Contradiction of WORDS

[elf3]

ἐνεφύσησεν, [/COLOR]emphysáō (from 1722 /en, "in" and physaō, "breathe, blow") – properly, breathe (blow) in. 1720 (emphysáō) is only used in Jn 20:22 where Christ breathed into the apostles. By "breathing in Christ's inbreathing," 1720 (emphysáō) prefigures "the promise of the Father," fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Lk 24:49; Ac 1:4; Ac 2:1f).

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[TD="class: eng"]breathed[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐνεφύσησεν[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]enephusēsen[/TD]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1720[/TD]
[TD="class: eng2"]to breathe into or upon[/TD]
[TD="class: eng3"]from en and phusaó (to blow)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
2315 theópneustos (from 2316 /theós, "God" and 4154 /pnéō, "breathe out") – properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).

I concede that emphysáō and theopneustos are different words, but it doesn't change the fact that Scripture is not the only thing that is God-breaded, no matter which way you split the hair______________Face it. You don't like John 20 because it's too Catholic, or you have to invent some wacko theory that everything went kaputz after the death of the last Apostle.
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What you have done here is take the Greek word (Strongs 1720) meaning "to blow at or on--breath on" and combine it with the root word (Strongs 1722) that has in its meaning "in" in quotations. Read just the meaning of (Strongs 1720) which is actually the meaning of it in John 20:22.

And yes they are two different words in John 20:22 and 2 Timothy 3:16. Meaning two different things.

 

[elf3]

Wrong. the Apostles are God-breathed. John 20:22

Wrong and wrong. The Bible is authoritive, but without a divinely appointed interpreter you end with chaos (as in Protestantism) the Bible is the primary source for doctrine, but their is nothing in the bible that says it is the exclusive source, and nothing that says its text is the sole infallible rule of faith for the church. What White means is that HIS interpretation is infallible. "other rule of authority on the same level" is a misrepresentation.



Yea, he says that after losing so many debates on Tradition.


The Great White Lie. He fails to understand the relationship between the three, and has re-invented "authority".


A half truth. The enscripturated word had to be proven inspired by the Church. With 15 "gospels" and 30 "books of acts" floating around, there had to be an authoritive mechanism to sort out the mess. Apostolic Teaching, which contains both Tradition and the enscriptuated word, kept it in harmony. White thinks the Bible fell out of the sky.


Obvious in context? Paul had a copy of the 4 Gospels? If tradition is so inferior why does the bible always list it ahead of scripture???

That's ok. I do it too

White won't admit that most traditions predate the canon of the Bible.

It is impossible for the Church to invent doctrines against the Bible. Elaborate with reasonable grounds kor your assertions are meaningless. And this has nothing to do with the false doctrine of sola scriptura.
You didn't prove me wrong, I didn't reply because your "refutation" was so lame.

John 20
English Standard Version (ESV)[SUP]19 [/SUP]On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews,[SUP][c][/SUP] Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]23 [/SUP]If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

ἐνεφύσησεν, emphysáō (from 1722 /en, "in" and physaō, "breathe, blow") – properly, breathe (blow) in. 1720 (emphysáō) is only used in Jn 20:22 where Christ breathed into the apostles. By "breathing in Christ's inbreathing," 1720 (emphysáō) prefigures "the promise of the Father," fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Lk 24:49; Ac 1:4; Ac 2:1f).

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[TD="class: eng"]breathed[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐνεφύσησεν[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]enephusēsen[/TD]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1720[/TD]
[TD="class: eng2"]to breathe into or upon[/TD]
[TD="class: eng3"]from en and phusaó (to blow)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
2315 theópneustos (from 2316 /theós, "God" and 4154 /pnéō, "breathe out") – properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).

I concede that emphysáō and theopneustos are different words, but it doesn't change the fact that Scripture is not the only thing that is God-breaded, no matter which way you split the hair______________Face it. You don't like John 20 because it's too Catholic, or you have to invent some wacko theory that everything went kaputz after the death of the last Apostle.

