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Kerry

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Re: Watch and learn, sis...

Fact is, the Triune baptism formula stands un-refuted.

Its not as if you can bring forth any rules of Greek grammar which would thwart what I already posited....nor do you even make any attempt.

Further, Each Person of the Trinity has the same name, as established even back in the OT - thus, it is not a requirement to list out Father, Son & Spirit each time.

Triune baptism explain?
 
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God trusted the Jews with his Scriptures.
Romans 3:1-2
Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

If God trusts the Jews with the Scriptures, who are you to complain?

If you were even remotely familiar with the Tanak, then you would have seen the literally THOUSANDS of verses, by the divinely inspired prophets, stating how the Jews improperly worshipped God.

The OT is one gigantic lesson in how NOT to worship God....with only the remnant allowed to move forward while the rest were utterly destroyed.

You need to be asking yourself what method of worship was employed by the FEW that were allowed to advance into the future....how was it different than the majority.

Hint: is was Triune worship....
 
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what does the Word was God mean ?
In the beginning was the word. Prior to the KJV the "word" was not capitalized because the "word" was believed to be the spoken word of God, as in "Let there be light"
The "word" was also indicated by the impersonal "it" rather than "him"

1:1
In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.

1:2The same was in the beginning with god.

1:3
All things were made by it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was

W Tyndale Bible

THE NEW TESTAMENT (Tyndale, Rogers, Coverdale, Cranmer) : John


You can see that "word" is not capitalized and it says "it" rather than "he" when referring to the "word."
Tyndale believed that the "word" referred to the utterance of God, [Let there be Light ...for example] rather than a person. The "word" metaphorically became flesh in the person of Jesus who became God's spokesman.
 
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What part of Jesus died on the cross?

The God part didn't die because God is immortal.
1Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus' soul didn't die because humans have immortal souls according to traditional Christianity.

Part of Jesus was in paradise with the thief on the adjacent cross so this part wasn't dead in the tomb.
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

His Spirit wasn't dead because it went and preached to spirits in prison. [I didn't know that God ran a prison]
1Peter 3:18-19
18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

So what died?
Jesus was so busy after the cross, entertaining the thief in paradise, preaching in prison, that it hardly seems like he was dead at all.


What did Jesus sacrifice?

His flesh died....just as you posted...but overlooked...
 
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Re: Flimsy research...

Originally Posted by EbalT5
I can understand why Jesus messed up on the timing of his coming. He didn’t know.
Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Jesus just didn’t know the timeline. Good evidence that he is not God because God knows everything.





I agree that it is pathetic that Trinitarians edited Scripture to suit their agenda.
Fortunately we have another witness that says Jesus did not know the timeline. Only the True God knows.
Mark 12:32
But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

You are sounding like a follower of islam.....its OK to quote scripture that you think is corrupt, when it suits your position...and then when the going gets tough, you say that it cannot be trusted.

That's pretty sweet.

Thankfully, the Koran comes to the rescue and confirms that The Son knows the hour...simply more extra-Biblical confirmation to the correct rendering...
 
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Kerry

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Bowman, I have spoke with you before and you have defended Islam and now you are speaking against it. Double minded perhaps.
 
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Here is some Scripture showing the nature of God.

