Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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Next time I go to a wedding, I will expect massive applause when I bust out the sparkling cider.
You need a solid and Biblical church.
You can't just mess with what's in the Bible and expect mature Believers to go along with you. The immature fall for these things you are saying, and it burdens their consciences.
The mature Believers that you know and fellowship with, do they also agree with you, or do they rebuke you for this?
If no one is rebuking you in your fellowship, then you are surrounding yourself with babes in Christ, and need to seek wise counsel.
You need a solid and Biblical church.
You can't just mess with what's in the Bible and expect mature Believers to go along with you. The immature fall for these things you are saying, and it burdens their consciences.
The mature Believers that you know and fellowship with, do they also agree with you, or do they rebuke you for this?
If no one is rebuking you in your fellowship, then you are surrounding yourself with babes in Christ, and need to seek wise counsel.
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The wine is made from the fruit our labors. In this miracle we are the servants. We go get the water and Christ turns it to wine. We can not drink of the cup but we take it to the Master (God the Father) and if it is good He calls for the bridegroom to taste of it. You are standing at the throne but are too blind to see. Will you wine be "good" or watered down to juice?
It is silly to believe that words do not change with the passage of time. Wine can refer to either unfermented wine or fermented wine. Just look up the word "wine" at dictionary.com. Look at the third definition.
Also, you obviously are unaware of all the warnings in the Bible that are against strong drink and drunkenness.
See Post #785. I have listed 75 warnings.
Yes, some of them are on drunkenness. Yet others warn against the use of the very drink itself.
Also, you obviously are unaware of all the warnings in the Bible that are against strong drink and drunkenness.
See Post #785. I have listed 75 warnings.
Yes, some of them are on drunkenness. Yet others warn against the use of the very drink itself.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; [SUP]24 [/SUP]and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.[SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.[SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
L
Timeline,
The "cup" at the Last Supper was not fermented/alcoholic and Jesus never partook of the "cup" Himself. However, Jesus did call that "cup" the "fruit of the vine" (which was the pure unfermented juice of the grape).
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
The "cup" at the Last Supper was not fermented/alcoholic and Jesus never partook of the "cup" Himself. However, Jesus did call that "cup" the "fruit of the vine" (which was the pure unfermented juice of the grape).
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
1 Corinthians 11 is speaking of those who are unbelievers or those who worship a false Christ. For example: Catholics would definitely be drinking the wine in an unworthy manner because they make something mystical out of the bread and the wine. Yet we are to drink and to eat in remembrance of Him. When we drink of the unfermented wine we show forth his death within us. It is a picture or a symbol of what He did for us.
Also, most churches use grape juice in their services. So if you believe it is so important or essential that Jesus's disciples drank alcoholic wine, then you should either change churches that use alcoholic wine and or spike your grape juice. But really? Why? Such a thing would be silly. There was no essential requirement for the wine to be intoxicating in any way. For such a teaching or truth does not exist in Scripture.
Also, most churches use grape juice in their services. So if you believe it is so important or essential that Jesus's disciples drank alcoholic wine, then you should either change churches that use alcoholic wine and or spike your grape juice. But really? Why? Such a thing would be silly. There was no essential requirement for the wine to be intoxicating in any way. For such a teaching or truth does not exist in Scripture.
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I was at a wedding party and everyone was there. We were having a great time. I was given a cup and told to take it to the Master of the Ceremony. He drinks and tastes of it. He says it is good. He calls out to the groom. And told him the best is the last with this one. Everyone cheers and we are celebrating.....but you are too busy asking the guest of honor what is in the wine telling him if it is strong or alcoholic that it is evil. What an insult to God this must be.
What do your Elders say when you revise the Bible?
I don't argue with your abstinence from alcohol, or that alcohol is a dangerous substance.
I am rebuking you for revising the Bible just to say so.
The Bible doesn't say unfermented. Why must you?
The Bible stands as is. There is no benefit to adding doctrine to it, only benefit in taking doctrine from it.
Do you have an answer for the rebuke, or will you just continue in your ways.
Proverbs has many verses about ignoring rebuke.
I don't argue with your abstinence from alcohol, or that alcohol is a dangerous substance.
I am rebuking you for revising the Bible just to say so.
The Bible doesn't say unfermented. Why must you?
The Bible stands as is. There is no benefit to adding doctrine to it, only benefit in taking doctrine from it.
Do you have an answer for the rebuke, or will you just continue in your ways.
Proverbs has many verses about ignoring rebuke.