Ridiculous. It has always been the teaching of the Church that Mary is a human. I challenge you to find one official Catholic document in a 2000 year period that says Mary is divine., or that she is to be worshipped. You find it on "Bible-Christian" hate sites that rots the mind. That's why rabid anti-Catholics cannot be reasoned with. I pray that God heals you of your bigotry.



[SUP]23 [/SUP]If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
You must have missed that, and it has nothing to do with sola scriptura. You can't defend it so you lash out at me with the same ole psychotic blubbering. I am not talking about confession, or Mary, or the long list of ant-Catholic misrepresentations, I am talking about sola scriptura. I don't respond to mindless cluster-bombing tactics.

Actually Strongs 1722 does not even have the words "breath" or "blow" in the meaning.

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually Strongs 1722 does not even have the words "breath" or "blow" in the meaning.

No doubt for sure......amazing how Greek words take new meaning when it fits the dogma being pushed for sure......!

 

[Kerry]

Did you know that the word baptism did not exist in te english language until 1611 as the translators came up with that word because no English word was available to describe it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Did you know that the word baptism did not exist in te english language until 1611 as the translators came up with that word because no English word was available to describe it.

Well the word meant to immerse and or dip...the King Jim translators transliterated the word with English letters and did great injury to the purpose of baptism for sure......

 

[dcontroversal]

Those who live a lifestyle of disobedience are not saved, and receive the consequences of their unbelief.

It's not complicated.

No doubt.....we all fail and or sin in some form or fashion....but a true child of God will not live in a continual lifestyle of sin, but will be convicted, maybe even whipped (chastisement) and get right and come back into the fold for sure.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

If you have any role in it, then something is of yourself.

You cannot be taken seriously.

No doubt for sure.......amazing how many will not trust into the completed work of Jesus while saying that they themselves must help God save themselves.....crazy for sure.....!

 

[newbirth]

No doubt for sure.......amazing how many will not trust into the completed work of Jesus while saying that they themselves must help God save themselves.....crazy for sure.....!

look at the folly of your statements....

Originally Posted by Elin

Those who live a lifestyle of disobedience are not saved, and receive the consequences of their unbelief.

It's not complicated.

so here you are saying one must be obedient else they will not be saved.....

Originally Posted by Elin

If you have any role in it, then something is of yourself.

You cannot be taken seriously.

here you say if you do anything (be obedient) it is self and you cannot be taken seriously...

and you are agreed with on both counts....

No doubt.....we all fail and or sin in some form or fashion....but a true child of God will not live in a continual lifestyle of sin, but will be convicted, maybe even whipped (chastisement) and get right and come back into the fold for sure.....!

No doubt for sure.......amazing how many will not trust into the completed work of Jesus while saying that they themselves must help God save themselves.....crazy for sure.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

look at the folly of your statements....

so here you are saying one must be obedient else they will not be saved.....

here you say if you do anything (be obedient) it is self and you cannot be taken seriously...

and you are agreed with on both counts....

Hey dude good luck with your works and water....I will take faith and the completed work of Jesus any day over my own abilities and a picture which has no power to save.....!

 

[posthuman]

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
(Ephesians 1:13-14)

what?
spiritual "new birth" in Christ

when?
when you heard the word of truth and believed

how?
received & sealed by the Holy Spirit

why?
to the praise of His glory

 

[newbirth]

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
(Ephesians 1:13-14)

what?
spiritual "new birth" in Christ

when?
when you heard the word of truth and believed

how?
received & sealed by the Holy Spirit

why?
to the praise of His glory

are you reading the epistle as an evangelical message? seems to me you are.... this is not a detailed breakdown of anything....those are words of encouragement and comfort to the believers at Ephesus

 

[dcontroversal]

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
(Ephesians 1:13-14)

what?
spiritual "new birth" in Christ

when?
when you heard the word of truth and believed

how?
received & sealed by the Holy Spirit

why?
to the praise of His glory

You can post solid foundational truth such as this and people who are blind to the truth and or just flat out rejecting truth in favor of a heretical doctrine will argue all the way to hell and then when they stand before Jesus will argue their right to enter the Kingdom due to their own abilities and works for sure!

