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Abraham is the “ father of the faithful” (see Galatians 3:7)
If we are Christ’s we are Abraham’s children (Galatians 3:29)
that Abraham was called on to be willing to sacrifice his only (legitimate) son (Genesis 22:2)
For the promise, that he [Abraham] should be the heir of the world Romans 4:13
all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).
God promised that Abraham’s literal, human, flesh and blood descendants
should become “a great nation” (Genesis 12:2);
that He would “multiply thee exceedingly” (Genesis 17:2);
that“thou shalt be a father of many nations” (verse 4);
and that “I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee”(verse 6).
In Genesis 17:8, God promised “all the land of Canaan,” but in other scriptures He promised much more. In Genesis 15:18: “
Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt [the Nile] unto the great river,the river Euphrates.
Genesis 24:60 to Abraham’s daughter-in-law:
“Be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess
the gate of those which hate them.”
“By myself have I sworn, saith the [Eternal], for because thou
hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only
son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will
multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand
which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gates of
his enemies.
The promise now is unconditional.
This legacy guaranteed on the authority of God Almighty,
unconditionally, multitudinous population, untold
wealth and material resources, national greatness and world power!
The spiritual promises—the promises of the “one seed,”
Christ, and of salvation through Him—the Bible calls the
scepter.
But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob.
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
If we are Christ’s we are Abraham’s children (Galatians 3:29)
that Abraham was called on to be willing to sacrifice his only (legitimate) son (Genesis 22:2)
For the promise, that he [Abraham] should be the heir of the world Romans 4:13
all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).
God promised that Abraham’s literal, human, flesh and blood descendants
should become “a great nation” (Genesis 12:2);
that He would “multiply thee exceedingly” (Genesis 17:2);
that“thou shalt be a father of many nations” (verse 4);
and that “I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee”(verse 6).
In Genesis 17:8, God promised “all the land of Canaan,” but in other scriptures He promised much more. In Genesis 15:18: “
Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt [the Nile] unto the great river,the river Euphrates.
Genesis 24:60 to Abraham’s daughter-in-law:
“Be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess
the gate of those which hate them.”
“By myself have I sworn, saith the [Eternal], for because thou
hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only
son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will
multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand
which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gates of
his enemies.
The promise now is unconditional.
This legacy guaranteed on the authority of God Almighty,
unconditionally, multitudinous population, untold
wealth and material resources, national greatness and world power!
The spiritual promises—the promises of the “one seed,”
Christ, and of salvation through Him—the Bible calls the
scepter.
But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob.
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
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and tell me something I do not know.
Now. tell me why God promised abraham issac and jacob and their children land, Even though he promised ALL his children salvation, And as spiritual children, we are also promised salvation.
Why did he GIVE everyone who believes as abraham did whether they are related to him or not. Form the time he was given the promise till today, eternal life. But he only promised one line of his family a peace of property?
The property and spiritual promise was given at the same time, but one was directed to one group. while the other was directed to everyone.
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your half right.
Yes, only to those who repent.
But your wrong as to what the land is. God said he would remove his people from egypt and give them this land, And he gave it to them.
Yes they sought the spiritual land MORE. who would not??
You missing the point, God wanted to USE isreal to bless other nations, they got it wrong and though they were something special. Funny how the church made the same mistake a few thousand years ago, and we are still reaping from their mistake (including this subject and all the hate it causes)
Yes, only to those who repent.
But your wrong as to what the land is. God said he would remove his people from egypt and give them this land, And he gave it to them.
Yes they sought the spiritual land MORE. who would not??
You missing the point, God wanted to USE isreal to bless other nations, they got it wrong and though they were something special. Funny how the church made the same mistake a few thousand years ago, and we are still reaping from their mistake (including this subject and all the hate it causes)
Are you saying you are NOT blessed through Christ Jesus? (That's what it sounds like your saying) Isn't Jesus also a child of Israel? And all the fulfillment of the scriptures are in Him?