I am YHWH, your GOD, ....
You shall have no other gods besides Me
Exodus 20:2,3
To you it was shown that you might know
that YHWH, He is GOD, there is no other besides Him
Deut 4:35
Know therefore today, and take it to your heart,
that YHWH, He is GOD in heaven above,
and on the earth below; there is no other.
Deut 4:39
See now that I, I am HE,
and there is no god besides Me
It is I who put to death, and give life
I have wounded , and it is I who heal
and there is no one who can deliver from My hand
Deut 32:39
There is no one holy like YHWH
Indeed there is no one besides Thee
Nor is there any rock like our GOD
1sam2:2
so that all the peoples of the earth may know
that YHWH is GOD,there is no one else
1 kings 8:60
and now, O YHWH our GOD,I pray,
deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms
of the earth may know that Thou alone,
O YHWH are GOD
2kings 19:19
To whom then will you liken Me
that I should be his equal?
says the Holy One
Isaiah 40:25
I am YHWH, that is my name
I will not give my glory to another
Nor my praise to idols
Isaiah 42:8
You are My witnesses declares YHWH
and my servant whom I have chosen
In order that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no GOD formed
And there will be none after Me
I, even I,am YHWH,
And there is no savior besides me
Isaiah 43:10,11
Thus says YHWH the KING of Israel
and his redeemer YHWH of hosts
I am the first and I am the last
and there is no GOD besides Me
Isaiah 44:6
I am YHWH and there is no other
Besides me there is no GOD
I will arm you though you have not known Me
that men may know from the rising to the setting
of the sun
that there is no one besides Me
I am YHWH and there is no other
Isaiah 45:5,6
Declare and set forth your case
Indeed let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, YHWH?
and there is no other GOD besides Me
A rightous GOD and a savior
There is none except Me
Turn to ME, and be saved
all the ends of the earth
For I am GOD and there is no other
Isaiah 45:21,22
To whom would you liken Me
and make Me equal and compare Me
That we should be alike?
Isaiah 46:5
Yet I have been YHWH your GOD
since the land of Egypt
and you were not to know any GOD except Me
For there is no savior besides Me
Hosea 14:4
Do we not all have one father?
Has not one GOD created us?
Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother
so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Malachi 2:10
DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST IN PRINCES,
NOR IN THE SON OF MAN,
IN WHOM THERE IS NO SALVATION
Psalm 146:3
Please read these scriptures in context in your Bible
If this be truth, there can not be any other GOD
SAVIOR, CREATOR, or ROCK but YHWH
THE ONE and ONLY ONE ALONE, there is
NO OTHER besides HIM
In the OT...

God The Father was known as:


·Yahweh
·Elohim ‘God’
·El Elyon ‘God Most High’(Gen 14.18, 19, 20, 22)
·El Olam ‘God Eternal’ (Gen 21.33)
·Adonai Yahweh ‘Lord Yahweh’ (Gen 15.2, 8)




God The Son was known as:


·El Shaddai ‘God of Mighty Ones’ (Gen 17.1, 28.3, 35.11, 43.14, 48.3, 49.25; Exo 6.3)
·Elohim ‘God’ (Gen 16.13, 22.12, 31.13; Exo 3.6)
·The Malek Elohim ‘The Messenger of God’ (Gen 21.17; 31.11)
·The Malek Yahweh ‘ The Messenger of Yahweh’ (Gen 16.7, 9 - 11; 22.11, 15)
·Debar Yahweh ‘The Word of Yahweh’ (Gen 15.1, 4; Exo 9.20, 21)




God The Spirit was known as:


·The Ruach of Elohim ‘Spirit of God’ (Gen 1.2)
·The Ruach of Yahweh ‘Spirit of Yahweh’ (Gen 6.3)


 
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Bowman, I have spoke with you before and you have defended Islam and now you are speaking against it. Double minded perhaps.
I never defended islam.

I have referenced the Koran.

Do you understand the difference?

Apparently not...
 
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yet we know the Son who is also the alpha and omega the 1st and the last like the Father died for mankind not the Father nor the Holy Ghost died interesting is that ;)
Would you think it possible for Jesus to use God's name or Titles?
A knowledge of Bible names reveal that individuals used "god names" without being God.
It was a common practice.

Philippians 2:8-11 (New American Standard Bible)

8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

""""God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,"""

When Jesus was faithful in carrying out God's plan by being a sacrifice God bestowed his own name and titles on Jesus as a reward for his service.
 
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Kerry

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I never defended islam.

I have referenced the Koran.

Do you understand the difference?

Apparently not...
No my friend we have talked about the Quran and you supported Islam, maybe now you have changed. But I did't forget.
 
