says "saved by works." Who obeys Him? The saved or the lost?



When we place our faith in Christ for salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." You left out "servants of obedience" unto righteousness. Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness. In Romans 6:16, there is a contrast here between servants. We are either servants of sin unto death (lost-unbelievers) or else we are servants of obedience unto righteousness (saved-believers). If Paul wanted to teach that we are saved based on our obedience/works then he simply would have said in Ephesians 2:8 that we have been saved through faith and obedience. In Romans 5:1, Paul would have said that we have been justifed by faith and obedience, but of course, that is not what Paul said.



Believers serve Christ because they are saved, not to become saved. You have the cart before the horse. Believers don't serve Christ their entire lives as lost unbelievers in order to some day finally become saved by works. What James means by "faith only" is an empty profession of faith that produces no works. That is not what a genuine believer means by salvation through faith in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8,9). Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith IN CHRIST alone (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). Simple!



You need to read verse 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6-7 - IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Lost unbelievers walk in darkness, not in the light. Saved believers walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7.


Salvation by works is not obeying Christ. Who teaches faith only, per James? What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? (vs. 14). What kind of faith is an empty profession of faith? A dead faith. By the way, James DOES NOT teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. I will SHOW you my faith by my works. Show, not establish. Big difference! Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) yet genuine faith is substantiated and confirmed by good works (James 2:14-24). This is the balance that you have out of balance.

The bible does not say 'believe only ' and be saved.

Jn 8:24---------belief>>>>>>>>>>>>saved
Lk 13:3,5-------repent>>>>>>>>>>>not perish/saved
Mt 10:32,33----confession>>>>>>>>saves
Mk 16:16-------baptism>>>>>>>>>>saves

Since there is just one way to be saved, then belief must include repentance, confession and baptism. For anyone to agrue "belief only" saves then they are implying the impenitent can be saved, the denier of Christ can be saved, one lost in his unremitted sins can be saved.......none of which is possible.


You've yet to give a logical, biblical reason as to why an atheist, who does not believe in God, does not believe in heaven or hell, does not believe he is lost in sin, would ever repent.

The implication of Mt 10:32,33 and ROm 10:9,10 is no confession - no salvation.
Rom 10:10 and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confession is made unto, in order to obtain salvation. Threrefore one cannot confess because he is already saved. That idea has a denier of Christ saved. Mt 10:32,33 uses the word "whosoever" therefore is not limited to just those already disciples.

Mk 16;16 is a compound sentence with the first part dealing with the subject of salvation and the second part dealing with a different subject of condemnation. Each subject has DIFFERENT requirements. So if one desires to be saved, then he looks to Mk 16;16a and see there are TWO , not one but TWO requirements joined by the conjunction "and" making them INSEPARABLE. The "and" would mean if one doe snot have to be baptized to be svd, then one does not have to believe to be saved either.

If one desires to be lost, then there is just ONE, not two but ONE requirement, that being unbelief. SInce in Mk 16;16a Jesus made believing a prerequisite to baptism then an unbeliever CANNOT be baptized, Therefore when Jesus said "he that believeth not" that automatically includes the unbaptized therefore there it would be needlessly redundant for Jesus to say "he that believeth not and is not baptized because of his unbelief shall be condemnedi


Rom 6:16, Paul did NOT say obedience BECAUSE you ALREADY are righteous. He DID say "obedience UNTO righteousness" therefore one first obeys in order to be come righteous.

The order of events in ROm 6:17,18
1) servants of sins
2) obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine
3) then made freed from sin/justified

So I serve # 2 "obedience UNTO righteousness" which "faith only" rules out.



1 Jn 1:6,7 nothing in verse 6 changes verse 7 that requires a continued walking in the light for Christ's blood to continue to wash away all sins. Both verses befin with a conditional "IF" showing the Christian has a choice in the matter.