Replacement theology has done that,plainly because people have messed up what scripture plainly teaches. Scripture neither teaches dispensationalism or replacement theology.
Scripture plainly teaches that believing Gentiles are grafted in with believing Israel. Both are ONE OLIVE TREE. Not two not three but one tree. Gentiles are JOINT HEIRS not NEW REPLACEMENT HEIRS.
Replacement theology has done that,plainly because people have messed up what scripture plainly teaches. Scripture neither teaches dispensationalism or replacement theology.
Scripture plainly teaches that believing Gentiles are grafted in with believing Israel. Both are ONE OLIVE TREE. Not two not three but one tree. Gentiles are JOINT HEIRS not NEW REPLACEMENT HEIRS.
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Yes I am.. why?
Through you (abraham) Shall ALL THE NATIONS BE BLESSED.
I am part of that promise and blessing. What makes you think I believe otherwise?
Replacement theology is screwed up, and gives God a bad name, because it makes the words "in you shall all nations be blessed" mean the same as "I also give you and your descendants after you all the land of Canaan, as an eternal blessing an inheritance.
it is screwed up, because the land, and blessing gifts are two different things given to two different people. The gift of eternal blessing was always given to all. The church did not replace Israel in that blessing and Gift, Nineveh received it, even though Jonah had to spend three days in a fish because he did not like Nineveh. It is screwed up because it states God kept that promise, which NO ONE IS DENYING, and (he has been doing it since the promise is made, it is NOTHING NEW, It is the lie Israel bought into that it was only for them.) And it is screwed up, because it says Gods other promise =, even though God said it was forever, is now null and void.. because the church has replaced Israel in that promise, hence the name, replacement theology
They always were.. Israel is the natural branch, Gentiles (like nineveh) are the unnatural branch, But they have always been grafted in.
That has NOTHING TO DO with a promise god made with ISRAEL ONLY!
Through you (abraham) Shall ALL THE NATIONS BE BLESSED.
I am part of that promise and blessing. What makes you think I believe otherwise?
Replacement theology is screwed up, and gives God a bad name, because it makes the words "in you shall all nations be blessed" mean the same as "I also give you and your descendants after you all the land of Canaan, as an eternal blessing an inheritance.
it is screwed up, because the land, and blessing gifts are two different things given to two different people. The gift of eternal blessing was always given to all. The church did not replace Israel in that blessing and Gift, Nineveh received it, even though Jonah had to spend three days in a fish because he did not like Nineveh. It is screwed up because it states God kept that promise, which NO ONE IS DENYING, and (he has been doing it since the promise is made, it is NOTHING NEW, It is the lie Israel bought into that it was only for them.) And it is screwed up, because it says Gods other promise =, even though God said it was forever, is now null and void.. because the church has replaced Israel in that promise, hence the name, replacement theology
They always were.. Israel is the natural branch, Gentiles (like nineveh) are the unnatural branch, But they have always been grafted in.
That has NOTHING TO DO with a promise god made with ISRAEL ONLY!
1Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2And I will make of thee a great nation(birthright promises), and I will bless thee(christ one seed), and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
I see God giving both promises from the beggining.
God wanted a people of his own, called out of evil world
God promise he would be there God, if they obeyed what he said.
the promises where all physical, long life , rich land , protection from enemy, riches and great nation.
he promised to King David he would never take the kingdom away
he also used them to undo what sons of man did and cainites.
now under the new covenent everything is switched,
God promises if we obey
we have better promises in the new jerusalem, and a mediater, and access to Holy spirit.
these promises are spiritual now, not like physical promises in ot
blessing of one seed in Christ,
but God still promised physical land to Abrams physical seed,
that God will never go back on his promises.
2And I will make of thee a great nation(birthright promises), and I will bless thee(christ one seed), and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
I see God giving both promises from the beggining.