 

[dcontroversal]

look at the folly of your statements....

so here you are saying one must be obedient else they will not be saved.....

here you say if you do anything (be obedient) it is self and you cannot be taken seriously...

and you are agreed with on both counts....

The statements are solid...What lacks is your ability to understand spiritual truth which takes being born again biblically as your trust has been in a false watered down, working for salvation which cannot be gained by either.....

THY FAITH HAS SAVED THEE and NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE........!

 

[newbirth]

You can post solid foundational truth such as this and people who are blind to the truth and or just flat out rejecting truth in favor of a heretical doctrine will argue all the way to hell and then when they stand before Jesus will argue their right to enter the Kingdom due to their own abilities and works for sure!

it is not my fault you guys have no understanding...you cannot take a synopsis and use it as a detailed instruction

 

[newbirth]

The statements are solid...What lacks is your ability to understand spiritual truth which takes being born again biblically as your trust has been in a false watered down, working for salvation which cannot be gained by either.....

THY FAITH HAS SAVED THEE and NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE........!

again no understanding whatever...I did not say the statements were not solid....look at them they are opposed to each other....
look at the folly of your statements....

Originally Posted by Elin

Those who live a lifestyle of disobedience are not saved, and receive the consequences of their unbelief.

It's not complicated.

so here you are saying one must be obedient else they will not be saved.....

Originally Posted by Elin

If you have any role in it, then something is of yourself.

You cannot be taken seriously.

here you say if you do anything (be obedient) it is self and you cannot be taken seriously...

and you are agreed with on both counts....

No doubt.....we all fail and or sin in some form or fashion....but a true child of God will not live in a continual lifestyle of sin, but will be convicted, maybe even whipped (chastisement) and get right and come back into the fold for sure.....!

No doubt for sure.......amazing how many will not trust into the completed work of Jesus while saying that they themselves must help God save themselves.....crazy for sure.....!

 

[Atwood]

Perhaps some need reminding of the following:

He who began a good work in you, will complete it.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Rom 4:16

For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies;
who is he who condemns?
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

 

[royalscot]

more babbling.....command, commandment same thing.....you must obey.....

obey and belief are two different things, so keep babbling, when you work out the difference.
john 3.16 obey what. believe in who. pity reading is your down fall. 70 ad .

 

[newbirth]

obey and belief are two different things, so keep babbling, when you work out the difference.
john 3.16 obey what. believe in who. pity reading is your down fall. 70 ad .

you were responding to my quote bro....with something about command and commandment and 30 AD...notice the red that is the original quote...you must obey what you believe....if you believe john 3:16...you have to believe everything Jesus said and do everything he says to do...if someone shout ...fire call 911... and you believe there is a fire you call 911.... if you don't believe there is a fire you go have a look see.....

Originally Posted by newbirth

can't you figure it out ?...where in the verse does it say saved by faith?.....it is by grace through faith .....The gospel was preached to us for the obedience of faith...

Romans 16:25-27King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

Perhaps some need reminding of the following:

He who began a good work in you, will complete it.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Rom 4:16

For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies;
who is he who condemns?
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Amen to these truths for sure.....be not removed form the simplicity that is in Jesus.....It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save then that BELIEVE.....quite simple.....

Believe into Jesus=BIBLICAL SALVATION for sure.........!

 

[dcontroversal]

obey and belief are two different things, so keep babbling, when you work out the difference.
john 3.16 obey what. believe in who. pity reading is your down fall. 70 ad .

Amen and I agree.....belief=salvation for sure.........!