John was writing this passage to Christians, those ALREADY saved, those ALREADY been water baptized for remission of sins. So the washing away of sins BEGIN at the point one is baptized but does not end there. From the point of being water baptized and having all past sins washed away, Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away all future sins the Christian commits "IF" the Christian faithfully walks in the light. Martin Luther's "faith only" is not found in any of this.


Salvation is strictly by obedient works, Heb 5:9. NOT being obedient to God's will is disobedience-sin-unrightoueness-lost and one remains in that lost state until he does obey. Doing nothing i.e., "faith only" can never make one obedient/righteous as Paul said in Rom 6:16 obedience UNTO righteousness.

 

[SeaBass]

Last time: In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical.

The Greek rule regarding agreement between verbs and pronouns requires that the remission of sins be connected with repentance, not with baptism.

The fundamental question is this - to which verb, the verb "repent," or the verb "be baptized," does the prepositional phrase "for the remission of your sins" refer to or connect? That is the $64, 000 question.

First, lets talk about the ANTECEDENT OF humon or the pronoun "your" in English. What is the antecedent of this pronoun? In order to answer this, we must first note that there are two main clauses preceding the prepositional phrase.

Though both leading clauses are imperatives, they are not identical, for the first clause, "repent ye" (including both verb and pronoun), is second person plural, while the second clause, "each one of you be baptized" (including both verb and pronoun), is third person singular. Thus, there is a change of both person and number between the verbs and pronouns in these two clauses.

In the prepositional phrase, "for the remission or YOUR sins," the pronoun “your” is second person plural. The effect of this change from second person plural to third person singular, and then back again to second person plural, shows that the phrase connects directly with the command to “repent.”

Essentially what you have is - “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular).” Or, “You all repent for the forgiveness of all of your sins, and let each one of you be baptized.”

Acts 2:38 has two occurrences of the pronoun "your" or "humon"; both are second person plural in the genitive case. The first occurs in the phrase "each of you," in which humon functions as a partitive genitive, indicating the group from which each person derives. The second occurrence is in the phrase "for the remission of your sins," in which humon is a subjective genitive indicating whose sins are involved in the remission.

The basic rule of concord, in Greek, stipulates that a personal pronoun (in this case humon) agrees with its antecedent in gender and number.

The concord between verb and pronoun requires that the remission of sins be connected with repentance, not with baptism.

If one associates forgiveness with baptism, the verse translated into English, with due accord to person and number, would read like this, "let him [third singular] be baptized for the remission of your [second plural] sins." But, such an interpretation or translation would be supporting an absurdity. It would be affirming that an individual's baptism remitted the sin of others, in this case, that of the Pentecostal penitents, or of the crowd, as a group.

The structure of Acts 2:38 illustrates that the command to be baptized is parenthetical and is not syntactically connected to remission of sins. When Peter commanded the people to repent, he was speaking to the crowd. Then the command to be baptized was directed to each individual. In the "remission of your sins" phrase, Peter again directed his words to the crowd collectively.

The issue in Acts 2:38 is that of agreement between the personal pronoun humon and its antecedent.

One must not impose English word order rules on the Greek text. In English the phrase "for the forgiveness of your sins" may be connected to either "repent," "be baptized," or both. However, in the Greek it cannot be so.

In Acts 2:38, repentance is the means of receiving forgiveness and baptism is done in reference to repentance and forgiveness.

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43-47 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43? Believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism.

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism? It followed AFTERWARDS.

Acts 15:8,9 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9). *Perfect Harmony*


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1) Peter is talking to "THEM" and he tells his subject "them' to repent and be baptized. Since Peter is speaking to the same "them" then the number DOES NOT MATTER for the same people he told to repent he told to be baptized.

In 1 Cor 16:1,2 Paul is addressing the church at Corinth and in verse 1 he refers to them by the plural "ye" In verse 2 he refers to them by the singular "each of you" He addresses the same people by both a plural and singular yet they are all still to lay by in store.

