Contradiction of WORDS
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Now the above is NOT Rocket Science,
but to get some who post here to understand it, seems like trying
to hold someone's hard head in a mortar,
and bray it with a pestle.
I think the basic problem is that the gospel is a offense to the pride of man who thinks his works should be validated --
why he would do God a favor to enter Heaven so God could appreciate the man's righteousnesses.
but to get some who post here to understand it, seems like trying
to hold someone's hard head in a mortar,
and bray it with a pestle.
I think the basic problem is that the gospel is a offense to the pride of man who thinks his works should be validated --
why he would do God a favor to enter Heaven so God could appreciate the man's righteousnesses.
Rom 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
Paul does NOT say many were made sinners UNCONDITIONALLY nor many made righteous UNCONDITIONALLY.
Many are CONDITIONALLY made sinners for choosing to sin Rom 5:12 and are CONDITIONALLY made righteous for choosing to have faith Rom 5:1,2.
Rom 5:19 is an if-then statement.....if "x" is true then "y" is also true.
IF many are made sinners UNCONDITIONALLY is true THEN the same many are UNCONDITIONALLY made righteousness is also true and you are teaching Universalism.
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Oh hi SeaBass I am here too. Did you miss me 
you better put me on ignore because we are not done yet. You refuse to look at truth on the other forum and you refuse to look at it here. I posted the scripture you wanted on faith so tell me what you think. You gonna believe the Word of God here or you gonna keep your free but not free belief.
you better put me on ignore because we are not done yet. You refuse to look at truth on the other forum and you refuse to look at it here. I posted the scripture you wanted on faith so tell me what you think. You gonna believe the Word of God here or you gonna keep your free but not free belief.
Red maybe you, sea perch, and others should put your glasses on and read...FOR ALL..NOT ONE PERSON who teaches SAVED BY GRACE DIA FAITH HAS SAID THAT WE SHOULD NOT OBEY THE WORD AND HAVE FRUIT IN OUR LIVES so again YOU miss what is being said because you are wrapped up in the LAW over the GRACE and MERCY and TRUTH that CAME BY JESUS CHRIST!
MAYBE you should study GALATIANS very carefully as it teaches that we are JUSTIFIED and SAVED by the FAITH OF JESUS and anyone who adds works is a LIAR and speaking a GOSPEL of a different kind that is CURSED to HELL....so your Gospel of WORKS and GRACE will lead you to a place that you will not expect to be...I again suggest that you trust JESUS and the bible over your heretical pseudo gospel!
Well you know those who are wrapped up in the law......wonder how many they have broken today themselves....it amazes me as the people who believe grace dia faith have not once said that their should not be works in our lives...they (the lawyers) fail to understand that saving faith and eternal life come to a genuine believer based upon the work that Jesus has done....then they outright lie and say that we say that we do not have to follow the word and bear fruit in our lives while being totally oblivious to what is actually being said....Walmart sells reading glasses real cheap....maybe they should go buy some for sure........!
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The sad part is, is that if we are saved by the blood of Christ and our works, then how many works do we need? Does the Bible tell us how much work we have to do? Do I have to do as many works as you? Is there a "ladder" of works?
How about someone who believes in justification by works post Ephesians 2:8,9
How about someone who believes in justification by works post Ephesians 2:8,9
I agree...no hope in works for salvation or in cohort with faith for salvation as too many questions like
1. How many works do I have to do
2. Will I have enough works
3. What if I am one short
4. Does one sin cancel all the works I have done and can I get back to good works
5. What works in particular do I have to do
etc.
Only one work that brings salvation to anyone....THE WORK that JESUS has done on our part...just believe it!
For those who claim that faith is a work...My bible in 1st Corinthians 13 tells me that faith is a SPIRITUAL GIFT and contrary to workers for salvation a gift cannot be earned and or worked for...just like the contradiction of this OP!
1. How many works do I have to do
2. Will I have enough works
3. What if I am one short
4. Does one sin cancel all the works I have done and can I get back to good works
5. What works in particular do I have to do
etc.
Only one work that brings salvation to anyone....THE WORK that JESUS has done on our part...just believe it!
For those who claim that faith is a work...My bible in 1st Corinthians 13 tells me that faith is a SPIRITUAL GIFT and contrary to workers for salvation a gift cannot be earned and or worked for...just like the contradiction of this OP!