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Re: Watch and learn, sis...

Fact is, the Triune baptism formula stands un-refuted.

Its not as if you can bring forth any rules of Greek grammar which would thwart what I already posited....nor do you even make any attempt.

Further, Each Person of the Trinity has the same name, as established even back in the OT - thus, it is not a requirement to list out Father, Son & Spirit each time.

A meaningless assertion without any evidence.
 
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psalm6819

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good morning all, I pose my question to EbalT5,

when Jesus said I and the Father are One was He lying? ignorant? misinformed? I find it strange that you trust Esebius more than the Bible....
 
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Kerry

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good morning all, I pose my question to EbalT5,

when Jesus said I and the Father are One was He lying? ignorant? misinformed? I find it strange that you trust Esebius more than the Bible....
I meant who did Jesus pray to, Himself? people just listen to some dude and Don't read.
 
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I am YHWH and there is no other
Besides me there is no GOD
I will arm you though you have not known Me
that men may know from the rising to the setting
of the sun
that there is no one besides Me
I am YHWH and there is no other
Isaiah 45:5,6

What's this...?!

They don't know Yahweh?

You just finished stating that they did know Him....

Guess you were wrong....again...
 
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If you were even remotely familiar with the Tanak, then you would have seen the literally THOUSANDS of verses, by the divinely inspired prophets, stating how the Jews improperly worshipped God.

The OT is one gigantic lesson in how NOT to worship God....with only the remnant allowed to move forward while the rest were utterly destroyed.

You need to be asking yourself what method of worship was employed by the FEW that were allowed to advance into the future....how was it different than the majority.

Hint: is was Triune worship....

Paul on the Trinity
Paul makes an interesting statement at Romans 1:19,20
because that which is known about God is evident among them; for since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made….
If what Paul writes here is true this creates a problem for those who believe in the trinity..
How come there is no mention of the trinity in any writings until the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] century if God’s nature was known since the creation of the world?
If God’s nature was known since the creation of the world, how come God’s chosen people, the Jews didn’t seem to know anything about a trinity?
How come none of the prophets in the Hebrew scriptures ever warns Israel about the trinity in any of the prophetic writings? The prophets seem to cover every other topic but they never say …. Stop believing in just ONE GOD and believe in the trinity.
 
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No my friend we have talked about the Quran and you supported Islam, maybe now you have changed. But I did't forget.
No.

The issue is with you....you are unable separate the Koran from islam.

However, feel free to link to where I supposedly 'support islam'...oh, and Kerry, good luck on that one...
 
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ELECT

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In the beginning was the word. Prior to the KJV the "word" was not capitalized because the "word" was believed to be the spoken word of God, as in "Let there be light"
The "word" was also indicated by the impersonal "it" rather than "him"

1:1
In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.

1:2The same was in the beginning with god.

1:3
All things were made by it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was

W Tyndale Bible

THE NEW TESTAMENT (Tyndale, Rogers, Coverdale, Cranmer) : John


You can see that "word" is not capitalized and it says "it" rather than "he" when referring to the "word."
Tyndale believed that the "word" referred to the utterance of God, [Let there be Light ...for example] rather than a person. The "word" metaphorically became flesh in the person of Jesus who became God's spokesman.
you calling Jesus a it :confused:
 
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ELECT

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Paul on the Trinity
Paul makes an interesting statement at Romans 1:19,20
because that which is known about God is evident among them; for since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made….
If what Paul writes here is true this creates a problem for those who believe in the trinity..
How come there is no mention of the trinity in any writings until the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] century if God’s nature was known since the creation of the world?
If God’s nature was known since the creation of the world, how come God’s chosen people, the Jews didn’t seem to know anything about a trinity?
How come none of the prophets in the Hebrew scriptures ever warns Israel about the trinity in any of the prophetic writings? The prophets seem to cover every other topic but they never say …. Stop believing in just ONE GOD and believe in the trinity.
[h=1]1 Corinthians 1:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;