God wanted a people of his own, called out of evil world
God promise he would be there God, if they obeyed what he said.
the promises where all physical, long life , rich land , protection from enemy, riches and great nation.
he promised to King David he would never take the kingdom away
he also used them to undo what sons of man did and cainites.
now under the new covenent everything is switched,
God promises if we obey
we have better promises in the new jerusalem, and a mediater, and access to Holy spirit.
these promises are spiritual now, not like physical promises in ot
blessing of one seed in Christ,
but God still promised physical land to Abrams physical seed,
that God will never go back on his promises.
Josh 23:14 "And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof."
Josh 23:15 "until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.>past tense, already happened"
The land promise has ALREADY been fulfilled, came to pass therefore is not going to happen in the future.
Josh 23:15 "until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.>past tense, already happened"
The land promise has ALREADY been fulfilled, came to pass therefore is not going to happen in the future.
The context of that passage is the Gospel...not land promises to the nation of Israel.
1 Corinthians 2:2, 6-8
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
If born again Christians thought only in 'spiritual'terms, Paul wouldn't have said such things as...
1 Timothy 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Corinthians 2:2, 6-8
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
If born again Christians thought only in 'spiritual'terms, Paul wouldn't have said such things as...
1 Timothy 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from
the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you,
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations:
ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age,
and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and
from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been
kept secret from the foundation of the world.
the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you,
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations:
ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age,
and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and
from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been
kept secret from the foundation of the world.
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
This is a usage of the figure of speech - heterosis or Prophetic Perfect in which the past tense is used instead of the future to emphasize the certainty of an event. [E.W. Bullinger, Figures of Speech] used when something was absolutely going to happen in the future is spoken of as having already occurred.
Webster's - heterosis - a figure of speech by which one form of a noun, verb, or pronoun, is used for another.
List of Figures of Speech - changing minds.org - heterosis - one form of verb is exchanged for another form.
Young's Analytical Concordance - "Hints and Helps" #60 - The past is frequently used to express the certainty of a future action.
One example: Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: [the rest of the verse uses future tense] - the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called . . . . But the first part speaks as if the child is already born - which we know happened in the future.
Another: Isaiah 53:2-5 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our grief and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
Jude v14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints. [ASV; Darby has come; NASB, RSV] The Lord has not yet come, but his coming is so certain that the prophecy is written in the past tense.
So it is with Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son - Spoken of in the past tense - as having already taken place - because it is a certainty that it will take place.
Webster's - heterosis - a figure of speech by which one form of a noun, verb, or pronoun, is used for another.
List of Figures of Speech - changing minds.org - heterosis - one form of verb is exchanged for another form.
Young's Analytical Concordance - "Hints and Helps" #60 - The past is frequently used to express the certainty of a future action.
One example: Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: [the rest of the verse uses future tense] - the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called . . . . But the first part speaks as if the child is already born - which we know happened in the future.
Another: Isaiah 53:2-5 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our grief and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
Jude v14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints. [ASV; Darby has come; NASB, RSV] The Lord has not yet come, but his coming is so certain that the prophecy is written in the past tense.
So it is with Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son - Spoken of in the past tense - as having already taken place - because it is a certainty that it will take place.
Rom 11 say fleshly Israel was cast off so if fleshly Israel is to be saved it must be saved through obedience to the gospel of Christ or be lost. In Rom 10:1-3 Paul says fleshly Israel was lost for they have not submitted/obeyed the righteousness of God. So if one does not obey the righteousness of God in this life, they will be lost. Paul spoke of no future time after Christ returns where the Jews could then be saved.
Given (a) the context and (b) the explicit statements in the passage, I think Eze 37 is about the restoration of Israel from exile - specifically the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles.
Eze37:15 The word of the Lord came to me: 37:16 “As for you, son of man, take one branch, and write on it, ‘For Judah, and for the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another branch and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the branch of Ephraim and all the house of Israel associated with him.’
