it's really very simple.
"you must be born again"
"how? can i climb back into my mother's womb?"
"you must be born of water, and of spirit - flesh gives birth to flesh and spirit gives birth to spirit"
if you take off your "water-baptism-idolization" glasses, it becomes immediately clear that Jesus is talking about two births. that's why he says "born again." then he talks about two kinds of births - water & spirit - and contrasts them - "flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit"
all human flesh is mostly water. all human fetuses are born in a sac of water.
all humans come out of the womb when the water-sac breaks. the mother's water gushes out of her. this is how we know a child is about to be born.
all humans are 'born of water' in a very natural, easy-to-understand way.
you agree Jesus talks about two births.
you deny that he describes two births.
you agree Jesus contrasts two births.
i would think that a person who calls himself "newbirth" would have a better understanding of what our re-birthing is
"you must be born again"
"how? can i climb back into my mother's womb?"
"you must be born of water, and of spirit - flesh gives birth to flesh and spirit gives birth to spirit"
if you take off your "water-baptism-idolization" glasses, it becomes immediately clear that Jesus is talking about two births. that's why he says "born again." then he talks about two kinds of births - water & spirit - and contrasts them - "flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit"
all human flesh is mostly water. all human fetuses are born in a sac of water.
all humans come out of the womb when the water-sac breaks. the mother's water gushes out of her. this is how we know a child is about to be born.
all humans are 'born of water' in a very natural, easy-to-understand way.
you agree Jesus talks about two births.
you deny that he describes two births.
you agree Jesus contrasts two births.
i would think that a person who calls himself "newbirth" would have a better understanding of what our re-birthing is
Why would Jesus tell someone who came to Him that he must be born? Suppose you went to buy a car and the salesman said, you must be born to buy this car. You'd probably be like, "DUH," correct? How many people go to buy a car that haven't been born? Every person in the Bible that Jesus interacted with was born, so why would He tell then they have to be born?
The Jews thought, simply by being born they had a right to entrance into the kingdom. This is the idea that Jesus is challenging and the whole reason for the born again statement.
Also, the Granville Sharp rule indicates that water and spirit are both a part of the one (second) birth.