2) The verbs repent and be baptized are connect by the conjunction "and" which has a connecting power or force meaning the two cannot be separated. So BOTH verbs are followed by the modifying by the phrase "for remission of sins". Just by looking at this one verse and since there was no puncutuation used, it cannot be told if both verbs or just baptized is modified by the phase "remission of sins". You are trying to ignore the "and" and separate the two by putting repenting in front of the modifier and baptism behind the modifer.

3) both verbs are in the imperative mood. Even if the modifier "for the remission" was not in the verse the imperative alone would make both necessary to salvation for not doing them would be disobedience/sin/unrighteousness.

4) I read Biesner's argument on line and others, and I see they want people to ignore the "you"......"and be baptized every one of you" They do not discuss that the YOU is PLURAL and its antescedant is 'baptized each one"

So the verse could read "You all repent and you all be baptized each one individually for remission of sins". The singular individual, each one shows there is no proxy baptism, all of each person must be baptized

5) Gal 3:27 says baptized into Christ and NOT repent into Christ. SO repentance cannot put on in Christ therefore repentance without baptism cannot save.
Rom 6:3-6 says baptism puts on into Christ's death and NOT repentance. So repentance does NOT put one in Christis death where Christ shed his blood that washes away sins, so repentance cannot be for remission of sins for repentance does not put one in Christ's death.

 

[SeaBass]

Okay, then so do you not believe that when he went to the cross he died for the sin of all mankind, and by his death he cleansed the deck for any that come to belief are made anew in Spirit and truth, dead to self flesh and blood, we die daily to our own self flesh and blood, So that we walk in Spirit and truth with Father

Tell me can Father be worshiped any other way than in Spirit and truth, today, what does Father seek?

Christ died for every man Heb 2:9, so why will every man NOT be saved? For every man will NOT take advantage of what Christ did for him on the corss by OBEYING Christ, Heb 5:9.

 

[SeaBass]

I am so sorry for you in your self righteous works, I was there once and got buffeted and it hurt deeply, praying you do not have to be buffeted, but know if so it is for your good, I trust God to do God's Job in your redemption that God has past tense already done for you, that you are apparently not trusting in 100% as that is what Christ trusted in and not man

Praying for you to be taught truth over error and be set free form the self works program you are attached to. If I am wrong i trust god to buffet me. This is what I see from all your posts, are you from "The Church of Christ" by any chance?
No problem if you are, yet that is their doctrine, that no one is saved until, they water Baptize you or anyone

And if you are water Baptized anywhere else you are still not saved. Is this you please answer truthfully, I know God will not stop loving you as neither will I, why?
Because God forgave all at the cross and is not holding anyone's sins against them, and that is such good news I replied. thank you and now please teach me.
Ad I got taught I am saved by his resurrected life in Spirit and truth, praying God will show you this trurth

Doing what God says is not self-righteous works but obeying God is what the bible calls doing righteousness and God only accepts those that work righteousness, Act 10:35.

 

[SeaBass]

I am so glad you know all, are you really still a child, as when you thought this growing up, maybe time to mature, Hebrews 5:10-6:9

Lk 6:46 is Jesus "Lord" of those that do NOT do those things which He says to do? No.

 

[SeaBass]

by Faith one is saved in God by Son the Christ. Any works of righteousness is a by-product of Faith in God alone

Faith without works is dead and a dead faith cannot do anything, much less save.

"Faith alone" cannot have works of righteousness else it would not be alone for that would be faith AND works

 

[SeaBass]

Go man go, it is so great to hear and see that God gave you what you needed and not others,
so is god's gift free or conditional? And since you state conditional, which Church is the true Church for me, per you?

Show me the verse that says "do not obey God and thou shalt be saved"

 

[SeaBass]

If baptism is essential then what do we need the cross for?

If believing is essential, then what do we need the cross for?

 

[newbirth]

The one performed by God.

Titus 3: 5 Not byworks of righteousness (which would include water baptism) which we have done, HE SAVED US by the WASHING OF RENEWAL (new birth) of (by) the Holy Spirit

Col 2. The one performed by the one who rose Christ from the dead. the spiritul cleansing.

Justified freely, not by our own works.

Peter did not ontradit paul or Jesus or John (you (meaning everyone) will be baptized BY THE HS via CHRIST

The scripture we says shall receive the Holy Spirit...you say baptized by the HS...who should I believe? The scripture says... Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. You say water baptism is not for the remission of sins...Who should I believe?
So you are saying Peter is a liar....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

And Paul ...is Paul lying too...
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
I guess you know more than Peter and Paul......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The scripture we says shall receive the Holy Spirit...you say baptized by the HS...

The scripture says both happen, Unless you read a different scripture?

who should I believe? The scripture says... Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. You say water baptism is not for the remission of sins...Who should I believe?
So you are saying Peter is a liar....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

And Paul ...is Paul lying too...
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
I guess you know more than Peter and Paul......

I see.

You would rather be immersed (baptized) in water by a man who needs saved himself.

then be immersed (baptized) in Christ by God himself.

Makes total sense why you believe the way you do, anyone who had any questions should no longer have any question at all. You deisre the work of men over the work of God.

 

[newbirth]

The scripture says both happen, Unless you read a different scripture?



I see.

You would rather be immersed (baptized) in water by a man who needs saved himself.

then be immersed (baptized) in Christ by God himself.

Makes total sense why you believe the way you do, anyone who had any questions should no longer have any question at all. You deisre the work of men over the work of God.

I would rather obey the scripture the word of God...and you obey your doctrine of man...Are you refuting Peter and Paul ...the word is there written for all to see. Don't just say things quote your verse and chapter and not your opinion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would rather obey the scripture the word of God...and you obey your doctrine of man...Are you refuting Peter and Paul ...the word is there written for all to see. Don't just say things quote your verse and chapter and not your opinion.

No.

You misinterpret peter and Paul.

Me on the other hand, I do not make a doctrine on two verses out of two complete books.

I make doctrine on the whole of the word of God.

And you still chose to be immersed by a mere man, and reject being immersed by God.

I will take God. You can have men.

 

[newbirth]

No.

You misinterpret peter and Paul.

Me on the other hand, I do not make a doctrine on two verses out of two complete books.

I make doctrine on the whole of the word of God.

And you still chose to be immersed by a mere man, and reject being immersed by God.

I will take God. You can have men.

Did I misinterpret Peter and Paul? Where? You made them both to be liars...I made no doctrine I simply quoted scripture which you try to twist with your doctrine of men.All that you do and say the Word of God still stands...
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You can't change that....

 

[Alligator]

I would rather obey the scripture the word of God...and you obey your doctrine of man...Are you refuting Peter and Paul ...the word is there written for all to see. Don't just say things quote your verse and chapter and not your opinion.

No.

You misinterpret peter and Paul.

Me on the other hand, I do not make a doctrine on two verses out of two complete books.

I make doctrine on the whole of the word of God.

And you still chose to be immersed by a mere man, and reject being immersed by God.

I will take God. You can have men.

EG, what verse/verses are you getting this from (being immersed by God). I've never heard anything quite like that before.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, what verse/verses are you getting this from (being immersed by God). I've never heard anything quite like that before.

the word baptize means to immerse or to be placed into.

so whenever you see it. Replace the transliterated word with the correct translation and you will see it.

rom 6. We were immersed into the death and burial of Christ.

1 cor 12. we were immersed into Christ by the spirit of Our God.

John the baptist immersed in water.

that's the problem. The argument would never have started if the interpreters interpreted the word. and not transliterated it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did I misinterpret Peter and Paul? Where? You made them both to be liars...I made no doctrine I simply quoted scripture which you try to twist with your doctrine of men.All that you do and say the Word of God still stands...
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You can't change that....

your incorrect interpretation of the english does not help you. Peter did not tell everyone to be baptized. ONLY those who repented and received the gift of the spirit.

try som origional language study, You may find truth.

And you do not make a doctrine out of two verses.

You still would rather be immersed by man in water, than immersed by God into Christ.

so sad.