The valley of dry bones is symbolic of the death of the national Israel - both Northern and Southern kingdoms - at the hands of the Assyrians and Babylonians, and their eventual restoration which would be comparable to nothing less than a resurrection from the dead.
Eze37:15 The word of the Lord came to me: 37:16 “As for you, son of man, take one branch, and write on it, ‘For Judah, and for the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another branch and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the branch of Ephraim and all the house of Israel associated with him.’
The valley of dry bones is symbolic of the death of the national Israel - both Northern and Southern kingdoms - at the hands of the Assyrians and Babylonians, and their eventual restoration which would be comparable to nothing less than a resurrection from the dead.
Jn 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Jesus' kingdom, the church is not an earthly, physical, economic type kingdom but a spiritual one. The church therefore does not need land to dwell in.
I see this passage, as other similar OT passages, as prophecies of the coming of the Messiah and his kingdom the church and not a future restoration of land to Israel where Christ will sit on an earthly throne ruling over it.
When the context speaks of "one nation" and "one king" (Ez 37:22) refers to all nations/races being brought together within the church with Christ being the "one king" over that nation/church. Isa 2:2 prophetically speaks of the Lord's house (Christ's NT church) shall be established and "all nations shall flow unto it". All nations will flow unto the Lord's house forming the one church with Christ as the "one king shall be king to them all". The Jews entered the church at Acts 2 and non-Jews in Acts 10 with Christ being the one king over this one nation.
Eze 37:21 already fulfilled when God chose Israel to be His people and lead them from Egypt to the promise land. With verses 22-23 being future prophesy of Christ coming to set up his one kingdom.nation over which He is the one king.
I see the restoration as taking place in Jesus, culminating in his death, resurrection and ascension. I don't see this as some far off, 2500+ year later fulfillment. But I do see it as a real expectation for the restoration of Israel. Clearly the Babylonian Jews did return from Babylon - and the northern Israelites for the most part probably never left (though the leadership was undoubtedly removed by the Assyrians). The problem they seemed to have experienced after the physical return from exile was that pagan nations were still in charge. The temple had not been returned to it's former glory. There was a real sense that though Israel was living in the land, the return from exile had not been realized as promised in places like Eze 37. I think this real return from exile, and the fulfillment of the expectations, promises, and hopes of Israel were actually realized in Jesus.
The whole passage reads to me like Ezekiel is expecting a new exodus, this time from Babylonian captivity (which is where Ezekiel is writing from).
1:1 In the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was among the exiles[SUP] [/SUP]at the Kebar River,[SUP] [/SUP]the heavens opened[SUP] [/SUP]and I saw a divine vision.[SUP] [/SUP] 1:2 On the fifth day of the month – it was the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s exile – 1:3 the word of the Lord came to the priest Ezekiel[SUP]
[/SUP] Vss 22-23 are talking about the same things as vs 21. There is really no need to separate contexts from verse to verse. Ezekiel is expecting a return from the Babylonian captivity, a restoration of Israel, a restoration of the house of David, and a time when Israel would obey God, rather than disobey as Ezekiel previously recorded earlier in the book. I think such expectations are realized in Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension.
The whole passage reads to me like Ezekiel is expecting a new exodus, this time from Babylonian captivity (which is where Ezekiel is writing from).
1:1 In the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was among the exiles[SUP] [/SUP]at the Kebar River,[SUP] [/SUP]the heavens opened[SUP] [/SUP]and I saw a divine vision.[SUP] [/SUP] 1:2 On the fifth day of the month – it was the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s exile – 1:3 the word of the Lord came to the priest Ezekiel[SUP]
[/SUP] Vss 22-23 are talking about the same things as vs 21. There is really no need to separate contexts from verse to verse. Ezekiel is expecting a return from the Babylonian captivity, a restoration of Israel, a restoration of the house of David, and a time when Israel would obey God, rather than disobey as Ezekiel previously recorded earlier in the book. I think such expectations are realized in Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension.